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Only link recovers fast from gloom literally everyone else still remains sick and weak for a time so it wouldn't matter even if it did
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Tears of the Kingdom Spoilers Thread
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Dust_Collector
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Plus I don't think sunlight even helps that much if Ganondorf himself directly slaps you with Gloom instead, Link needed Rauru to save him from Gloom and needed his arm instead of just standing in the sun plus he still needed the spirit orbs and goddess statues to get rid of remaining Gloom in his body, Mineru died of Gloom several days after fighting Ganondorf so she couldn't just go stand outside during the day to get better.
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Has anyone calced this cloud dispersal feat yet?
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Nope but thanks for that I can do it on one of my days off
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No because her mom existed
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They likely had kids who weren’t shown.
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I hope so.
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lmao
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Goddess of Time likes to play favorites, and she can and has inexplicably and explicitly granted Acausality to things before
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The royal bloodline existed still, I guess technically the entire line should have the same powers as Zelda for the same reason but it could also be some kind of casual loop
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You just be typing random shit that comes to mind don't you
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The story is just an imperfect balance between people chilling while Link does everything and Zelda going back in time and fixing everything. ******** all over BotW in the process. It's like in the Ferris Bueller TV show where the very first thing it did was shit on the movie.
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So, just like every other Zelda story that has an imperfect balance between people chilling while Link does everything and Zelda is doing something. Like yeah TOTK's story ain't great but that's just the standard for Zelda stories since they're an afterthought to the gameplay.
******** all over it how? Sure it's weird it kinda ignores stuff from BOTW and doesn't explain why the sheikah tech just vanished, but that's just a weird lack of continuity not something that somehow ***** on or diminishes anything from BOTW.
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No offense, but have you ever played a Zelda game before? Newsflash, but in all but like one, even then, Link is carrying the whole of everything on his back. Now is no different, except this time he actually does get help by multiple people and is actively helped out by a slew of characters, aka the only game to not do the thing you're complaining TOTK is doing, is TOTK.
And Zelda didn't fix shit, the fact she didn't fix shit is a plot point and is played off as tragic even, she couldn't fix or stop anything, she just had to wait (And the MS did the time travel shit on its own, which has been an established fact of it since uh, 1997?).
Like the plot has issues, most of which stem from how they implemented it (segmented story cutscenes, which while good in gameplay and gives you something to look for and do, comes at the cost of seamless story telling or fleshing out, not that it's a bad way to do it, it just has pros and cons), but the issues you have with it, are ironic in that it's the only game to not do that.
And ******** all over BOTW? It was made pretty obvious for awhile, and even in that very game (japanese at least) that Gann wasn't gone for good and that the Ganon they were dealing with was just some sort of shadow (nintendo was cooking).
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Sure, people have always needed Link's help, but the degree of needing Link's help is so jarring in TotK compared to every other game. In most other games it's at least heavily implied that the people could help themselves, the side quests being the few things they can't do on their own. And even then, for example in Fledge's quest, all Link does is give him the Stamina Potion(s) and he does the real work, in the form of thousands of push-ups. In TotK it just feels like Link (and I don't mean the person playing him) could just Omni-Man all of Lookout Landing if he wanted to, because no one really does... anything.
They shat all over it so hard it may as well just not have happened. It could've just been Ganondorf in Hyrule when Link wakes up and it'd be the same exact game except you start on the Great Plateau. Also the blatant disregard of the Master Sword's history and retconning it so it and the Hylian Shield can just be broken like any old weapons after ALL the things you did for the Master Sword in the first game.
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You realize this argument applies to every Zelda game right? Man why even have uh, every game prior to Zelda 1 in the timeline? Or hell, why have OOT if he was just gonna show back up in TP or WW? Like what's the point?
Bro, you know this is Zelda right? The only ************ who beats out Ganon in how much he's dead but not really he's back lol is Dracula.
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If you're talking about the Sages, Link gets help from 7 Sages in Ocarina of Time alone in just one part of the game.
Zelda amping the Master Sword was literally the only reason Link beat Ganondorf. Also arguably she's the reason the new Sages were recruited.
I'm mad the plot contradicts itself and the canon, not that you get it all out of order.
Well yeah, Zelda awoke her mary sue powers and sealed Calamity Ganon before Link could kill it.
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Because the positive changes that happened were notable even in soft sequels and the games were significantly different. And that very question has been asked before but in the form of "What's the point of keeping Ganondorf as the main villain?".
I'm not mad he's back, I'm mad about the pointless contrived fake-out.
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Tylo Bruh the world literally went to ******* shit several times over in prior games without Link like there's no ******* way you're arguing this and saying the civilians could've done anything themselves. Like remind me how the townsfolk planned to stop the moon from falling in Majora or how people were gonna deal with girls with pointy ears being kidnapped in WW, what would Petra have done if Dorf just pulled up on her and her crew out of no where.
Hell as lame as vaati is no one was ******* with him and he was the scrub of all scrubs.
Remember when Link's uncle tried to do something and just flat out ******* died the moment he snuck into a castle... like lets really be real here lesser hyrule exist for a reason and it ain't because people just decided not to do anything
Hell as lame as vaati is no one was ******* with him and he was the scrub of all scrubs.
Remember when Link's uncle tried to do something and just flat out ******* died the moment he snuck into a castle... like lets really be real here lesser hyrule exist for a reason and it ain't because people just decided not to do anything
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Ah yes the Mary Sue powers that definitely prevented the destruction of her kingdom and the deaths of all her compainions and loved ones with the lands becoming much more dangerous with her having to sacrifice it all to only HOLD BACK the small percent evil sludge leaking from under hyrule castle that is calamity ganon for 100 years knowing you failed and can't even stop the calamity.
Those Mary Sue powers right?
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Tyloxtus. What are you smoking?
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Damn **** WW ig, the Master Sword needing to be amped?
Man **** uh, most games actually because the MS having a varying degree of power, needing sacred juice and a bunch of wacky shit has been hinted at, or loosely applied in numerous games before now. All Totk did was have a funny tree say it point-blank instead of them being vague about it.
And the Hylian Shield? That's just gameplay bro, it has a fucktillion durability points to convey the fact it's meant to be nigh-indestructible, but obviously, they can't have it actually being it because that'd be game breaking and go against the gameplay loop, which you can still get around by repairing it anyway.
Was talking about Midna but there you go, Link gets helped once in OOT, and you're complaining that Link does everything in TOTK when I can name a dozen times right now where he gets helped?
Yeah, and? That wasn't fixing shit, it was giving Link the absolute ******* minimum he needed to do it? He still had to actually do it, it wasn't a free pass, and she basically had to kill herself to do so, and she couldn't prevent all the death and tragedy, literally all she did, was give the weapon some juice at the cost of her life while failing to save anyone or changing anything (Which btw, WW establishes Sages can juice up the MS, and BOTW actually does that thrice over with Shiekah sages).
Now, let's name off every game where the MS gets a funny power boost by random ******* characters that is, in lore, required to beat Ganon.
ALTTP, WW, TP, ALBW, etc. And now let's list off the times in other games Zelda pulled a magic power out her ass and gave Link the exact tool required to not get gigafucked immediately but to an even greater extent.
OOT, WW, TP, literally every game she's in unironically including MM, a game she isn't even in.
Your complaint is asinine, Zelda doing the bare minimum with an established power while not actually changing anything or saving anyone but only granting Link one tool that opens the path to victory, not even granting it immediately, is tame as ****.
Goddamn you must hate OOT, FS, Minish, SS, and like 80% of the verse then.
You mean the sacred power that her bloodline has been established to have since Zelda 1 and she struggled whole game to awaken and the fact she failed to wake it, leading to the death of half the country?
Bro I ain't saying Zelda is master class in writing, but, all your complaints apply to most of the franchise, except worse in most cases?
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I'm not saying I don't like the game, the story the game runs on just isn't good.
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Not even sure how the plot contradicts itself. It's such a simple story that it can't contradict itself. Like ok Zelda goes back in time and all the stuff in the past happens, she becomes an immortal dragon and flies around in the sky for 10,000+ years, Ganondorf eventually returns and kicks off the (Surprisingly stable) timeloop, Link kills him the end.
Also damn you must despise the plot of OOT given how much it ***** all over the backstory established in ALTTP.
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Oh we're not starting this again, keep your weird idea of Zelda beign a mary sue away.
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Bro, you've played TOTK right? There's numerous changes to the world in TOTK due to the fact that they can now walk outside without being drive by'd by a ******* Metal Gear.
Quite a bit more settlements, expansion of civilization, rebuilding, etc. It's only been a few years since but they talk about how they're making reconstruction efforts due to the Calamity now that they actually can, and they're even shown doing that and the results of such.
What fake-out? They made it explicit Calamity Ganon wasn't shit even in BOTW, if anything they just followed up on it.
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I actually didn't like that they did that in WW. The Master Sword has been at full power while no Sages existed in plenty of games before.
Skyward Sword had a Hylian Shield with a durability meter that could not go down in any way.
If by "help" you mean "fight alongside" then sure, but that wouldn't mean nobody else does anything.
Their existence gives the Master Sword it's original power in WW, they don't amp it further. And I know, but Link still would've lost without it.
I don't even think the lore tells you what level of strength the Master Sword was upgraded to or it it was. The upgrades usually just make the fight easier.
Wait, when did Zelda help in Majora's Mask?
Adding lore isn't a contradiction.
Zelda kinda has a way pulling powers out of her ass, as of late.
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Name one new settlement that isn't Lookout Landing. No, Tarrey Town doesn't count as new.
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Weapon durability is a major part of BOTW/TOTK gameplay (Even moreso in the latter due to fusing), the most SS did was give it to shields and they had a kinda linear progression system with them being Wooden/Iron Shield to Sacred Shield to Hylian Shield.
The Gerudo fend off the Gibdos, several Zora are helping slow down the pollution of their waters, the entire monster hunting squad.
Honestly I could find more people doing things and being helpful in TOTK then I can most other games in the series. Average hylian in this game would put the entire army of TP to shame.
And that counters his point how? Like yeah no exact way of knowing the actual boost but still a boost regardless.
How do you think Link learned the funny song that lets him rewind time by 3 days.
Yeah it isn't, y'know what is a contradiction tho:
- Ganondorf entering the Sacred Realm just by following Link into it instead of getting inside by himself with his gang of thieves
- Ganondorf just strolling up to the Triforce to claim just a third of it instead of getting into a bloody fight to the death with his gang and taking the full Triforce
- Ganondorf getting sealed away without anything resembling a war happening in the process
- The Sacred Realm becoming the Dark World simply from Ganondorf touching the Triforce (And it didn't even need to be him, any evil asshole would've caused the same result) instead of it becoming the Dark World due to a wish Ganondorf made on the Triforce
- Ganondorf being sealed in the Dark World with just a piece of the Triforce instead of the full thing
"As of late"
lol, lmao even.
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Ah yes the two games before WW with the MS.
It's been a fact since WW and made a point in each since.
Also even in AlttP, it could be upgraded, it's debut.
Newsflash, SS, and TOTK have a completely different fundamental gameplay style and SS doesn't have a weapon obtainment loop.
Yes, fighting alongside people is helping, and so is giving Link a bunch of tech upgrades because his dumbass ain't upgrading shiekah's tech, or given equipment he needs to do certain tasks for free or given a literal gundam, or like, idk, what dusty said.
Bro, TOTK Link actually gets help, in every other game he gets nothing, like lmao who helped him in LA? Or OOT? What about FSA? etc.
Link usually gets one free help a game, that's it, and usually only at the end like in OOT.
That's the thing brother, you just haven't put two and two together.
The MS has always been able to become weakened or stronger. In WW it got weaker and needed two no-name sages to boost it back to just normal (Now imagine that for 10 million years but with triforce juice, it checks out), or in TP where it got blessed by two balls and got even stronger than normal, or uh, in AlttP where it got upgraded TWICE past normal, the game it DEBUTTED in.
TOTK didn't change anything, it took established facts and happenings from the past, and instead of beating around the bush just went "yeah it can get weaker, but it also gets stronger the more juice it gets lol", which, btw BOTW also established and even had DLC for too. Like this straight up isn't news, if you look at supplementary material too, it's all but stated as well. You're complaining about a new addition as if it actually is new, and hasn't been a thing since before you were born.
We know for a fact Link did upgrade it them, also you'd be surprised how many guides say shit like "to even stand a chance!".
It's no different than how Link needed FD to beat Majora in lore, but in gameplay it's optional.
Literally gave him the OOT and SOT, lol.
No but contradicting the ever-living **** out of it is.
Since Zelda 1 on famicom you mean?
Actually pretty sure it was due to the war where millions died (all just to seal 1 dude lmao, which didn't even work because he still ****** with from across dimensions by giving them aids and disasters lol), the triforce just made sure it stayed that way.
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The dozen random as **** little settlements and multiple new horse places? New buildings like a school even, etc? Bro, you outting yourself...
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Bro you excluded THE new settlement
******* spit bro, you're cooking heavy
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I'd also like to point out the MS itself is just the Goddess Sword juiced up on god magic.
Like, the MS ITSELF is just a juiced OTHER sword that gets stronger when given the chance to suckle on holy magic.
I fear the MS having a sliding power scale and being able to get stronger is so intrinsic to the lore, it's literally its own backstory.
Like, the MS ITSELF is just a juiced OTHER sword that gets stronger when given the chance to suckle on holy magic.
I fear the MS having a sliding power scale and being able to get stronger is so intrinsic to the lore, it's literally its own backstory.
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POV you are Master of the Secret Stone: Demon King Ganondorf, and you are putting Great King of Evil: Ganonfraud, in his place when he challenges you
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POV: You're the great demon king and you have to fight a ******* piece of wood
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