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Zeno not being able to see Dyspo is an outlier. Since he can later perceive a much faster UI Goku and JirenCryoTheMayo said:On Superman's side...Zeno has poor reactions and may lack durability. Zeno couldn't even see Dyspo (whereas Frieza could block and dodge every single attack from Dyspo, besides a single surprise punch) and the Grand Priest consistently protected Zeno.
9x as there were 18 original universesThe real cal howard said:Supes just needs to be above 2x universal to hurt Zeno so the gap would be small enough. Zeno is 8x baseline, so anything above 2x can chip.
While that's true, Superman can easily notice Zeno destroying the timeline (his Xray vision not only can see through time but he has precognition to events about to happen) He can also hop universes in seconds at worst, and even go outside of the multiverse given some time.Akreious said:If Superman timeline BFR'd Zeno then he'd probably EE the timeline along with everything in it, still killing Superman. So yeah.
No, Zeno can easily kill Superman if he goes all out, but so can Superman. The fact that both are in character means it really depends on whose willing to hit first.ProudLearner said:Isnt' this a stomp by superman?
were not saying he has the edge, were just saying since superman has ap large enough to hurt zeno and since supermans faster, this is a win for superman.The 2nd Existential Seed said:Can anyone prove that Supes has that big of an edge in AP with scans ?
The entire upgrade was a conjectureThe 2nd Existential Seed said:Can anyone prove that Supes has that big of an edge in AP with scans ?
Superman can easily kill Zeno. Zeno can easily kill Superman vía EE...CryoTheMayo said:Actually, not sure on that. I've always heard that Superman is actually fairly slow (relatively speaking) in terms of combat speed but he can accelerate to absurd speeds if he has the time to fly.
We don't really know how fast Zeno is. We know he could perceive everyone up until Dyspo's Light Bullet technique but even Champa was struggling with it and Vados seemingly implied that she, herself, was barely keeping up. If we take this literally, then Beerus probably would have struggled to perceive Dyspo's movements, when Beerus has a feat of travelling from one end of the universe to the other in 10 seconds. In-fact, Beerus's profile lists him as being 3/4th the speed of Whis, who is 498 quadrillion times the speed of light. The Dragon World is over 100x the size of our own universe (IIRC).
So Zeno may actually scale to being on-par with Beerus and Champa's reactions, who would both scale to travelling from one end of the universe to the other end in under 10 seconds. As a result, Zeno is probably at least comparable to Superman's own reflexes.