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Super Sonic Rebuff

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Yeah SHTH never existed during it but Shadow behaviour in Battle implies it takes place after SHTH because he actually remembers his past and doesn't mention having amnesia.
 
Don't get me wrong, I think 4-A should be the low end because if the Emeralds were weaker than the FEB, Eggman would have no reason to continue searching for them if he could just use that to kill Sonic.

Just having an earlier release date doesn't always mean the game takes place before a game with a later one.
 
UltimateFlare said:
Yeah SHTH never existed during it but Shadow behaviour in Battle implies it takes place after SHTH because he actually remembers his past and doesn't mention having amnesia.
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Shadow in Heroes at the end didn't really care about his amnesia or being the real Shadow, his own game kinda ignored that:https://youtu.be/zYkyUT0ZTIg
 
Also, Eggman never uses the emeralds for hax.

Eggman can build a giant 4-A death laser in a few days. Why would he go for the emeralds, which usually takes much longer.
 
Base Sonic has consistent feats of being higher than 4-A.

https://feats-and-respect-thread.fandom.com/wiki/Sonic_Characters_Tier_List_(Main_Series)_(Base)

He never struggled against the Ifrit no proof of that was shown at all

Infinite's has feats far above Multi-Contential and the Sun is not that low. Using Espio statement is false has he knows nothing about the Phantom's Ruby's power he made a claim.

https://feats-and-respect-thread.fa...e_Masked_Jackal_Respect_Thread_(Sonic_Forces)

https://feats-and-respect-thread.fandom.com/wiki/Infinite%27s_Phantom_Ruby_Su
 
To be fair Tails thought that Sonic was dead for months, he wasn't well mentally and it took Sonic, Tails and Knuckles to beat Chaos 4 in Adventure,
 
You know Eggman himself was terrified of the FEB when Emerl took it from him, right? There's an obvious reason why he never used it again.
 
He was afraid because Emerl was going to destroy the world, nothing sugests that he never used it again because he was afraid of his power, that's a unfouded headcanon
 
If I can say something Eggman wanting to conquer the world not destroy it is something constantly established in the series and the FEB has a high risk of doing the former when destruction is it's only real use. So saying he doesn't use it cause he doesn't wanna Destroy the planet is less headcanon and more reasonable assumption.
 
Yes Eggman was afraid of Emerl and his mental state because It went against his plan, not the power of the FEB, he was afraid what Emerl would do with it
 
Js250476 said:
If I can say something Eggman wanting to conquer the world not destroy it is something constantly established in the series and the FEB has a high risk of doing the former when destruction is it's only real use. So saying he doesn't use it cause he doesn't wanna Destroy the planet is less headcanon and more reasonable assumption.
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Correct,Eggman was only afraid because Emerel was going to use it to destroy the Earth and Eggman didn't want that because he wanted to rule the Earth.Also Eggman was much more afraid of Metal Overlord just saying
 
The main point of the scaling is that Eggman's top tier machines built to fight Super Sonic should be as powerful as the FEB, Ap is diferent from destructive potention, they should have the same Ap, Eggman was never scared of the FEB
 
Theuser789 said:
Heroes was released after Battle, and Eggman thought it was impossible to beat Overlord without the emeralds.

Tier 2 machines required help, they aren't really Eggman's machines.

Metal never used the emeralds in the modern universe
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And I responded your comment
 
If this goes trough I'm making an upgrade thread for the Ninja Turtles. Shredder's strongest mechs and the Ninja Trinunal shouldn't be weaker than the Technodrome. Nobody ever did literally anything to the goddamn thing? Who cares? Upgrade!
 
Diferent franchise, diferent context, Cal, nothing implies that the FEB is special to the other top tier machines, If you want to make the thread than do it
 
You cannot argue with canon quotes that state that Metal Overlord/Sonic is the most powerful machine Eggman has ever made side from outside help.Trust me I could careless if Super Sonic becomes 4-A or not but I honestly do care about the accuracy and having him be bumped to 4-A is the most accurate way to go about things IMO.

To get a general consensus who's in favor of 4-A going back on Sonic's profile?
 
And why would them being not being special warrant any scaling without direct feats whatsoever?

Nukes aren't special at all in most settings yet we don't see everyone getting scaled to them, if that's the actual reasoning for this upgrade it's really poor.
 
The reasoning is that Eggman would use similar power in his top tier machines, so the ones that fought Super Sonic as well as Overlord and Ultimate Gemerl would be 4-A.

The argument agaisnt it is that the FEB is special and no other machine scales to it, I am arguing against that
 
The problem is that even if the FEB wasn't special you cannot assume any and all of his technologies will scale to eachother without direct feats because specialization is a thing and real life examples of combat geared technologies not being anywhere near comparable to our strongest technologies exist.
 
Except that we aren't assuming that every robot is 4-A, only the ones that fought Super Sonic because it wouldn't make sense for Eggman not to use his strongest tecnology on them.
 
Oblivion Lightning said:
There's a canon quote saying Metal Overlord is Eggman's strongest creation placing him above the FEB
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And Eggman thought that beating Overlord was impossible without the emeralds, even though he can make 4-A machines
 
Actually, I apologize for that comment above. While I got my point across, I did so too sneakily. I like everyone in this thread so I don't wanna be mean to you all.
 
If this were to go through 4―A would scale to the following

-Metal Sonic/Metal Overlord: has been stated to be Eggman's most powerful creation he made by himself placing him above the likes of the Final Egg Blaster

-All Super Forms: Super Sonic,Tails and Knuckles fought and ultimately defeated Metal Overlord.

-Perfect Dark Gaia: Fought both Super Sonic and the Gaia Colossus

-Final Hazard: Fought Super Sonic and Super Shadow

Essentially every boss that battles and contendd with Super forms that isn't Low 2-C or 2-C would be bumped up let me know if I missed any
 
I see,although the Time Eater hitting either base Sonic would completely atomize them

Although I saw that the Time Eater was playing around with the Sonics
 
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