Tatsumaki (OPM) tornado of terror Vs Madara Uchiha

[Shadowbokunohero]

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[Omega998]

Tatsumaki already got 8 vote(or you deny me?)

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

il add you now but the winner needs to have 3 more than the opponent

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

i did count your vote so it stays at 7

 

[Omega998]

What i said above is about edo madara.

Btw from what i see 4 vote for tatsumaki or 5 not sure about AquaWaifu

Here already 5 + Cropfist + Spartan1204 + Meosos

or i count same peason

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

yeah i read it again it is 8

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

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[Shadowbokunohero]

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[Shadowbokunohero]

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[Dzhindzholia]

Madaras complete susanoo has large islande lvl dura,how is she going to harm him if his perfect susanoo is hundreds of times stronger.Madara has a lot more hax,she cant bfr him until he has susanoo,i doubt she would be able to lift it.

 

[AquaWaifu]

uhhhh her AP is large island level +. Madara's Dura is not "hundreds of times stronger"

She also casually lifted huge parts of the destroyed A-City, which I would put are probably on the same weight level as Madara's Susanoo.

 

[Dzhindzholia]

Perfect Susanoo is a lot more stronger than complete susanoo,its a fact.And i dont see her lifting his susanoo,she could barely hold saitama in the air and not because he is heavy,because he is strong enough,i dont know how to explain it better,if he was really that heavy he would just fall into the ground.I read whole Naruto and OPM,i know everything about Madara and almost everything about Tatsumaki.Dont see her winning this.Vote for him.(sry for my English

 

[AquaWaifu]

Perfect Susanoo is a lot more stronger than complete susanoo,its a fact.And i dont see her lifting his susanoo,she could barely hold saitama in the air and not because he is heavy,because he is strong enough,i dont know how to explain it better,if he was really that heavy he would just fall into the ground.I read whole Naruto and OPM,i know everything about Madara and almost everything about Tatsumaki.Dont see her winning this.Vote for him.(sry for my English

Madara does not even compare to Saitama. Tatsumaki not being able to effect Saitama doesnt mean she cant deal with VS battles current tier of Saitama being at least high 6-A, its her dealing with what is likely his much higher unknown tier.


She was, in a weakened state, able to immobilize to an extent Garou if I recall.

Edo Madara's AP with Perfect Susanoo is Mountain level. the only thing that puts Edo Madara's AP at Large Island level is his Tengai Shinsei.

 

[Dzhindzholia]

Madaras PS is stronger than Kurama(Post Narutos Power up),which means he can do damage on that lvl.With Saitama it was just an example that your weight isnt that important than your strength.Still doubt she can lift him and bfr.He is immortal anyway.

 

[Joseph619]

Madara one shots with genjutsu. Take away half of Madara's hax then we have a fair match

 

[AquaWaifu]

Madara one shots with genjutsu. Take away half of Madara's hax then we have a fair match

What, you do you know she can manipulate chi right? in verse equalization thats the same thing as chakra. Being a psychic I could see as being able to resist to some extent, regardless that requires direct eye contact and since she is generally flying around high in the air, thats not easy to get.

Stop wanking Madara. Only his best attacks could do any damage to her, Stuff like his susanoo maybe and Tengai Shinsei.

 

[Dzhindzholia]

Wanking?Dont use words like that,just facts,thats all.

 

[AquaWaifu]

Wanking?Dont use words like that,just facts,thats all.

I will when someone says Madara can apparently oneshot Tats with genjutsu disregarding everything she has and saying that to make it fair he'd have to have half of his skills removed.

I want an explanation stating how she could not resist Genjutsu even slightly.

 

[Joseph619]

Being a psychic I could see as being able to resist to some extent, regardless that requires direct eye contact and since she is generally flying around high in the air, thats not easy to get.

Stop wanking Madara. Only his best attacks could do any damage to her, Stuff like his susanoo maybe and Tengai Shinsei.

Funny you accuse me of wanking yet you only assume Tatsumaki could resist genjutsu. Being pyschic has nothing to do with being resistant to telepathy. Telepathy Ôëá telekinesis. Even genin and chunin are taught to dispel genjutsu in Narutoverse, yet Madara one shotted raikage with genjutsu. Verse equalization doesn't give you resistance/immunity to hax. You need feats for that. Try agai

 

[Spartan1204]

Telepathy is a psychic ability. Tatsumaki can deflect psychic signals.

 

[Joseph619]

Telepathy is a psychic ability. Tatsumaki can deflect psychic signals.

So can fodder ninja's in Naruto. Part 1 kid Sakura deflected genjutsu. Yet Madara one shotted fouth raikage. Tatsumaki has no feat of resistance to mind control, does she?

 

[AquaWaifu]

@Joseph619 Fourth Raikage is also more than an entire tier below Tatsumaki at his BEST.


I fail to see how Genjutsu in verse equalization is dissimilar to psychic abilities. She has chi/aura manipulation. She is an adept ESP user.

 

[Joseph619]

@Joseph619 Fourth Raikage is also more than an entire tier below Tatsumaki at his BEST.

I fail to see how Genjutsu in verse equalization is dissimilar to psychic abilities. She has chi/aura manipulation. She is an adept ESP user.

Because verse equalization doesn't equalize hax. There are many different types of psychic abilities which are independent of each other. Telepathy and telekinesis are not same or similar. You're saying that Tatsumaki can move, so just because she can swim she can also fly. Swimming doesn't grant you flight, no matter how well you move. Having chi manipulation doesn't put her above kid Sakura in genjutsu resistance let alone kage level beings. By your logic Martian Manhunter would not be able to mind control Tatsumaki because she's a psychic

 

[Dzhindzholia]

Wanking?Dont use words like that,just facts,thats all.

I will when someone says Madara can apparently oneshot Tats with genjutsu disregarding everything she has and saying that to make it fair he'd have to have half of his skills removed.
I want an explanation stating how she could not resist Genjutsu even slightly.

You can try to explain why it wouldnt work without using such words,she has no feats of counter illusions on that lvl,or even any illusion.See,things changed completly,and now its you turn to prove that she can counter illusions.

 

[Spartan1204]

I already explained this in a previous reply.

Her aura manipulation/psychic deflection has shown to only be close to ineffective if the source of the aura or psychic signals has limit breaking or close to limit breaking will. Even against someone with a close to limiter breaker will like Garou, she can still hold him in place for a bit while she's severely damaged. She also lifted Saitama despite his limiter breaking will and her head was still recovering. Deflecting mind manipulation signals from Madara should be no problem.

 

[Joseph619]

I already explained this in a previous reply.
Her aura manipulation/psychic deflection has shown to only be close to ineffective if the source of the aura or psychic signals has limit breaking or close to limit breaking will. Even against someone with a close to limiter breaker will like Garou, she can still hold him in place for a bit while she's severely damaged. She also lifted Saitama despite his limiter breaking will and her head was still recovering. Deflecting mind manipulation signals from Madara should be no problem.

Once again

Telepathy Ôëá telekinesis

Both are different abilities

It does not matter how well Tatsumaki can you TK. Until she has show resistance to illusion, Madara puts her into a dream. Just like Itachi put Kurenai. Tatsumaki's TK level is completely irrelevant

 

[AquaWaifu]

@Jospeh so whats stopping Tatsumaki from manipulating Madara's chakra to her will?

 

[Joseph619]

@Jospeh so whats stopping Tatsumaki from manipulating Madara's chakra to her will?

She will be wasting her efforts on a wood clone. You do remember how many abilities Madara has right? Madara actually uses his abilities in combat, he will end the fight as soon as required.

Also BTW, Edo Madara is completely immortal and possibly immune to any physical attack. He regenerates infinitely as long as Edo seal is active. You need sealing hax to get rid of him. Does Tatsumaki even know sealing?

 

[Ryukama]

I'm not knowledgable on Madara's abilities, but if it works like Mind Manipulation, it should work on her. Tatsumaki doesn't have an established resistance to Mind Hax.

With verse equalization, her chi based attacks should also work on Madara, unless he's known for having an exceptionally high willpower. In which case he could resist or even negate it.

 

[Joseph619]

I'm not knowledgable on Madara's abilities, but if it works like Mind Manipulation, it should work on her. Tatsumaki doesn't have an established resistance to Mind Hax.
With verse equalization, her chi based attacks should also work on Madara, unless he's known for having an exceptionally high willpower. In which case he could resist or even negate it.

Madara is a top tier mind manipulation user in a hax which is built on hierarchy of mind manipulation. Even grade school kids learn (genin) how to resist mind control/illusion (known as genjutsu). Madara is an Uchiha, the strongest Illusion users in Narutoverse. Uchiha can one shot people who're professional illusion user themselves. Kurenai (senior teacher (Jonin) at Leaf Village) is a genjutsu specialist. Itachi not only resisted her genjutsu but reversed it on her.

 

[AquaWaifu]

@Ryukama

I wish psychic abilities were a real thing, it'd make this much easier to think about in how telepathy works in regards to chi manipulation in general.


I will say Madara does have a high willpower, but thats in regard to Naruto with him being basically end game final villian, in regards to say Garou or OPM....Madara atleast in my opinion doesnt compare. It was shown that even in an incredibly weakened state she was able to an extent immobilize Monster Garou. I would argue that he has higher willpower than Madara.

Honestly, her best bet is to BFR him into space. Edo Madara can't fly, so if he gets caught and thrown out he can't really get back.

 

[Jonathanlighter]

I'm not knowledgable on Madara's abilities, but if it works like Mind Manipulation, it should work on her. Tatsumaki doesn't have an established resistance to Mind Hax.
With verse equalization, her chi based attacks should also work on Madara, unless he's known for having an exceptionally high willpower. In which case he could resist or even negate it.

tatsumakis chi abilities slightly affected even saitama. and saitamas durablity is >>>>>>>>>>>madaras. so madara should definitely be heavily affected by her chi abilities

 

[AquaWaifu]

@Jonathan, people seem to forget this.


But then we got that stupid debate how how he can teleport back with a genin level technique.


So...I don't know what to think, dammit Kishimoto why didn't you explain your series abilites better?


lol.

 

[Ryukama]

Durability =/= resisting a hax. And she only slightly vibrated his muscles when he wasn't aware of the attack. Once he actually tried doing something the attack did nothing at all to him. Same with Garou who eventually shrugged it off.

Either way it says Madara has soul manipulation on his profile. That should be able to do her away. Souls are not the same as chi or telepathy and Tatsumaki has never resisted a soul based attack.

 

[Joseph619]

@Ryukama
I wish psychic abilities were a real thing, it'd make this much easier to think about in how telepathy works in regards to chi manipulation in general. I will say Madara does have a high willpower, but thats in regard to Naruto with him being basically end game final villian, in regards to say Garou or OPM....Madara atleast in my opinion doesnt compare. It was shown that even in an incredibly weakened state she was able to an extent immobilize Monster Garou. I would argue that he has higher willpower than Madara.

Honestly, her best bet is to BFR him into space. Edo Madara can't fly, so if he gets caught and thrown out he can't really get back.

Willpower is not much relevant, even Kage level being (who have EXTENSIVE training in illusion dispel), get one shot by the Uchiha. Kakashi had sharingan which is and exclusive tool in countering genjutsu (as sharingan can see chakra flow in body). Yet Itachi put Kakashi under genjutsu for 3 days and Kakashi was in near coma after he was released. Genjutsu in Naruto is deadly. Even genjutsu training doesn't help you against Uchiha

 

[AquaWaifu]

@Ryukama
Dont quote me on this but Soul Manipulation is something I DONT think Edo Madara has, which is the version in this battle.


Can someone confirm WHAT exactly under his skills qualify as soul manipulation? I can't see anything on there at a glance that reads like any of them being similar to that. He has it, but does Edo Madara have it?

 

[Joseph619]

Itachi vs Kakashi (Kakashi is a genjutsu master himself by the way)

Start video from 0:51


Kakashi vs. Itachi

 

[Joseph619]

@Ryukama
Dont quote me on this but Soul Manipulation is something I DONT think Edo Madara has, which is the version in this battle.

Can someone confirm WHAT exactly under his skills qualify as soul manipulation? I can't see anything on there at a glance that reads like any of them being similar to that. He has it, but does Edo Madara have it?

Soul Rip. Madara can summon gedo mazo to steal people's soul. Nagato once soul ripped 20 people within seconds. Start from 0:25


Nagato - Summoning Jutsu Gedo Statue Kuchiyose Gedō Mazō

 

[Spartan1204]

I already explained this in a previous reply.
Her aura manipulation/psychic deflection has shown to only be close to ineffective if the source of the aura or psychic signals has limit breaking or close to limit breaking will. Even against someone with a close to limiter breaker will like Garou, she can still hold him in place for a bit while she's severely damaged. She also lifted Saitama despite his limiter breaking will and her head was still recovering. Deflecting mind manipulation signals from Madara should be no problem.

Once again
Telepathy Ôëá telekinesis

Both are different abilities

It does not matter how well Tatsumaki can you TK. Until she has show resistance to illusion, Madara puts her into a dream. Just like Itachi put Kurenai. Tatsumaki's TK level is completely irrelevant

She's not limited to telekinetic deflection, it's psychic attacks in general. It's the signal itself that's being deflected.

http://img.bato.to/comics/2013/08/03/o/read51fd2bd353279/img000003.jpg http://img.bato.to/comics/2013/08/03/o/read51fd2bd353279/img000004.jpg

 

[AquaWaifu]

@Joseph, correct me if Im wrong but Madara could summon it once he had awakened his rinnegan which was after he had been revived and no longer Edo Madara.