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Even if this is the only starting move for Merlin, the match is inconclusive because both have a 50/50 chance of winning.
Voting Merlin is illogical.
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Tatsumaki (OPM) vs Merlin (NNT)
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Voting Merlin is illogical.
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what if Merlin chooses thousands of KM BFR and not the interdimensional BFR 
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She literally spam teleportation magic on Vivian and that was just to mess with her after all she has infinity so it’s not a problem. Merlin is a smart character and would just send her opponent far away. I would like reasons as to how Tatsumaki would be concentrated enough to pinpoint Merlin after be BFR repeatably?what if Merlin chooses thousands of KM BFR and not the interdimensional BFR
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Also didn't Merlin uses various starting hax beforehand against certain foes? I looked into her profile and it stated in one section "she rarely fights in direct combat as she prefers more roundabout methods, rapidly teleporting foes until they are incapacitated by vertigo" And she would use various hax to trap Tatsumaki.
So in short she could use it to mess with Tatsumaki, but if Tatsumaki catches Merlin, then Merlin could send her soul into another container and mess with Tatsumaki with her magic. Plus there is also absolute cube, and her time stop that could mess her up.
Since it is quite dangerous.
So in short she could use it to mess with Tatsumaki, but if Tatsumaki catches Merlin, then Merlin could send her soul into another container and mess with Tatsumaki with her magic. Plus there is also absolute cube, and her time stop that could mess her up.
I mean I am agreeing with the Merlin beats Tatsumaki with her hax and vast use of abilities, but I am also commenting on Tatsumaki has LS advantage and starts with the crushing with her Psychic abilities.
Since it is quite dangerous.
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this is just incon
Tatsumaki's first move is thought based TK crush and Merlin's first move is thought based teleportation
Tatsumaki's first move is thought based TK crush and Merlin's first move is thought based teleportation
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The thing is, it is at best inconclusive for Merlin.
In her best case scenario, she manages to 50/50 Tatsumaki by using a thought-based kill move at the same time that Tatsumaki uses her thought-based kill move.
In every other scenario, she loses to Tatsumaki killing her with a thought and having Thousands of Kilometers of range and Extrasensory Perception.
So Tatsumaki is just by far the more likely winner. It's not complicated.
In her best case scenario, she manages to 50/50 Tatsumaki by using a thought-based kill move at the same time that Tatsumaki uses her thought-based kill move.
In every other scenario, she loses to Tatsumaki killing her with a thought and having Thousands of Kilometers of range and Extrasensory Perception.
So Tatsumaki is just by far the more likely winner. It's not complicated.
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Tatsumaki would win if Merlin does NOT start with her thought based hax
but she does start with it so its incon
but she does start with it so its incon
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Is Merlin's sacred treasure just floating there? If it is, Tatsumaki would destroy it with Merlin the same way she also destroyed Psykos' floating eyes when crushing her.
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Not really. In every scenerio Merlin escapes to her sacred treasure
It is always hidden unless she decides to make it visible. So unless tatsumaki can sense her soul she won't even know Merlin survived until Merlin wants her to know
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I'm aware that it's hidden.
Since we're assuming that Merlin has Aldan right right next to her (there's no prep time for her to set it up elsewhere),Tatsumaki would immediately be aware of the sacred treasure's presence due to it being suspended by Merlin's telekinesis.
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Aldabra can be turned invisible or summoned or desummoned.
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Merlin would need to put her soul before she gets ripped apart, she can't do it after she gets ripped in shreds
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It's visibility is irrelevant because Tatsumaki has Extrasensory Perception. If Merlin does not have it summoned when the match starts, she'd be unable to transfer her soul.
Also, the entire "Merlin would just transfer her soul to the sacred treasure" argument is really silly. Merlin herself claimed that she can only do so before her main body is completely incapacitated, meaning the moment that Tatsumaki erases her with TK, the fight would be over as Merlin's body won't even exist anymore:
EDIT: Ninja'd on the last point
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Does the ESP apply for soul and hidden magical artifacts that others can’t sense? Also Alden is a last resort anyway but it’s still a possibility. By the way Tatsumaki has a range limit for her telekinesis. So say she was sent too far away she wouldn’t be able to grab Merlin. And again she needs concentration to use her powers properly if she gets the Vivian treatment she is done for. But you do have a point this match may be inconclusive however thought based spamable mass BFR would be a viable win con.
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Where does it say Tatsumaki needs concentration to use her powers??
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Is tats starting move ap or a ls crush?
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its TK crush
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I’m gonna be asking silly questions before I make a case.
Is all aspect of speed equalized in this battle? Because Merlin Perception and Reaction speed are in the FTL ranges
Is Tats Instant Tk Crush as fast as her combat speed?
Is all aspect of speed equalized in this battle? Because Merlin Perception and Reaction speed are in the FTL ranges
Is Tats Instant Tk Crush as fast as her combat speed?
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No coz it's invisible.
1. Arthur has ESP, was right there and also carried the rest people back to mama hawk. He never once sensed Merlin or he sacred treasure..he legit thought she was gone.
2. Unless you're saying tatsumaki Tk is immeasurable speed then this is irrelevant. Merlin soul woukd be transferred before she is completely gone. Like Garland and DK are wey faster than her. The curse runs on either sped and yet she could still transfer her soul.
Yeah Merlin edges this for me.
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Alright one last thing
Her starting move. From what I’m seeing and know of is mostly used on Monsters that she views are of no importance to her.
Is there any case she instantly crushes a Human or Human like creature in the same manner she does the monsters in her verse?
Her starting move. From what I’m seeing and know of is mostly used on Monsters that she views are of no importance to her.
Is there any case she instantly crushes a Human or Human like creature in the same manner she does the monsters in her verse?
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How does she do this before being crushed?
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It’s the same way she did it before getting Petrifiied which is pretty instantaneous after lying infront of Galand.
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Is it thought based? If so, still results in a drawn result since neither is faster than the other.
If not, she loses in that scenario as well.
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There’s also this question I’ve asked if you got the answer?Alright one last thing
Her starting move. From what I’m seeing and know of is mostly used on Monsters that she views are of no importance to her.
Is there any case she instantly crushes a Human or Human like creature in the same manner she does the monsters in her verse?
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Against Saitama, who resisted it.
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Alright.
Merlin does have multiple starting moves. She can Teleport her opponents or teleport herself out of harms way. Her teleportation is thought based aswell and she can freely spam it with no limits aswell.
Their ranges seems about the same so this really is a cat and mouse type of fight. However Merlin has shown to use her teleportation as a form of prep for further attacks.
Merlin is also the type in character to throw random stuff together in battle.
Merlin also has the ability to stop time ( She does it seemingly instantly in the fight against Cath as opposed to the 10 minute timer timer which was revealed to her purposefully letting the Meliodas absorb all the Ten Commandments)
Did anyone bring up Perfect Cube and how it’s a barrier that also an attack reflection based barrier
Merlin may possibly have multiple wincons but it’s probably how efficient it is.
Merlin does have multiple starting moves. She can Teleport her opponents or teleport herself out of harms way. Her teleportation is thought based aswell and she can freely spam it with no limits aswell.
Their ranges seems about the same so this really is a cat and mouse type of fight. However Merlin has shown to use her teleportation as a form of prep for further attacks.
Merlin is also the type in character to throw random stuff together in battle.
Merlin also has the ability to stop time ( She does it seemingly instantly in the fight against Cath as opposed to the 10 minute timer timer which was revealed to her purposefully letting the Meliodas absorb all the Ten Commandments)
Did anyone bring up Perfect Cube and how it’s a barrier that also an attack reflection based barrier
Merlin may possibly have multiple wincons but it’s probably how efficient it is.
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Orochi's dragon heads and Psykos the moment Tats wasn't preoccupied with the heroes. Her only 2 encounters with more relative monsters.
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It is thought based. Heck the petrification is kinda passive and she still pulled it off.
I don't think it's a draw as Merlin still has all her abilities and stuff in this state.
The moment she transfers to her sacred treasure she is undetectable. She would just bfr tatsumaki after
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What? This isn't true.
While it's true that both abilities are instant, Tatsumaki's is an attack while Merlin's is a response to an attack. What this means is that Merlin still needs to be able to react to herself getting crushed in order to transfer her soul to Aldan, but because the attack is instant, there is no time for her to activate it in response.
Merlin dies.
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Merlin reacted to herself instantly getting petrified by transfering her soul to aldan. Tats crushing her will still result in the same thing
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It was not instant. We see it happening slowly in the bottom-left before she was fully petrified in the next page, which lines up with her own words of her transferring her soul before it was completed (implies that it was not instant)
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I think there is a misunderstanding Aldan is al last resort. Merlin first move is to BFR her opponent to an extremely far distance like thousands of kilometres(she sent Vivian to a different time zone) or just spam teleportation which would give Tatsumaki the Vivian treatment or she just send her to a different dimension.
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Sending people to different dimensions is not in character for her to do in combat, and especially not as her first instant move. Tatsumaki has a range of over 200 kilometers so the odds of Merlin BFR'ing Tatsumaki out of her range before Tatsumaki kills her are very low.
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Merlin outranges her from what I’m seeing, Merlin range is at least a 186 miles (299km) and is shown to send Vivian through different timezons and climates.
So I’m generally confused on how tats is dealing with continuous teleportation with infinity added on if she wanted to?
So I’m generally confused on how tats is dealing with continuous teleportation with infinity added on if she wanted to?
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You seem to misunderstand. I'm saying that it is at best a draw if everything goes right for Merlin. Because she still just instant dies 50% of the time from the TK crush even in her best case scenarios.
So there's just no logical reason to vote Merlin.
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Tatsumaki's is 236 kilometers. There's not nearly a difference enough to say that Merlin would know to teleport Tatsumaki that far. It's not as if she always teleports people 299 kilometers away.
Teleporting someone through timezones means nothing as that's completely dependent on your latitude since they'd be moving along the longitude. Because the planet is a sphere, at different latitudes, the width of a timezone can be vastly smaller than what you currently seem to be assuming.
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Tats first move isn’t even a 100% kill move, Merlin can Absolute Cancel it, use perfect cube on herself, BFR Tats, use vector manip to deflect the TK grab
TK was also shown to not be a insta kill Tats herself survived a TK crush
She also need concentration to use her TK, an increase in concentration increase her psychic powers the bfr spam would just **** up her psychic powers
Merlin has way more viable options to win
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The problem isn’t even about the range, She has no way of dealing with spammable teleportation and this is without the possibility of her adding infinity to it.
Even with the event she doesn’t start with instant teleportation
I also don’t see how she gets past Double Impact which basically identifies which of the 4 natural elements less resilient to, fill the very air with elemental traps that activate the moment she makes the tiniest of move and her resistance drops every hit and added on the fact that she basically suspends the time of her spell meaning it goes on forever.
Even with the event she doesn’t start with instant teleportation
I also don’t see how she gets past Double Impact which basically identifies which of the 4 natural elements less resilient to, fill the very air with elemental traps that activate the moment she makes the tiniest of move and her resistance drops every hit and added on the fact that she basically suspends the time of her spell meaning it goes on forever.
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