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@Ant, we have proof in that Naruto has SPSM. What more proof is there needed? That's what im asking.
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Teen Naruto/Adult Naruto's Ashura Avatar
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And that's the thing, the only thing that puts Ashura mode above Sasuke is the amount of Nature Energy Naruto can absorb.Burning Full Fingers said:
That's it, the form itself is simply merging his chakra into one which doesn't require a specific form. It just chakra manipulation.
Saying Naruto potentially can't achieve that form is denial of his skill ana abilities. There is no special circumstances needed to be met, and what's more, there is nothing to suggest he can't. "He hasn't used it since the war" isn't a valid argument. Naruto hasn't voluntarily used V2 Jinchuriki cloaks, but it doesn't mean he can't. Naruto hasn't used windstyle to cut something like the waterfall in immortals Arc, doesn't mean he can't, etc.
The notion that he can't is simply nased on that he hasn't. Not using Something =/= Not being able to use something if its not stated, hinted or implied you can't. Thus it's a badeless argument keeping Naruto down a tier.
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It might be strange to give Adult Naruto an upgrade for a form that he might very well not use again.
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@Burning
Reedited my post with more stuff.
Reedited my post with more stuff.
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Logically, if we accept that Orochimaru can still usevhis 5vheaded Snake form he used against Itachi despite showing it once, we should accept this. No special requirements were needed for Naruto to enter that form.
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I think what you've said makes sense, but I'm still not sure we should upgrade especially if he ends up not using it anymore. Oh well, let's see what others think.
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Then we are going to need to wait for Dark's reply on this SPSM thing.
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You know that I'm using these other verses as a comparison to how absurd this level of skepticism is, right? I mean, I figured you'd understand it would be obvious. Also, FYI, I changed it from wall to continent, because that would be strawmanning the opposition to Goku being anything but. If you think it's ridiculous for anyone to claim Goku is only continental because there are very little direct feats showing he destroyed a planet himself, then you should think that Naruto not being able to use AM (which isn't even a mode, it's just clone jutsu mixing with Senjutsu-- with 3 bijumode cloaks fused into one, it's not even a different form). It's like Barry said, if we're putting Orochimaru's 5 head form on his profile-- something he's only used once and in a specific scenario involving another character, and if it's logical to assume that he can use AM in addition to the only proof against it being a lack of showings. What, can Naruto not use regular sage mode anymore after becoming hokage?
The point is, it should be obvious that Naruto could do this, and there is no acceptable proof against the idea. If we all agree that it's logical to assume it, and there is no proof against it, why are we being so skeptical?! It seems like downplay for downplay's sake to me, plain and simple.
You know that I'm using these other verses as a comparison to how absurd this level of skepticism is, right? I mean, I figured you'd understand it would be obvious. Also, FYI, I changed it from wall to continent, because that would be strawmanning the opposition to Goku being anything but. If you think it's ridiculous for anyone to claim Goku is only continental because there are very little direct feats showing he destroyed a planet himself, then you should think that Naruto not being able to use AM (which isn't even a mode, it's just clone jutsu mixing with Senjutsu-- with 3 bijumode cloaks fused into one, it's not even a different form). It's like Barry said, if we're putting Orochimaru's 5 head form on his profile-- something he's only used once and in a specific scenario involving another character, and if it's logical to assume that he can use AM in addition to the only proof against it being a lack of showings. What, can Naruto not use regular sage mode anymore after becoming hokage?
The point is, it should be obvious that Naruto could do this, and there is no acceptable proof against the idea. If we all agree that it's logical to assume it, and there is no proof against it, why are we being so skeptical?! It seems like downplay for downplay's sake to me, plain and simple.
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There is one thing you're missing... We don't have stats or a profile for current Orochimaru, that profile covers his Shippuden version not the current one so Orochimaru can have that on his profile.
This is an Adult version of Naruto who never used Asura Mode since his apperance even though he and others are in danger but doesn't use it. I would be inclined to believe he doesn't have it.
If he never needed it that's one thing but it's clear these villains are a threat to him but he doesn't use his strongest power to end them.
This is an Adult version of Naruto who never used Asura Mode since his apperance even though he and others are in danger but doesn't use it. I would be inclined to believe he doesn't have it.
If he never needed it that's one thing but it's clear these villains are a threat to him but he doesn't use his strongest power to end them.
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I guess I can agree on another key, with a Likely in front but I want to know what others think about this.
LOL my stupid phone keeps moving the screen up when I'm about to click edit causing me to kudos my own post.
LOL my stupid phone keeps moving the screen up when I'm about to click edit causing me to kudos my own post.
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I repeat that it is not necessary for now as it is better for him to use that form as it requires Naruto to met several things as use sage paths with Kurama, gather ki and etc. We can't add a form that we never saw him use as an adult, so if he uses it uses and he mets all the requirements in the Boruto series it gets added also about the likely thing the tier likely Moon level+, likely Small Planet level is not right.
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Well like I said I'm neutral on this but the fact he never used it at all is a problem so I'm with Dark649 on this.
Yeah you're right about the likely rating thing.
Yeah you're right about the likely rating thing.
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Then we will go in circles.
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So you assume that he can't do it because he's never shown it-- despite all the facts pointing in the opposite direction and the nature of AM being just a combination of his basic abilities? That doesn't make any sense. Him not using it against others is either PIS (sorry if that bothers you, but that's what it is) or Naruto missing the PREP TIME necessary to do it-- since he needed to have Kurama gather Nature energy while he was fighting, and all the times where he could have used it, he didn't have TIME to create a diversion? Not to mention, recreating it in the Shin Jr. Situation and Momoshiki situation had two things holding him back in addition to him likely not wanting to cause damage to the other fighters and gennin present. Against Momoshiki, Naruto was being drained. And he was soft on Shin. Not to mention AM is a combination of his most basic abilities anyway.
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Soft on Shin... That's why he was in one of his chakra modes.
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It makes no sense for you to say that he can't do AM (which isn't even anything actually special) just because he hasn't before. It's PIS and you know it. Just because people use an argument a lot and are wrong in other cases doesn't make it fallacious in all other cases when it is used. I understand that you'd be annoyed by everything being PIS, but that doesn't change the fact that it's still PIS. There's no reason to assume Naruto couldn't do Ashura Mode again besides the absence of it's use. You could argue the same for a lot of other scenarios in this verse and out of this verse for other things. I've been saying this over and over. You need a good reason to justify why you think he can't besides Naruto being stupid not to! And, even then, the scenarios that he was in at least give a reason as to why he couldn't in the first place.
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Im inclined to agree with Barry here, there is no reason for naruto to not have this form, in fact the one in the film (boruto) is basically six paths sage mode, thanks to the markings on him ect, you wont get another exact form like the original Sage of six paths from the manga cause with the new manga/anime they like changing the designs and what not of naruto's forms, just like how alot of peeps thought naruto was using chakra mode during his fight against Toneri
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Well, we are not going to add a form that Naruto has never used as an adult, even though it would have been logical for him to use it against powerful enemies.
I am going to close this thread now, as it is turning tiresome, and would appreciate if everybody involved permanently drop the issue until we get conclusive evidence.
I am going to close this thread now, as it is turning tiresome, and would appreciate if everybody involved permanently drop the issue until we get conclusive evidence.
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