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This one would fall in the same category as the previous one, as attack speed only and supporting feat, that being Claudio being able to fire an arrow of light, here can be found reasons for it being light, same deal as with Bryan on the rating as well, also worth pointing, in Tekken 7 Heihachi has to dodge his beams he fires in the the story mode, now it is dependent on the player if they have the reflexes to do it, but the fight starts with Claudio firing that and the old man goes unscratched from the fight and wins it easily, so the possibility of him dodging it isnt far fetched, as Yoshimitsu instance shows he is capable with Bryan and the feats they scale to are pretty done by them most of the time without effort
There is more to add for the light stuff, according to the page for this it says: "Additionally, if a series is very close to lightspeed or exceeds it in several other calcs and scenarios (such as what is seen in DBZ), there is less of a burden of proof to show that the laser is a true laser." The verse has as seen above agreed too calcs at sub-rel+ and rel, former being done by a near bottom of the verse character out of which almost all upscale from, meanwhile the latter scales from upper half of tier list of the verse and they have those light stuff on top of that, god tiers are already above SoL as told above. Plus they have reasonable evidence for the idea of being light too for arguing about it, likely/possibly SoL attack speed is a safe option in any case, we have verses which are given such ratings for a little less or when they arent physically close to this as in here with a nifty upscaling chain
Claudio calls it being the light of Sirius and uses his power, which is from the star from the sky which glows, being displayed on the arm blue colored flames, blue is literally the color that the brightest stars have actually too, so its coming from real light source, Starburst by definition also says there rays from a source of light, so it is pointed out as being legitimate rather then being energy or something else. EDIT: Also the earlier point from not too long ago as well, there is already one beam of light instance accepted and it would be impossible this one not being one
That is best. I agree with the sentiment that one calc member disagreeing isn't enough to come to a consensus, and is bad for our reputation. We should preferably get as much input as possible in cases like this.Well, calc group members are the ones who are specialised regarding our calculation standards and rules, including lightspeed feats, but we can wait to see if more of them show up and evaluate this as well if you prefer.
Nitpicking, it's still just constructed of light, as such its movement speed cannot be proven to be related to light speed. Whether it's being thrown or magically projected forward doesn't matter.Also the argument of throwing is unfounded, he doesnt throw it, he forms it around the arm and holds it there before letting go of it,
I never said it was slow. It probably just scales to whatever the other guy's speed is.let alone the idea of him attacking a top tier with light at slow ass speed is absurd with the verse ammount of feats near these ranges of speeds they got
So you tell me the character holding it still and letting it go its the same as throwing a ball for example in premise, has no reason to be slower then intendedNitpicking, it's still just constructed of light, as such its movement speed cannot be proven to be related to light speed. Whether it's being thrown or magically projected forward doesn't matter.
There is no basis to do that...thats like saying a rock i flick scales to the character i try to hit when the character can dodge thatI never said it was slow. It probably just scales to whatever the other guy's speed is.
Speed in gameplay doesnt affect the speed in lore, unless you wanna tell me a gun cant be super sonic at all just just for the sake of the player, in canon it would as fast as they are, many game verses o seen here take feats of the player react to an attack fired at them and get calcs or ratings from themAs a side note, Heihachi dodging the beams is pretty sus in itself considering:
- Fighting game projectiles have to have their speed balanced not to be overpowered, so scaling characters to their speed in gameplay is iffy
Has no reason to aim dodge when a character below him has a light dodging feat and cant hold a candle to him and let alone its near point blank too the dustance between them, the character who attacks him isnt taking that much of his sweet time for it either
- The attack has a very obvious telegraphed animation and could easily be aimdodged. I bet that's the intended way to deal with it too, even.
I am contesting the fact that it's "intended". It's made of light, this is absolutely no evidence that it moves at light speed.So you tell me the character holding it still and letting it go its the same as throwing a ball for example in premise, has no reason to be slower then intended
Alright, if he's slower he's slower. Not an argument.There is no basis to do that...thats like saying a rock i flick scales to the character i try to hit when the character can dodge that
Yeah, and if it's made to be possible to dodge in gameplay that doesn't necessarily mean it would be in lore.Speed in gameplay doesnt affect the speed in lore, unless you wanna tell me a gun cant be super sonic at all just just for the sake of the player, in canon it would as fast as they are
Fighting games are a special case, I've already explained.many game verses o seen here take feats of the player react to an attack fired at them and get calcs or ratings from them
"He has no reason to aim dodge" lol is he just standing still for the two seconds of the windup only to dodge after it's fired as a flex? Actually prove he's reacting to the beam itself and not the character preparing to fire it. If he's Relativistic for other reasons he's relativistic for other reasons, that is irrelevant to this feat. You're literally saying "This feat is relativistic because the character is relativistic anyway"Has no reason to aim dodge when a character below him has a light dodging feat and cant hold a candle to him and let alone its near point blank too the dustance between them, the character who attacks him isnt taking that much of his sweet time for it either
Well it ain't cause it's not a feat. If the rating's fine without it then I don't mind.Also i said in the reasons its a possibility anndgood support feat at best
Based on what? Its stupid to claim the speed it goes at is low instead and have the character attack with that to someone with high speed feats with something so slow, its illogical afI am contesting the fact that it's "intended". It's made of light, this is absolutely no evidence that it moves at light speed.
The speed of the character whom fires it has no relevance to his attack speed which has reasons to be faster then himAlright, if he's slower he's slower. Not an argument.
Says you? Based on what? Also its a lore fight, not mere gameplay which you can set up, you as the player dont even get that character move where he fires light available when you play himYeah, and if it's made to be possible to dodge in gameplay that doesn't necessarily mean it would be in lore.
This is literally double standards at itss finest and not the first time i see it between verses, not an argumentFighting games are a special case, I've already explained.
He doesnt take those below him seriously and its cocky as well, so why would aim dodge? you imply he isnt capable to do it for no reasons at all and it doesnt take 2 seconds either, drop the head canon"He has no reason to aim dodge" lol is he just standing still for the two seconds of the windup only to dodge after it's fired as a flex?
He never reacted to the characters themselves instead of the projectiles fired at him ever, especially not to those in his league, why now would he at someone he is nowhere near his league, you make no sense at allActually prove he's reacting to the beam itself and not the character preparing to fire it.
I never said its rela, i gave no rating on that feat, instead i said the one who fires it should get likely/possibly sol in attack speed and thats it, for the other character is just a supportIf he's Relativistic for other reasons he's relativistic for other reasons, that is irrelevant to this feat. You're literally saying "This feat is relativistic because the character is relativistic anyway"
Baseless claims as this with nitpicking is meaning nothing, if you cant give a response without these then i dont need them to begin withWell it ain't cause it's not a feat. If the rating's fine without it then I don't mind.
The calcs with values, not standards themselves for evidence, also since when a calcer word is suppose to hold more weight then a admin/mod word, let alone 3, you act like they dont know the standards at all to give their opinionWell, calc group members are the ones who are specialised regarding our calculation standards and rules, including lightspeed feats, but we can wait to see if more of them show up and evaluate this as well if you prefer.
Calc members are indeed meant to know standards well considering they're key to the validity of calculations. There is no such requirement for other staff positions as far as I know.The calcs with values, not standards themselves for evidence, also since when a calcer word is suppose to hold more weight then a admin/mod word, let alone 3, you act like they dont know the standards at all to give their opinion
Nice head canon as always, all you did since you came here was just do these sort of thingsLiterally your entire arguments here are based on "he's attacking someone with reactions in the light-speed range, so his attacks must be in that speed range as well".
You dont comprehend anything in the slightest and its not scaling, failing to understand and it showsThat's scaling. It's not a feat at all, and it's not an argument at all either. For all I care this guy can be FTL+, but that's through scaling, which has no impact on his own attacks being stated to be SoL.
You clearly dont have any idea how verses that are games work and it shows, let alone your double standards shit from earlierI'll drop the game/lore thing for now although I still find it spotty (as are most of your other arguments, I just don't find it important to attack them right now)
You have no room to talk when you gave illogical and baseless claims so farAnd focus on the real issue. I would however recommend you not to take my examples literally in an effort to nitpick them, it's a lazy debating technique to waste my time, which I won't entertain.
Which goes against occam razor, why would you attack with light if it is at a speed below SoL, its counter productive, by your logic i can argue lightning bolts arent moving at that speed if a character fired one or anything else on that sortI am arguing that they are light constructs moving at non-specific speed
Light moves at light speed, you arguing it doesnt go that fast has literally no basis, the point of light standards are to prove something is legit light and if someone reacts to such a thing or have a move like that get a rating out of itand that all the claims of them being light apply to them being made of light, not moving at light speed.
Didnt use the scaling argument once, you on the other hand tried to have its speed it goes scaled to the character who dodges it, this is called hypocrisy at this point and just cuz you are brick walled =/= i failed to debunk, learn to be open minded, not like you will do itYou have failed to not just debunk, but even address this argument, instead trying to circumvent it with non-sequitur such as the scaling argument.
Doesnt mean your word now holds more importance then a staff one, let alone 3 of them, a calc member job is to make sure calcs are good, if this whole matter was about a calc on dodging the light, thats a different story, the matter instead is a character getting a possibility at sol attack speed mainly, rest is small stuff overall which is supporting onlyCalc members are indeed meant to know standards well considering they're key to the validity of calculations. There is no such requirement for other staff positions as far as I know.
Still not presenting any arguments. Feel free to throw around any accusation you want, they've got absolutely no weight. Won't reply to the showed of ad hominem you threw around in the rest of the post.Didnt use the scaling argument once, you on the other hand tried to have its speed it goes scaled to the character who dodges it, this is called hypocrisy at this point and just cuz you are brick walled =/= i failed to debunk, learn to be open minded, not like you will do it
Different situation, he's attacking with an object made of light, not shooting a light beam, occam's razor has no business being mentioned here. If a character made a weapon out of lightning like this guy is making a weapon out of light, then yeah, you could and should argue they aren't moving at lightning speed.Which goes against occam razor, why would you attack with light if it is at a speed below SoL, its counter productive, by your logic i can argue lightning bolts arent moving at that speed if a character fired one or anything else on that sort
Mate, I am staff. And I'm not saying they're clueless on the standards, I'm saying I sure as hell am not. If they disagree with what I'm saying they're free to explain why.Doesnt mean your word now holds more importance then a staff one, let alone 3 of them, a calc member job is to make sure calcs are good, if this whole matter was about a calc on dodging the light, thats a different story, the matter instead is a character getting a possibility at sol attack speed mainly, rest is small stuff overall which is supporting only
This whole idea of a staff being clueless of their site standards is ridiculous and have a calcer word be the more reliable one
I have explained the basis already, light constructs =/= moving at the speed of light.Light moves at light speed, you arguing it doesnt go that fast has literally no basis, the point of light standards are to prove something is legit light and if someone reacts to such a thing or have a move like that get a rating out of it
Your opinion at this point means zero with the way you present yourselfStill not presenting any arguments. Feel free to throw around any accusation you want, they've got absolutely no weight. Won't reply to the showed of ad hominem you threw around in the rest of the post.
One reason you fail here, he isnt attacking with any object at all, he makes a beam of light which he lets go off to fire on the opponent, this shows even more you dont know what you talkingDifferent situation, he's attacking with an object made of light, not shooting a light beam, occam's razor has no business being mentioned here.
He makes no weapon.....open your eyes or read what you are told and not how it works anywayIf a character made a weapon out of lightning like this guy is making a weapon out of light, then yeah, you could and should argue they aren't moving at lightning speed.
Staff is mod or admin, since when a calcer has authority of either of thoseMate, I am staff. And I'm not saying they're clueless on the standards, I'm saying I sure as hell am not. If they disagree with what I'm saying they're free to explain why.
You failed to understand this isnt a construct, weapon or object, from which you base your claim onI have explained the basis already, light constructs =/= moving at the speed of light.
Yet no thread that i have seen from my experience had any calcer being called to give input ever and seen just staff members give their input on CRT to apply them afterCalc group members are supposed to know the standards for feats that can be calculated well. It is a part of their job description. It would be very unwise of me to just ignore their expertise.
No, all signs point to it being one, and you still haven't made any arguments. I'm not willing to keep up this farce, either make an actual argument as to why it isn't, or give up this feat.You failed to understand this isnt a construct, weapon or object, from which you base your claim on
Literally nothing indicates this, if you cant comprehend then simply dont reply again, you made no counter arguments here at allNo, all signs point to it being one, and you still haven't made any arguments. I'm not willing to keep up this farce, either make an actual argument as to why it isn't, or give up this feat.
The standards are to prove its light or not with some criterias there as examples, which literally anyone can know them, putting calc members in higher regards of that matter over a staff makes no sense, if the matter was a calculation involving that, thats another story, the other isnt something in the same league as previous matter mentionedAlso, he simply seems to be citing our actual explicit rules for lightspeed feats.
Calc Group members literally exist to evaluate calculations... They are staff, except their focused on calculations, which fuels like 80% of this god darn wiki. So, yeah.The standards are to prove its light or not with some criterias there as examples, which literally anyone can know them, putting calc members in higher regards of that matter over a staff makes no sense, if the matter was a calculation involving that, thats another story, the other isnt something in the same league as previous matter mentioned
And once again taking his word only to refute 3 staff not including from members votes, is again of bad taste, its asking for negative reputation let alone, many threads seen got accepted with 3 staff without further input after, this is just prolonging for no reason