Asta vs Merlin

[Rabbit2002]

I said 3k kilometers, as in 3000km

Yes, I saw, I misunderstood your argument about 3km because the highest Asta profile is only km with Devil Union and Ten meters with Anti Magic.

Anyway, judging from Asta's profile, his range cannot reach the Merlin unless your 3000km range has been applied before

Merlin can't even attack as far as she teleports anyway , so even if she goes out of Asta's range, what does she do next?


Actually, wouldn't that be a self induced BFR? Cuz the only thing she can do at this point is either come back to her attacks' range or TP Asta, which won't work because of AM.

As I said, she is not a fighter like Meliodas or Ban, she will not face her enemies and rush into direct combat unless she has some preparation with analysis enemy's strength to determine their weakness. So she basically keeps her distance from her enemies until she figures out how to fight them

 

[Killerdrone123]

Voting for asta zetten gg

 

[Joshyyy_64]

I vote Asta. I've already stated my reasons

 

[ReaperAndBlues]

Asta Zettens her and turns her into Gojo FRA

 

[Epsilon_R]

As I said, she is not a fighter like Meliodas or Ban, she will not face her enemies and rush into direct combat unless she has some preparation with analysis enemy's strength to determine their weakness. So she basically keeps her distance from her enemies until she figures out how to fight them

And with what exactly will she fight him is the question

Because nothing has been said about Merlin doing anything other than teleport away from Asta.

 

[Epsilon_R]

Anyway, I think we hit grace so I'll just leave it there.

Inb4, if we didn't, we're pretty close to it, so no need to tag me about not hitting grace.

 

[King_Gorilla4002-8922]

Asta FRA

 

[Majinere566]

Since Merlin has no wincon at all isn’t this spite?

 

[Makai641001]

What was the response to Asta anticipating where she will appear with precog and using Zetten in the area?

Someone is bound to have mentioned this right? Cuz Teleportation has shown to be nothing to Asta consistently throughout the series.

Her being able to tp hundreds to thousands of km away and being able to automatically re tp infintely, though if he can null tp she Is ******

 

[Makai641001]

And with what exactly will she fight him is the question

Because nothing has been said about Merlin doing anything other than teleport away from Asta.

Her main win condition is that she can spawn infinitely traps that attack automatically and amp them, weakening Asta’s resistances each time he gets trapped.
(Absolute Cancel couldn’t do shit against it)

Infinite TP can keep her at a distance since she can TP thousands of miles away, until her information analysis allow her to find a way to beat Asta.

BFR him inside Purgatory like she did to Hawk.

Though if he can null everything without limits This debate Is useless.

 

[King_Gorilla4002-8922]

Her main win condition is that she can spawn infinitely traps that attack automatically and amp them, weakening Asta’s resistances each time he gets trapped.
(Absolute Cancel couldn’t do shit against it)

Infinite TP can keep her at a distance since she can TP thousands of miles away, until her information analysis allow her to find a way to beat Asta.

BFR him inside Purgatory like she did to Hawk.

Though if he can null everything without limits This debate Is useless.

Asta nullifies everything and also resists information analysis

 

[Rabbit2002]

Asta nullifies everything and also resists information analysis

Asta resists information analysis by reading Kiato's Assimilation movements, not because others cannot read Asta's power. I kind of doubt this is a resistance feat since it's more like a layer information analysis than a resistance

 

[Rabbit2002]

Anyway, Merlin doesn't have the wincon to harm Asta but Asta can't approach Merlin either so I guess it's more like an inconclusive match

 

[Epsilon_R]

Anyway, Merlin doesn't have the wincon to harm Asta but Asta can't approach Merlin either so I guess it's more like an inconclusive match

He negs her teleportation with Causality Manip, we already went over this

Her main win condition is that she can spawn infinitely traps that attack automatically and amp them, weakening Asta’s resistances each time he gets trapped.
(Absolute Cancel couldn’t do shit against it)

Asta’s has Causality based Negation, Absolute Cancel doesn't, so right of the bat, they're not comparable.
And the weakening effects would also be taken care of with Causality break, that's something Asta has done against Damnatio.

Infinite TP can keep her at a distance since she can TP thousands of miles away, until her information analysis allow her to find a way to beat Asta.

BFR him inside Purgatory like she did to Hawk.

Anti-Magic renders Asta unable to be teleported, that is something Yuno (someone who not only has interdimensional BFR too, but even has Anti-Magic resistance) couldn't do.

So yeah, BFR ain't happening.

Though if he can null everything without limits This debate Is useless.

In this case yeah, teleportation and magic effects are something Anti-Magic has shown to work on.

And Merlin doesn't seem to have resistance to powernull, much less one that works by affecting Causality itself.

 

[Kazuma_kuwabara]

Anyway, Merlin doesn't have the wincon to harm Asta but Asta can't approach Merlin either so I guess it's more like an inconclusive match

Merlin someday has to do something

if she does not attack Asta for 24 hours is automatic BFR from her part as it will considered that she abandoned the fight

If she enter in Asta range she loses as Asta nulls her teleport and he is not doing anything to tire himself out in this fight and he can last 3 days mid fight, make that even longer if he takes breaks

Merlin is not taking more than 3 days to think a plan, and any plan she thinks is useless because Antimagic nullifies her powers

Stomp like I said since the beginning of this fight

I can't believe I forgot to click on "post reply" for 5 hours

 

[Rabbit2002]

He negs her teleportation with Causality Manip, we already went over this

The problem here is how can he negs if he can't reach to her distance?

Merlin someday has to do something

if she does not attack Asta for 24 hours is automatic BFR from her part as it will considered that she abandoned the fight

If she enter in Asta range she loses as Asta nulls her teleport and he is not doing anything to tire himself out in this fight and he can last 3 days mid fight, make that even longer if he takes breaks

Merlin is not taking more than 3 days to think a plan, and any plan she thinks is useless because Antimagic nullifies her powers

Stomp like I said since the beginning of this fight

I can't believe I forgot to click on "post reply" for 5 hours

I'm not saying she won't fight; she does, but most of the time she uses her skills to probe and find Asta's weakness or something, while Asta can't even get close to her. Since she is smart and can trick people, so it's possible that she will buy time until Asta is worn out

 

[Makai641001]

He negs her teleportation with Causality Manip, we already went over this

He has to get close to her to do so.

Asta’s has Causality based Negation, Absolute Cancel doesn't, so right of the bat, they're not comparable.

Good luck to null infinite traps that activate automatically we saw magic attacks dealing damage to him AM Is just an armor

And the weakening effects would also be taken care of with Causality break, that's something Asta has done against Damnatio.

He’ll have to deal with it infinitely tho without her ever tiring

Anti-Magic renders Asta unable to be teleported, that is something Yuno (someone who not only has interdimensional BFR too, but even has Anti-Magic resistance) couldn't do.

So yeah, BFR ain't happening.

I’ll trust you on this One

In this case yeah, teleportation and magic effects are something Anti-Magic has shown to work on.

And Merlin doesn't seem to have resistance to powernull, much less one that works by affecting Causality itself.

She resists Powernull but AM was shown to be able to Null up to a certain point.

Her AP isn’t high enough to deal loads of damage

 

[Epsilon_R]

He has to get close to her to do so.

Good luck to null infinite traps that activate automatically we saw magic attacks dealing damage to him AM Is just an armor

Only characters outclassing him in power can damage him in Devil Union, Merlin is quite a few time weaker than Asta's base form. A clear difference.

Also, Asta has passive Anti-Magic, he would quite honestly neg her spells the moment she casts them.

He’ll have to deal with it infinitely tho without her ever tiring

It's a semi-automatic Forcefield, that's easily taken care of.

She resists Powernull but AM was shown to be able to Null up to a certain point.

Her AP isn’t high enough to deal loads of damage

A mere resistance wouldn't be enough anyway, cuz Yuno also has one.

Anyways, grace is over I think

 

[Joshyyy_64]

Tally? This getting added to pages?

 

[speedster352]

This needs to be closed it can't be added maybe another new character can be used against Asta.

 

[speedster352]

Only characters outclassing him in power can damage him in Devil Union, Merlin is quite a few time weaker than Asta's base form. A clear difference.

Also, Asta has passive Anti-Magic, he would quite honestly neg her spells the moment she casts them.

It's a semi-automatic Forcefield, that's easily taken care of.

A mere resistance wouldn't be enough anyway, cuz Yuno also has one.

Anyways, grace is over I think

Merlin resists curse manipulation and strong power nullification which are law based.
This match doesn't work but I just needed to clarify that. Like this match only works with a nnt character that doesn't primarily used magic to fight

 

[Arnoldstone18]

Her being able to tp hundreds to thousands of km away and being able to automatically re tp infintely, though if he can null tp she Is ******

Asta.. will tell she’s running thousands of km away and just let her do it?

She’s of no threat. Lame argument.

Her main win condition is that she can spawn infinitely traps that attack automatically and amp them, weakening Asta’s resistances each time he gets trapped.
(Absolute Cancel couldn’t do shit against it)

(Yeah it can… nothing to do with Anti Magic.)

Asta resists information analysis by reading Kiato's Assimilation movements, not because others cannot read Asta's power. I kind of doubt this is a resistance feat since it's more like a layer information analysis than a resistance

He resists info analysis via making his moves unpredictable to those who have info analysis similar to Ki.

He simply got those moves by assimilating Kiato’s fighting style to his.

I'm not saying she won't fight; she does, but most of the time she uses her skills to probe and find Asta's weakness or something, while Asta can't even get close to her. Since she is smart and can trick people, so it's possible that she will buy time until Asta is worn out

So she needs to figure out Asta’s moves and abilities? Yeah Asta just negates her before she teleports lol and speed blitz with Zetten. Your points are moot since Asta can read her moves and outright stop her from doing anything that puts him at a disadvantage.

Intelligence doesn’t matter here in this case at all.

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Lol is match over already??

 

[speedster352]

Asta.. will tell she’s running thousands of km away and just let her do it?

She’s of no threat. Lame argument.



(Yeah it can… nothing to do with Anti Magic.)



He resists info analysis via making his moves unpredictable to those who have info analysis similar to Ki.

He simply got those moves by assimilating Kiato’s fighting style to his.



So she needs to figure out Asta’s moves and abilities? Yeah Asta just negates her before she teleports lol and speed blitz with Zetten. Your points are moot since Asta can read her moves and outright stop her from doing anything that puts him at a disadvantage.

Intelligence doesn’t matter here in this case at all.

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Lol is match over already??

Merlin resist law based powernull will that work here? Limited Law Manipulation (Created The Commandments that are distributed to selected warriors, which contain power that cannot be violated by the enemy or the owner. Like Galand who received the power of the commandment, but because he broke the rules set forth he was exposed to the consequences),

 

[Arnoldstone18]

…

She doesn’t.

Please I’m not going to engage with you if you can’t understand your own scans and use it in your arguments properly.

 

[speedster352]

If that's the case this match doesn't work and is probably a stomp

 

[Rabbit2002]

He resists info analysis via making his moves unpredictable to those who have info analysis similar to Ki.

He simply got those moves by assimilating Kiato’s fighting style to his.

I have read his profile and the justification for info analayis isn't in this way

So she needs to figure out Asta’s moves and abilities? Yeah Asta just negates her before she teleports lol and speed blitz with Zetten. Your points are moot since Asta can read her moves and outright stop her from doing anything that puts him at a disadvantage.

Intelligence doesn’t matter here in this case at all.

If Asta can make a move, then why doesn't Merlin make a move like keeping Asta at a distance with her teleportation before he can reach her? I don't think Asta can read her moves since she has a huge distance advantage and can even teleport until he runs out of stamina

 

[karo_senpaii]

Why are you guys voting? Y'all should be requesting this stomp match closed.

A mage vs someone who's ability is to cancel magic at every front and is also one shot level worthy of faster and stronger?

Does merlin even have a win con?

 

[Arnoldstone18]

SDS fans claim she does so..

 

[Epsilon_R]

Law Based Powernull =/= Causality based Powernull

Just because it she can resist one doesn't mean she can resist the other

 

[Arnoldstone18]

She doesn’t even resist law based power null

 

[karo_senpaii]

SDS fans claim she does so..

In delulu land maybe