Tatsumaki (OPM) vs Merlin (NNT)

[Phoenks]

You guys keep pushing the goal post. Again she has only a 50/50 chance of surviving the first second of this fight.

Her best options are thought-based win conditions.

Thought-based win conditions VS thought-based win conditions is a draw.

If Merlin doesn't use one of those conditions 100% of the time she loses the battle overall.

So the match is either inconclusive (best case scenario for Merlin) or a Tatsumaki victory.

Merlin's versatility doesn't help her in this fight. It just makes Tatsumaki's one condition a lot easier to pull off overall.

You can't just think about the fight as being a singular battle. You have to think of it as like "who wins the majority of the time if they fought x amount of battles"

There is no argument brought up so far that makes Merlin the winner of this fight.

 

[Kachon123]

She also need concentration to use her TK, an increase in concentration increase her psychic powers the bfr spam would just **** up her psychic powers

Well that's definitely one way to tell someone you haven't read OPM without telling me them haven't read OPM

Tatsumaki does NOT need concentration or any type of focus to use her TK or increase it's power. Tatsumaki was simply multitasking and could give Psykorochi her attention, which she couldn't before because she had to cover every single one of the heroes in barriers while keeping the energy used in them low in order to avoid having them detected. Tatsumaki literally uses her TK for every single task, even brushing teeth and moving her remote, it wouldn't make sense if she needed to concentrate to use her abilities.

 

[Kachon123]

I also don’t see how she gets past Double Impact which basically identifies which of the 4 natural elements less resilient to, fill the very air with elemental traps that activate the moment she makes the tiniest of move and her resistance drops every hit and added on the fact that she basically suspends the time of her spell meaning it goes on forever.

The same way she got past Boros' Ship's bombardment. My stopping all of the spells in place. In fact, knowing Tatsumaki she'd just send them right back to Merlin.

 

[Redcated]

Why absolute cancel is an argument here when tatsumaki is not using magic?

Also feats for perfect cube reflecting tk

 

[Majinere566]

The same way she got past Boros' Ship's bombardment. My stopping all of the spells in place. In fact, knowing Tatsumaki she'd just send them right back to Merlin.

Boro’s ship bombardment isn’t filling the air itself with auto traps that will spawn again to attack even if she tries sending it back.

Even if she tries sending it back again, Merlin simply nullifies it

 

[Redcated]

I also don’t see how she gets past Double Impact which basically identifies which of the 4 natural elements less resilient to, fill the very air with elemental traps that activate the moment she makes the tiniest of move and her resistance drops every hit and added on the fact that she basically suspends the time of her spell meaning it goes on forever.

Simple, she won't be able use that before getting crush because not only it's not thought base it also requires prep which she wouldn't get

 

[Makai641001]

Why absolute cancel is an argument here when tatsumaki is not using magic?

Isn’t it equalized ?

Also feats for perfect cube reflecting tk

We don’t really argue for reflection, PC just stops anything from entering inside it will just null the TK grab

 

[Kachon123]

Boro’s ship bombardment isn’t filling the air itself with auto traps that will spawn again to attack even if she tries sending it back.

Okay lol? Tatsumaki showed through stopping Boros' bombardment that her TK can completely stop all attacks within an area nearly as large as City A itself, meaning she can stop spells that are "filling up the air." She literally pulverized a bunch of stone, turning the resulting land into a canyon and controlled all of the dust, which also filled up the air.

Tatsumaki could also just body-tank it with her passive Psychic Aura, or create a massive barrier to entrap the spells and shrink it in order to contain and send all of them far away from her.

 

[Kachon123]

We don’t really argue for reflection, PC just stops anything from entering inside it will just null the TK grab

TK spawns on the target.

 

[Majinere566]

Simple, she won't be able use that before getting crush because not only it's not thought base it also requires prep which she wouldn't get

She isn’t getting crushed whilst Teleporting around which was when she set these traps up by the way.

 

[Kachon123]

She isn’t getting crushed whilst Teleporting around which was when she set these traps up by the way.

Why not?

 

[Makai641001]

TK spawns on the target.

PC will cut Her TK off…

 

[Redcated]

Isn’t it equalized ?

Nope, also what is there to equalized? Magic and tk are not same enough for it to be equapized

We don’t really argue for reflection, PC just stops anything from entering inside it will just null the TK grab

Trapping her inside of Perfect Cube, Tatsumaki can’t really get out of it and will take her own abilities reflected back at her if she tries to attack it

^

 

[Redcated]

PC will cut Her TK off…

Scan?

 

[Kachon123]

PC will cut Her TK off…

Based on?

 

[Makai641001]

Nope, also what is there to equalized? Magic and tk are not same enough for it to be equapized

In NNT TK is magic

^

If she tries to use TK and Merlin uses PC it will cut the TK off

If Tats try to send rocks using TK it will be reflected back.

If Tats tries to use TK it will activate automatic traps and kill her

 

[Majinere566]

Okay lol? Tatsumaki showed through stopping Boros' bombardment that her TK can completely stop all attacks within an area nearly as large as City A itself, meaning she can stop spells that are "filling up the air." She literally pulverized a bunch of stone, turning the resulting land into a canyon and controlled all of the dust, which also filled up the air.

Tatsumaki could also just body-tank it with her passive Psychic Aura, or create a massive barrier to entrap the spells and shrink it in order to contain and send all of them far away from her.

Okay lol? Tatsumaki showed through stopping Boros' bombardment that her TK can completely stop all attacks within an area nearly as large as City A itself, meaning she can stop spells that are "filling up the air." She literally pulverized a bunch of stone, turning the resulting land into a canyon and controlled all of the dust, which also filled up the air.

From what I’m seeing there’s multiple gaps between each shell, pockets of space. Air. She’s stopped each individual shells the size of buildings, I don’t see how she’s precise and accurate enough to stop each spell trap that is integrated in the very air she’s breathing

From this I don’t see how she is now pushing back spells that work in conjunction with the air around her.

The canyon point is literally still the same thing, There’s still air particles within the entrapment, meaning Merlin’s attack can still be in effect.


The fact that she’s still talking and you can quite literally see space in her barrier. It’s the same thing as what I just said.

 

[Phoenks]

Isn’t it equalized ?

Psychic energy is not even close to magic. It can't be equalized. There are many power systems in the OPM verse. They are all very clearly distinct from magic.

 

[Kachon123]

From what I’m seeing there’s multiple gaps between each shell, pockets of space. Air. She’s stopped each individual shells the size of buildings, I don’t see how she’s precise and accurate enough to stop each spell trap that is integrated in the very air she’s breathing

And do you think Merlin will have more than a city block worth of air filled with spells? You're being extremely generous to Merlin.

 

[Makai641001]

And do you think Merlin will have more than a city block worth of air filled with spells? You're being extremely generous to Merlin.

She can technically spawn them infinitely so… Yeah

They also actuvate when ever She uses tk

 

[Kachon123]

The canyon point is literally still the same thing, There’s still air particles within the entrapment

Tatsumaki was literally holding onto trillions metric tons of dust. There is no gap between the wave of dust as it was literally solid stone pulverized and moved.

 

[Kachon123]

She can technically spawn them infinitely so… Yeah

They also actuvate when ever She uses tk

As in, before Tatsumaki just crushes Merlin and neutralizes Double Impact. The answer is no.

 

[Phoenks]

Psychic energy is not even close to magic. It can't be equalized. There are many power systems in the OPM verse. They are all very clearly distinct from magic.

Wait a second btw you've been going off the assumption that Merlin sometimes used a power null ability that doesn't even work on Tats.

In that case, every time she starts with that Tatsumaki wins the match. So add that to your tally.

 

[Kachon123]

From what I’m seeing there’s multiple gaps between each shell, pockets of space. Air. She’s stopped each individual shells the size of buildings, I don’t see how she’s precise and accurate enough to stop each spell trap that is integrated in the very air she’s breathing

From this I don’t see how she is now pushing back spells that work in conjunction with the air around her.

The canyon point is literally still the same thing, There’s still air particles within the entrapment, meaning Merlin’s attack can still be in effect.


The fact that she’s still talking and you can quite literally see space in her barrier. It’s the same thing as what I just said.

Also very funny how you did not mention the fact that Tatsumaki can just tank the attacks and crush Merlin to a cellular level.

 

[Redcated]

Aside from thought base teleportation any Merlin's wincon is nulled at the fact it's not fast enough or required prep

Even that wincon assumes that Merlin somehow knows Tatsumaki's range.

 

[Kachon123]

Is the argument that Merlin would start the match and teleport Tatsumaki away or teleport herself around to set up traps?

 

[Phoenks]

The argument by the opposition completely falls apart when you realize they are arguing that Merlin has like 10 different starting moves and only like 2 of them are actually viable to prevent her from instantly dying.

The opposition thus has dug their own grave because now they have to argue that Merlin doesn't do any of the starting moves they were previously arguing for.

 

[Makai641001]

The argument by the opposition completely falls apart when you realize they are arguing that Merlin has like 10 different starting moves and only like 2 of them are actually viable to prevent her from instantly dying.

Give Tats the Vivian treatment

Use PC when Tats tries to crush her or at the beginning of the fight

Infinite undetectable and unavoidable traps that activate when Tats tries to use her powers (The prep time was to lower Chandler and Cuzack resistances) and spawn infinitely ON her

Use TP while Using PC while spawning traps

The opposition thus has dug their own grave because now they have to argue that Merlin doesn't do any of the starting moves they were previously arguing for.

She just has many ways to go and can protect herself from Tats only win con…

 

[Kachon123]

Use PC when Tats tries to crush her or at the beginning of the fight

There is no proof that PC can deflect Tatsumaki's psychic abilities.

 

[Catbowtie]

Voting Tatsumaki because she wins more often than not with her instant TK crush ability.

 

[Epiccheev]

Iirc magic does exist in OPM but it's a very obscure power that's only talked about by the Dragon cultists, and it's separate from psychic energy. PC can only nullify magic, right? What makes magic something that can be equalized to psychic powers in this scenario?

 

[Majinere566]

PC seems to reflect “all powers” I’m going to see if there’s any other translation tho

 

[Robo432343]

Iirc magic does exist in OPM but it's a very obscure power that's only talked about by the Dragon cultists, and it's separate from psychic energy. PC can only nullify magic, right? What makes magic something that can be equalized to psychic powers in this scenario?

Because telekinesis is magic I think

 

[Majinere566]

Also very funny how you did not mention the fact that Tatsumaki can just tank the attacks and crush Merlin to a cellular level.

She’s not tho.

The first wave identifys what element she is least resilient to.

The Second wave decreases her resistance to said element, and with each attack with her infinity their resistance decreases

Which is accompanied by
attack magic" with "invisibility," "imperception," "auto-tracking" and "Infinity.", to make her attack less predictable. If tatsumaki wants to avoid this by snapping her finger using her psychic powers she gets hit and her resistance drops

It worked against Chandler and Cusack who are stated to have no weaknesses, so it should work on Tats

And do you think Merlin will have more than a city block worth of air filled with spells? You're being extremely generous to Merlin.

When she performed this feat she was in an enclosed area. According to SBA, the battle takes place in Central Park, New York City. whilst having a range of 299km at the very minimum and we have seen she usually sets up her trap while teleporting around. I might be being a little generous but it’s seems logical enough from my pov

 

[Kachon123]

She’s not tho.

The first wave identifys what element she is least resilient to.

The Second wave decreases her resistance to said element, and with each attack with her infinity their resistance decreases
Which is accompanied by
attack magic" with "invisibility," "imperception," "auto-tracking" and "Infinity.", to make her attack less predictable. If tatsumaki wants to avoid this by snapping her finger using her psychic powers she gets hit and her resistance drops

It worked against Chandler and Cusack who are stated to have no weaknesses, so it should work on Tats

Unfortunately, Tatsumaki is coating herself with her own Psychic energy. There's no special resistance, just an armor of her energy. It would not work.

I'm going to stop arguing this point because there's no proof that it would even get there. Merlin's starting move does lot let her avoid getting insta-killed by Tatsumaki.

 

[Majinere566]

Merlin has information analysis which allows her to read other people’s strengths so she would know off the bat the difference in power in LS between her and Tatsumaki.

She’s also equipped with Balor’s eye which allows her to read her opponents mind and plans, which means she knows Tatsumaki would try to crush her before she does it, therefore making precautions before anything happens.

She could take action by spammably bfr Tatsumaki out of her range away and even use infinity to suspend the time of the spell, making it last forever.

She could also literally stop time if she wanted to on Tats

She could also use double impact from the get go and I have already explained what happens with it in this post

She’s not tho.

The first wave identifys what element she is least resilient to.

The Second wave decreases her resistance to said element, and with each attack with her infinity their resistance decreases
Which is accompanied by
attack magic" with "invisibility," "imperception," "auto-tracking" and "Infinity.", to make her attack less predictable. If tatsumaki wants to avoid this by snapping her finger using her psychic powers she gets hit and her resistance drops

It worked against Chandler and Cusack who are stated to have no weaknesses, so it should work on Tats

When she performed this feat she was in an enclosed area. According to SBA, the battle takes place in Central Park, New York City. whilst having a range of 299km at the very minimum and we have seen she usually sets up her trap while teleporting around. I might be being a little generous but it’s seems logical enough from my pov

I’m voting Merlin

 

[Kachon123]

Merlin has information analysis which allows her to read other people’s strengths so she would know off the bat the difference in power in LS between her and Tatsumaki.

She’s also equipped with Balor’s eye which allows her to read her opponents mind and plans, which means she knows Tatsumaki would try to crush her before she does it, therefore making precautions before anything happens.

She could take action by spammably bfr Tatsumaki out of her range away and even use infinity to suspend the time of the spell, making it last forever.

She could also use double impact from the get go and I have already explained what happens with it in this post

If Merlin spends the time to assess Tatsumaki's strength, she'd be dead. Tatsumaki doesn't even let her enemies finish their sentences before she kills them.

 

[speedster352]

By the way Merlin does send her opponents max distance all the time as shown with Vivian and Galand. Galand got lucky and managed to leap out of her range and back in like a second. My vote stays with Merlin.

 

[Kachon123]

By the way Merlin does send her opponents max distance all the time as shown with Vivian and Galand. Galand got lucky and managed to leap out of her range and back in like a second. My vote stays with Merlin.

Merlin's max range is 299 km.

Tatsumaki's max range is 441 km. Invalid reason for voting

 

[speedster352]

Merlin's max range is 299 km.

Tatsumaki's max range is 441 km. Invalid reason for voting

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