Tatsumi vs Erza

[Dragonmasterxyz]

Plus wingblade ignores conventional durability.

Not the way you think. It just means she doesn't need to hit tats to harm him. It's not like the Nakagami armor.

The ability that allows to damage the target, regardless of its durability. In particular,enables causing serious damage to a very strong opponent, even in the absence of large attack potency.

And Wingblade ignore conventional durability. She wouldn't have that if her attacks weren't like this...

 

[ZERO7772]

No he didn't. We've discussed this at length above with Reppuzan and the others.

But he did

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

Apparently he did not...

 

[Drellix]

Apparently he did not...

He did and I can prove it easily.

 

[ScarletFirefly]

Yes. The first time she used it AFTER his evolution in which he can adapt and his base COULD NOT adapt at all he adapted immediately.

Look at Tatsumi's keyed abilities

Incursio did adapt when it was at base. It adapted just when Tatsumi got it from Bulat. It adapted to his body and fightning style, proving your point wrong.

 

[Drellix]

@Dragon

• Blade Wings: The outfit comes equipped with wings, apparently made of swords, that can act as a shield. Moreover, any of the aforementioned swords can be also easily summoned and used for offensive purposes.The swords can "dance" on command in mid-air, similar to the circle of swords of the Heaven's Wheel Armor, in order to attack multiple foes simultaneously. According to Erza, these swords are capable of landing blows without making direct contact, allowing her to bypass other people's defenses.

What Wing Blade armor does

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

Apparently he did not...

He did and I can prove it easily.

Show me....

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

@Dragon

• Blade Wings: The outfit comes equipped with wings, apparently made of swords, that can act as a shield. Moreover, any of the aforementioned swords can be also easily summoned and used for offensive purposes.The swords can "dance" on command in mid-air, similar to the circle of swords of the Heaven's Wheel Armor, in order to attack multiple foes simultaneously. According to Erza, these swords are capable of landing blows without making direct contact, allowing her to bypass other people's defenses.

What Wing Blade armor does

Thank you for proving my point.

 

[ScarletFirefly]

@Dragon

• Blade Wings: The outfit comes equipped with wings, apparently made of swords, that can act as a shield. Moreover, any of the aforementioned swords can be also easily summoned and used for offensive purposes.The swords can "dance" on command in mid-air, similar to the circle of swords of the Heaven's Wheel Armor, in order to attack multiple foes simultaneously. According to Erza, these swords are capable of landing blows without making direct contact, allowing her to bypass other people's defenses.

What Wing Blade armor does

I dont really see a problem with this. It literally said what I showed you in the scan.

 

[Drellix]

Incursio did adapt when it was at base.

lol no. Not what we are talking about. We're talking about it's limited reactive evolution. That's Incursio changing it's form to fit Tatsumi. Nothing more nothing less.

 

[ScarletFirefly]

lol no. Not what we are talking about. We're talking about it's limited reactive evolution. That's Incursio changing it's form to fit Tatsumi. Nothing more nothing less.

It's still reactive evolution. Reactive means it reacts to outside stimuli, in this case the owner being changed.

 

[Drellix]

@Dragon

That is durability negagtion. Nakagami armor, which i have taken out, is the only one that passes conventional durability.

 

[ScarletFirefly]

@Dragon
That is durability negagtion. Nakagami armor, which i have taken out, is the only one that passes conventional durability.

Mind showing what's the difference exactly?

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

@Dragon
That is durability negagtion. Nakagami armor, which i have taken out, is the only one that passes conventional durability.

Ignoring conventional durability is durability negation.........

 

[ZERO7772]

Why people keep mixing base Incursio with the evolved one ?

 

[Drellix]

@Scarlet

It is always stated that Incursio is alive. It didn't gain the power to adapt to it's SURROUNDINGS until after the evolution.

 

[Drellix]

Ignoring conventional durability is durability negation.........

Sorry i had a typo in that sentence. Nakagami armor is the only that bypasses conventialnal durability. Wing blade armor can hit without hitting. Not the same thing

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

Ignoring conventional durability is durability negation.........

Sorry i had a typo in that sentence. Nakagami armor is the only that bypasses conventialnal durability. Wing blade armor can hit without hitting. Not the same thing

can ignore conventional durability (with Wingblade Armor),

Let me guess. It's wrong? Also could you tally the votes for Erza in the OP?

 

[Drellix]

@Dragon

Okay, that's weird. Nakagami armor should be the only one that can do that as it cuts through space itself. But if that's how it is, i'll take out that armor too. Tatsumi has absolutely no way of countering something like that so that's why i took out the Nakagami armor.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

@Dragon
Okay, that's weird. Nakagami armor should be the only one that can do that as it cuts through space itself. But if that's how it is, i'll take out that armor too. Tatsumi has absolutely no way of countering something like that so that's why i took out the Nakagami armor.

So you're restricting Erza even more? It isn't like it's a stomp...

 

[ScarletFirefly]

@Dragon
Okay, that's weird. Nakagami armor should be the only one that can do that as it cuts through space itself. But if that's how it is, i'll take out that armor too. Tatsumi has absolutely no way of countering something like that so that's why i took out the Nakagami armor.

Ok that's just not right . Tatsumi has higher stats, can regen everything, save for his head, can evolve to her attacks, and you're taking out her attacks that can bypass that?

 

[Drellix]

@Dragon

Yes it would be. One hit with durability negating attacks and he's done. Like I said, he has no way of combating that.

 

[ScarletFirefly]

Ok let's turn this around for a bit. How does Erza have any way to combat his regen?

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

@Dragon
Yes it would be. One hit with durability negating attacks and he's done. Like I said, he has no way of combating that.

No it would not be. Considering Tatsumi has higher AP and regen. You're making this one-sided in Tatsumi's favor.

 

[Drellix]

Ok that's just not right . Tatsumi has higher stats, can regen everything, save for his head, can evolve to her attacks, and you're taking out her attacks that can bypass that?

He can't regen everything. Read his profile. He can't evolve to resist her durability negating attacks. I don't think you understand that the force of the attacks will carry through but any added affects like freezing or getting shocked or burning won't get applied to him because he adapts to those. Esdeaths ice attacks still hurt Tatsumi because they still carried power, but he won't freeze.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

Ok let's turn this around for a bit. How does Erza have any way to combat his regen?

^this

 

[Drellix]

No it would not be. Considering Tatsumi has higher AP and regen. You're making this one-sided in Tatsumi's favor.

Do i honestly need to expain what durability negation does?

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

^So are you saying every Seiya fight should not be allowed if the opponent has no defense for durability negation? That's not how this works. This is a fair edge she has over her foe. Taking that away from her is showning clear foul play and bias.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

No it would not be. Considering Tatsumi has higher AP and regen. You're making this one-sided in Tatsumi's favor.

Do i honestly need to expain what durability negation does?

I obviously know what it does. If I didn't then I would not have ever brought it up....

 

[Drellix]

Ok let's turn this around for a bit. How does Erza have any way to combat his regen?

You're right about that. I get so caught up in my arguments that i honestly forget what i'm saying. XD i apologize for that. I'll keep the wing blade, though the Nakagami is something i think i should leave out though i'm not sure.

 

[ScarletFirefly]

Ok let's tally here:

Erza's Disadvatages: Tatsumi has regen, higher stats, can evovle as you yourself quoted "instantly", Tatsumi's killer mindset compared to Erza more pacifist one (your argument)

Tatsumi's Disadvantages: Erza can bypass durability with a couple of her armors.

In any way this is not unfair to Tatsumi, if anything, I'd argue it's the other way around, but let's not go into that.

 

[Drellix]

Ok let's tally here:

Erza's Disadvatages: Tatsumi has regen, higher stats, can evovle as you yourself quoted "instantly", Tatsumi's killer mindset compared to Erza more pacifist one (your argument)

Tatsumi's Disadvantages: Erza can bypass durability with a couple of her armors.

In any way this is not unfair to Tatsumi, if anything, I'd argue it's the other way around, but let's not go into that.

Erza has more experience too, don't forget that.

 

[ScarletFirefly]

Erza has more experience too, don't forget that.

Experience is a much less deciding factor than regen and stats, but sure you can count that too.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

So is the tally

Tatsumi:3?

Erza:3?

 

[Drellix]

If you two stick with your votes, yes.

 

[ScarletFirefly]

Where do the 3 Tatsumi votes come from? And what happened to Reppuzan's, NotEvenHuman's and Ragazz's vote?

 

[Drellix]

Where do the 3 Tatsumi votes come from? And what happened to Reppuzan's, NotEvenHuman's and Ragazz's vote?

Those were votes of Tatsumi prior to newest upgrade.

Three Tatsumi votes come from me, Zero and Gemmy

 

[ScarletFirefly]

Those were votes of Tatsumi prior to newest upgrade.

As far as I'm reading, Ragazz's and Reppuzan's votes were given not due to higher stats (at the time) only, so I don't see a reason to not count them.

Three Tatsumi votes come from me, Zero and Gemmy

Although you can debate in your own thread, OP's votes are not counted.

 

[Drellix]

Wait really? Well, that kinda stinks. I guess i'm just the lonely third wheel to this.

 

[Ragazz]

i restrained myself from actually giving a vote, due to my lack of knowledge of tatsumi, but if u want it, here it goes.

i doubt that tatsumi can adapt to physical damage, bcs that way he would be invincible.

most of erza's attacks are physical actually.

my vote goes to erza due to (my opinion):

more skilled and experienced, more versatile than tatsumi is adaptive, good at figuring out enemy abilities and maybe smarter. even if tatsumi's stats are higher, its nothing new for erza to go against all odds - proven many times. tatsumi can regenerate, but erza can take lots of punishment herself. erza has some hax armors, which might very well do tatsumi in.

hypothetically speaking, chopping off limbs might give trouble to tatsumi i imagine.