Tatsumaki (OPM) vs Merlin (NNT)

[Robo432343]

that is a 6 years old, not accepted calc

 

[Makai641001]

There is no proof that PC can deflect Tatsumaki's psychic abilities.

Not about deflecting nothing can spawn inside of PC it Just severe the link between the inside and outside of the cube

PC reflects everything even physicals

 

[JustANormalPerson01]

I vote for Tatsumaki.

All I'm seeing for Merlin's side is people changing Merlin's first move every time Tatsumaki's side says their first move does not work: "Power Null does not work? Then she'll start with Teleportation. It does not work? Then she'll start analyzing Tatsumaki's powers"

Meanwhile, Tatsumaki's first, 100% effective movement is to just TK crush Merlin with a sight. So, yeah, I'm voting to her. A first hand move used 100% of the times that always ends up in an instant kill is way more reliable than a character which has several starting moves, most of which will end up with her getting killed before she can do anything

Also, as others already have pointed out, magic does exist in OPM, as seen with the ancient dragon; and psykochinesis is not part of magic. So you can't equalize them just because magic can do TK in NNT.

 

[Makai641001]

If Merlin spends the time to assess Tatsumaki's strength, she'd be dead. Tatsumaki doesn't even let her enemies finish their sentences before she kills them.

Doesn’t really take time though

Merlin's max range is 299 km.

Tatsumaki's max range is 441 km. Invalid reason for voting

in fact her P&A states the correct value.

Summoning, Teleportation and Spammable Mass BFR (Merlin's teleportation power is at a high level, significantly superior to her apprentice Vivian's teleportation.[13] She has the ability to teleport herself, other people,[14][15] and groups[5] or summon an object[16] to specific locations thousands of miles distant)

Regarding the question of weakening Tats with double impact i doubt Merlin would do that since she has weaknesses she would just auto activate traps to avoid Tats Using her powers

Remember that the intelligence and analysis gap is disastrous and Merlin can see force, weaknesses and plans since the beginning of the fight.

Avoiding the TK grab will be a joke to her she’ll know distance, power etc…

 

[Makai641001]

I vote for Tatsumaki.

All I'm seeing for Merlin's side is people changing Merlin's first move every time Tatsumaki's side says their first move does not work: "Power Null does not work? Then she'll start with Teleportation. It does not work? Then she'll start analyzing Tatsumaki's powers"

Meanwhile, Tatsumaki's first, 100% effective movement is to just TK crush Merlin with a sight. So, yeah, I'm voting to her. A first hand move used 100% of the times that always ends up in an instant kill is way more reliable than a character which has several starting moves, most of which will end up with her getting killed before she can do anything

Merlin have a magic eye that reads forces, plans etc… instantly hence why she adapts her starting move.

She’ll know about Tats wincons since the very beginning of the fight

Also, as others already have pointed out, magic does exist in OPM, as seen with the ancient dragon; and psykochinesis is not part of magic. So you can't equalize them just because magic can do TK in NNT.

PC reflects all powers, and also just severe any connexion from inside to the outside.

Basically Merlin can defend against an ability that she’ll know about beforehand

 

[JustANormalPerson01]

So, let me see it clear. You're saying that Merlin can analyze Tatsumaki's strength, speed, abilities, LS, think of a counter measure and act following said counter measure in less time than what Tatsumaki needs to just think "get TK crushed" in speed equalized.

Yeah, that's not happening. Even if that'd work, saying that a character can do several different actions before the other just thinks, regardless how fast each individual action is, while in speed equalized, is just wrong.

 

[Makai641001]

So, let me see it clear. You're saying that Merlin can analyze Tatsumaki's strength, speed, abilities, LS, think of a counter measure and act following said counter measure in less time than what Tatsumaki needs to just think "get TK crushed" in speed equalized.

The eye of balor gives her the info instantly.

She doesn’t need Time she already knows

Yeah, that's not happening. Even if that'd work, saying that a character can do several different actions before the other just thinks, regardless how fast each individual action is, while in speed equalized, is just wrong.

It is tho

 

[JustANormalPerson01]

The eye of balor gives her the info instantly.

She doesn’t need Time she already knows

Yeah, and you know what also happens instantly? Tatsumaki's TK.

It is tho

So, you're seriously saying that thinking of a counter measure and acting following said counter measure is faster than just TK crushing someone in the beginning of the match? Come on…

Making an analogy, this is a duel of pistols. Tatsumaki just has to press the trigger, Merlin has to analyze and choose what weapon will work and then press the trigger. Obviously Tatsumaki's action is gonna happen first.

 

[Robo432343]

Tatsumaki TK crushes the monster looking thingy
wouldn't she hold back against Merlin because she isn't of one those

 

[JustANormalPerson01]

Tatsumaki TK crushes the monster looking thingy
wouldn't she hold back against Merlin because she isn't of one those

Tatsumaki does not care if someone is human or monster. She literally was going to kill Psykos the first time they met in both occasions, same happens with the psychic guy whose name I don't remember.

Tatsumaki sees every enemy equally meaningless to her. Being a human or a monster, it's not going to make her flinch

 

[Makai641001]

Yeah, and you know what also happens instantly? Tatsumaki's TK.

So, you're seriously saying that thinking of a counter measure and acting following said counter measure is faster than just TK crushing someone in the beginning of the match? Come on…

Making an analogy, this is a duel of pistols. Tatsumaki just has to press the trigger, Merlin has to analyze and choose what weapon will work and then press the trigger. Obviously Tatsumaki's action is gonna happen first.

It’s not hard to understand that she doesn’t need to think, she ALREADY KNOWS how to defend and what defense 100% works

Tats starting move isn’t 100% of the time TK

She sends rocks flying, use tornados etc…

Tatsumaki TK crushes the monster looking thingy
wouldn't she hold back against Merlin because she isn't of one those

Idrk since she tried on Saitama but i don’t know if she wanted to kill him

 

[Majinere566]

Merlin literally knows what tats is going to do before she does it. She isn’t going to let herself get crushed while already knowing it’s gonna happen.

The second Tats thinks about crushing Merlin, Merlin is proceeding with her response which are several and are also effective

 

[Makai641001]

Merlin literally knows what tats is going to do before she does it. She isn’t going to let herself get crushed while already knowing it’s gonna happen.

The second Tats thinks about crushing Merlin, Merlin is proceeding with her response which are several and are also effective

Merlin knows beforehand and can defend Tats wincon.

Tats doesn’t know and can’t defend.

They think Merlin needs mental gymnastics…

I’ll unwatch

 

[JustANormalPerson01]

Mind of sending me proof of Merlin knowing a way of how to counter measure someone instantly without the need of process information herself? Because all this time you made it sound she was gonna analyze Tatsumaki's information and use the optimal move in consequence; and now you're making it sound like if she has some short of pseudo-precognition abilities which lets her know what to do without the need to think.

 

[JustANormalPerson01]

Oh, and btw, analyzing the strength of espers does not really work, since their strength is just that of a normal human, it's just their psychic power that makes them strong. Some machine Child Emperor made tried to analyze Fubuki's strength but got a low result due to her physical strength being low.

 

[speedster352]

Since Merlin BFR range is now at least a thousand kilometres that means that Tatsumaki range won’t reach and Merlin can win via BFR and if she tries to return Merlin can just send her to purgatory or freeze time.

 

[Catbowtie]

Tatsumaki TK crushes the monster looking thingy
wouldn't she hold back against Merlin because she isn't of one those

Depends on how Tatsumaki would react to getting the information beamed inside her brain that Merlin may or may not be a God level threat that will kill her sister first then blowing up the planet.

State of mind: In character, but will attempt to win the battle. Characters will not give up of their own accord. That means a character that is uninterested or sees no chance of winning won't simply leave and characters wouldn't simply become friends with each other. This doesn't prevent a character being made to give up, because the other character manipulates them via things like, for example, mind control, fear inducement, psychological tricks or superhuman charisma.
Each character will view their opponents as enemies, who they have to assume wish to cause them severe harm such that losing could have any range of dire consequences. The characters will assume their opponents have not been forced into battle. They are assumed to have decided from free will to fight and are not excused by a just cause, difficult times or otherwise exonerating circumstances. Furthermore, the situation is assumed one where the opponents are not protected by social norms or consequences, such as being a civilian protected by law.

And I think Tatsumaki would just think she's another Psykos and LS rip/AP crush her anyways. Tatsumaki does NOT gaf

 

[Arkansalter2]

Voting Tatsumaki here FRA

 

[Demon_Lord18]

Does Tatsumaki's opening move negate durability?

 

[Kachon123]

Does Tatsumaki's opening move negate durability?

Yup

 

[Faa_Tzy]

Wet, would merlin consider tats as a stronger enemy or maybe equalized to weaker?

If Tats should be considered stronger than Merlin, it's possible that Merlin wincon with Time stop.

 

[Majinere566]

Merlin literally has multiple win cons and can avoid Tats win cons

 

[Catbowtie]

My Brother in Christ they have established that having multiple win conditions doesn't make her more likely to win when Tatsu thinks and she wins

 

[Majinere566]

My brother in Christ we have also established the fact that Merlin can literally read her thoughts and her plans, therefore avoiding them easily with instant teleportation.

 

[Catbowtie]

We're going in circles man.

 

[JustANormalPerson01]

Interesting how people think Merlin can read Tatsumaki's mind, read her strength, analyze her abilities and think of a countermeasure to what Tatsumaki's going to do before Tatsumaki just TK crushes her instantly with a single thought while speed is equalized

 

[Majinere566]

She quite literally only needs to read her mind and just before she act on her thought based LS Crush Merlin quite literally responds with her instant TP. She literally has all the advantages in this scenario

 

[JustANormalPerson01]

I'm sorry, but using the only 1 of the 300 magical items she has that'd make her evade Tatsumaki's attack far less possible than Tatsumaki using her initial move against any enemy on her.

Also, going by the description of the item:

• Balor's Power Eye: A device which allows the user to instantly determine another's power level in terms of physical strength, magic power, and will.

Tatsumaki's has no physical strength (as seen in an Audiobook, psychic users are Human Level in physical strength without their psychic powers) and has no magic power (Psychokinesis ≠ Magic Power in OPM).

 

[Majinere566]

She’s also equipped with Balor’s eye which allows her to read her opponents mind and plans, which means she knows Tatsumaki would try to crush her before she does it, therefore making precautions before anything happens.

 

[Phoenks]

Idrk since she tried on Saitama but i don’t know if she wanted to kill him

She literally used her full power on Saitama wtf are you talking about

 

[Phoenks]

She quite literally only needs to read her mind and just before she act on her thought based LS Crush Merlin quite literally responds with her instant TP. She literally has all the advantages in this scenario

You can't have your cake and eat it too.

The instant she tries reading her mind she dies to Tatsumaki's thought-based TK crush.

Why are y'all being so illogical about this lol

 

[JustANormalPerson01]

Yeah, basically what Phoenks said.

If she spends the time Tatsumaki uses her thought based TK crush reading her thoughts, she'd just die.

And that's asuming she's using it at that moment, or that she can see Tatsumaki at all at 4km of distance due to SBA and no enhanced senses on her profile from what I've seen

 

[speedster352]

This is going nowhere here are the win conditions.
Merlin’s thought based BFR which is thousands of kilometres and first move.
Tatsumaki thought based telekinesis.
Arguments that where not addressed
If Merlin sends Tatsumaki 1000+ kilometres away how does she respond?

 

[JustANormalPerson01]

From what I've seen in the discussion, BFR is not the only Merlin's oppening move. She seems to first spend time analyzing others' strength, reading their mind, trying to null or reflect their magic (which wouldn't work since magic and psychic energy are not the same in OPM), or similar.

So, even assuming Tatsumaki cannot come back from the BFR (though, as long as it's not interdimensional, she can come back before the 1 week incon condition happens), she would still win more times than not due to Merlin having more than one opening move that'd lead to her win

 

[The_man_with_the_Midas_touch]

This battle really feels like this meme where the top is "Merlin gets TK crushed" and the bottom is "Merlin instantly analyses everything about her, processes this information, and uses one of the few opening moves that could win her the fight, all before Tats twists her into a meat puddle"

voting Tats for Kachon, Phoenks, and others reasoning here.

 

[speedster352]

From what I've seen in the discussion, BFR is not the only Merlin's oppening move. She seems to first spend time analyzing others' strength, reading their mind, trying to null or reflect their magic (which wouldn't work since magic and psychic energy are not the same in OPM), or similar.

So, even assuming Tatsumaki cannot come back from the BFR (though, as long as it's not interdimensional, she can come back before the 1 week incon condition happens), she would still win more times than not due to Merlin having more than one opening move that'd lead to her win

Her starting move is to send the opponent away. I am not sure what else they are arguing for. If Tatsumaki tries to go back the teleportation would happen again didn’t you see the Vivian scan she would be teleported forever or just sent to a different dimension. This is either a Merlin win or inconclusive because of Aldan which can hid her soul and still activate teleportation magic.

 

[karo_senpaii]

My stance has not changed from start to end of this match. I just really don't care that much to do a back and forth about it. Tatsumaki crushes Merlin body and she transfers to her sacred treasure. Arthur with ESP could not sense both Merlin soul and her sacred treasure so tatsumaki literally thinks she has won. At that point there is so much wincons for Merlin to do from hence you can pick yourself. The easiest is bfr.

So kindly put my vote for merlin

 

[Kachon123]

My stance has not changed from start to end of this match. I just really don't care that much to do a back and forth about it. Tatsumaki crushes Merlin body and she transfers to her sacred treasure. Arthur with ESP could not sense both Merlin soul and her sacred treasure so tatsumaki literally thinks she has won. At that point there is so much wincons for Merlin to do from hence you can pick yourself. The easiest is bfr.

So kindly put my vote for merlin

It's already been established that her transfer does not work if she dies instantly. Stop repeating things from several pages ago that have already been debunked. It's unproductive and counterintuitive to the point of versus matches.

 

[karo_senpaii]

It's already been established that her transfer does not work if she dies instantly. Stop repeating things from several pages ago that have already been debunked. It's unproductive and counterintuitive to the point of versus matches.

Dude you expect me to believe crushing someone makes the person die instantly? What science is that?

 

[Kachon123]

Dude you expect me to believe crushing someone makes the person die instantly? What science is that?

Usually when your internal organs are instantly ruptured and imploded to the cellular level while you instantly turn to spaghetti before disappearing entirely, you die instantly.