Swirl of the root vs the Great reason

[Grand_Saver_Ritsuka]

Nasuverse vs shin megami tensei grand battle is finally here! YAAAY!
Win via any condition.

 

[Rikimarox2]

The great reason is like, 7 times above baseline iirc.

TGR negs.

 

[Shmooply]

The great reason is like, 7 times above baseline iirc.

I think it was ten or so? Dunno.

 

[The_Axiom_of_Virgo]

Yeah another 1-A stomp match (Who would've thought?).

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

I don’t do 1-A matches, but this really should be closed. If I recall, the Swirl of the Root is baseline.

Even Metatron, the 1-A lynchpin to begin with, scales higher.

The Great Reason > Adam Kadmon = Stephen > Monado Mandala > YHVH’s Universe > Tree of Life > Lucifer > Kether (Metatron) > Binah & Chokmah = 1-A.

 

[Grand_Saver_Ritsuka]

I don’t do 1-A matches, but this really should be closed. If I recall, the Swirl of the Root is baseline.

Even Metatron, the 1-A lynchpin to begin with, scales higher.

The Great Reason > Adam Kadmon = Stephen > Monado Mandala > YHVH’s Universe > Tree of Life > Lucifer > Kether (Metatron) > Binah & Chokmah = 1-A.

is the great reason 8 layers above baseline 1-A or just 8 times stronger then baseline 1-A?

 

[Urshani]

is the great reason 8 layers above baseline 1-A or just 8 times stronger then baseline 1-A?

8 layers, it stomps

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

is the great reason 8 layers above baseline 1-A or just 8 times stronger then baseline 1-A?

Layers. Each person on the chain is ontologically higher than the last.

 

[John985]

Pretty sure it cant touch the root because of transduality.

 

[Urshani]

Pretty sure it cant touch the root because of transduality.

axiom has that but better

 

[John985]

Not on the profile though. And base on the current thread, its type 2, not type 3.

 

[Urshani]

incon \

 

[Delta333]

Pretty sure it cant touch the root because of transduality.

Why can transduality block attacks from higher transcendence

 

[Hasty12345]

Why can transduality block attacks from higher transcendence

I think the idea is, it's not that it can block the attacks, it's more without the NPI feats it straight up can't touch the root.

Think of like 3-A dude vs a 9-C ghost, the 3-A dude ap stomps but can't touch the ghost.

 

[Delta333]

I think the idea is, it's not that it can block the attacks, it's more without the NPI feats it straight up can't touch the root.

Think of like 3-A dude vs a 9-C ghost, the 3-A dude ap stomps but can't touch the ghost.

Transduality is not incorporeal

 

[Hasty12345]

Transduality is not incorporeal

ik, but I think it's the same effect is what I'm saying.

That's the only reason I can think of why it would be incon

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Pretty sure it cant touch the root because of transduality.

Oh, but it can. The Great Reason scales above numerous transdual people, such as Metatron, in which there’s no distinction between <I> and <Thou> in the Atziluth.

 

[LordGinSama]

Why is the Swirl even allowed to be used in vs matches? I'm pretty sure it's existence is more akin to that of a location as opposed to something that can fight on its own.

 

[Grand_Saver_Ritsuka]

Oh, but it can. The Great Reason scales above numerous transdual people, such as Metatron, in which there’s no distinction between <I> and <Thou> in the Atziluth.

looks like megami tensei is the new shinza banshou

 

[Grand_Saver_Ritsuka]

Why is the Swirl even allowed to be used in vs matches? I'm pretty sure it's existence is more akin to that of a location as opposed to something that can fight on its own.

hmm, then i will change it to void shiki?

 

[LordGinSama]

hmm, then i will change it to void shiki?

That's better, the Root isn't really something that can attack by itself.

 

[Hasty12345]

Why is the Swirl even allowed to be used in vs matches? I'm pretty sure it's existence is more akin to that of a location as opposed to something that can fight on its own.

Don't characters scale off it? I suppose the profile serves it's purpose.

 

[Odinson]

Swirl of the root is not a character, it cannot fight. Shiki will be better

 

[Delta333]

Change to Shiki and the result will not change

 

[Odinson]

If great reason is above baseline then it stomps. These matches are usually determined by how many steps a character is into 1-A. Root is baseline.

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

This is literally a stomp.

 

[Odinson]

"b-but NEP2 tho...." >_<

 

[LordGinSama]

Watch there's gonna be like 3 Nasuverse fans who'll try to wank the Root to being Massively above baseline.


Either that or they'll just drop a copy and pasted wall of text from one of the novels that riddled with flowerly language to say Shiki wins.

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

I had no idea there was no such animosity for that verse.

 

[The_Axiom_of_Virgo]

"b-but NEP2 tho...." >_<

The Great Reason scales above characters that can perma kill characters with NEP 2, High-Godly regen and all that BS... :/

Also keep in mind the revisions aren't even finish yet.

 

[Hasty12345]

Watch there's gonna be like 3 Nasuverse fans who'll try to wank the Root to being Massively above baseline.


Either that or they'll just drop a copy and pasted wall of text from one of the novels that riddled with flowerly language to say Shiki wins.

Isn't that how the root is 1-A to begin with

 

[Odinson]

The Great Reason scales above characters that can perma kill characters with NEP 2, High-Godly regen and all that BS... :/

Also keep in mind the revisions aren't even finish yet.

I was just saying what Nasuverse fans use to prevent stomps i.e. they bring up NEP and transduality for shiki and root.

Isn't that how the root is 1-A to begin with

Loooool

 

[LordGinSama]

B-but muh concepts

 

[LordGinSama]

I had no idea there was no such animosity for that verse.

For a good reason tbh.

 

[Hasty12345]

B-but muh concepts

M-m-muh OnToLoGiCaL tRaNscEnDenCe

 

[The_Axiom_of_Virgo]

Isn't that how the root is 1-A to begin with

Bruh... I literally couldn't process how hot this take was until it was too little too late now one of my fingers has been reduced to ashes.

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

High-Godly regen

Unfortunately, there is no High-Godly Regen in MT anymore, for that was removed in Part I. As much as I like the upgrades, I’d rather honesty over indulgence.

 

[The_Axiom_of_Virgo]

Unfortunately, there is no High-Godly Regen in MT anymore, for that was removed in Part I. As much as I like the upgrades, I’d rather honesty over indulgence.

So the P5/P5R cast won't have High-Godly anymore?

EDiT: I knew demons would lose High-Godly but I thought Persona users would keep theirs, sorry if I'm misunderstanding.

 

[Darksmash]

Isn't that how almost every verse is 1-A to begin with

FTFY

 

[Hasty12345]

FTFY

hehehehehehe