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Super Sonic Rebuff

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DarkDragonMedeus said:
And even Perfect Chaos in Sonic Generations is actually way weaker than his Adventure counterpart; the plot portrays him as having only 1 Chaos Emerald.
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I'm sorry, but where exactly is it stated or shown that Perfect Chaos is weaker in Generations or shown he has only 1 Chaos Emerald? Because as far as the plot goes, they're traveling through time and that Chaos is clearly meant to be the exact one from 21 years ago with some added features. I agree with the "attacking his brain" portion of your argument, but this part really just seems like headcanon, if anything.
 
I played Generations, you received 1 Chaos Emerald for beating each of the bosses. The Tier 2 stuff also comes from Outside help mentioned above, so that shouldn't be used for arguing FEB. And Death Egg destroys planets yes, but no one really scales from it directly as it was never used for combat. The Darth Sidious argument also doesn't apply here as that's comparing different characters, rather than comparing a weapon to a character. Which I already explained is nonlinear; Metal Overlord more so has power in terms of combat versatility and stonewalling capabilities rather than pure destruction out of Eggman's control.
 
Occam's razor would imply that Eggman's top tier machines would be as strong as the FEB, it would be extreme PIS for them not to be
 
Well, yeah, in the white world when the emerald goes from white to color along with the other bosses that are meant to mimick the ones from years ago. There's even a cutscene of Modern grabbing the emerald in the white world, so there's nothing saying they got the emerald directly from the boss and not from Time Eater's void.
 
Metal is a weapon as well as the other machines, they all are weapons, this is weapon scaling, not scaling the characters to weapons
 
-The fact that Eggman needed outside help for Teir 2 stuff supports our claim that the quote that "Metal Overlord is Eggman's most powerful creation" checks out as saying Metal Overlord is stronger than the Time Eater or Egg Wizard is ridiculous.The FEB wouldn't fall into that category as Eggman made it himself so thus Metal Overlord is superior to the Final Egg Blaster.Also if we think about it logically the FEB only being 4-A makes no sense because by that logic Eggman loathes Sonic and wants to destroy him but doesn't use a weapon that would actually kill him.It's quite a stretch to say Eggman only has one machine that's 4-A and doesn't even use it against Sonic when Eggman goes all out with his other machines and bosses but yet they're weaker than the FEB.The Star Wars quote works here as it's comparing to aspects of their respective canon and stating that it's stronger than the other aspects in said canon

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Oh yeah, Infinite's minisun calc was rejected, and similar feats have been calculated at 7-B. But the individual Chaos Emerald calc at 5-B was said to require far too many assumptions according to plenty of staff members and WeeklyBattles called it an outlier. The 5-A from Sonic Advance 3 was also done using all 7 Chaos Emeralds; there's no reason for Eggman to only use one if her literally has all 7 and used the Death Egg which very consistently stated to require all 7 Chaos Emeralds to be used.

Also, Eggman doesn't want to destroy the planet which is why even he fears using the FEB and has tried avoid making weapons with that much firepower in future installments.
 
DarkDragonMedeus said:
The 5-A from Sonic Advance 3 was also done using all 7 Chaos Emeralds; there's no reason for Eggman to only use one if her literally has all 7 and used the Death Egg which very consistently stated to require all 7 Chaos Emeralds to be used.
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Nothing implies he has all seven. We literally only see 1. To say he has all 7 is an assumption on it's own. Not even the manual says he has all seven. He only used 1 because that's all he appears to need. Also, are you talking about the Death Egg or Eclipse Cannon? Because the Eclipse Cannon needed 7 emeralds to be used at it's full potential while the Death Egg didn't really need the emeralds according to Sonic 2, 3, 4 episode 1, Forces, etc.
 
Eggman split the planet apart with only one emerald in Advance, and that is more hax them Power.

The Death Egg doesn't use emeralds in Forces.
 
The cutscene shows him placing 1 because the other 6 were placed off screen. And it's still the same room which he has 7 containers and has often been featless unless he has all 7. There was a calc on NarutoForums that put splitting at 5-A, but staff agreed that there was all 7. The one, there's only 1, is just an assumption often used by fans to push for massive upgrades.

The proof is literally in the entire plot for the rest of the game. Eggman already has all 7 Chaos Emeralds in his possession in which Sonic and the others are trying to get them back. And Eggman scattered all 7 in hopes that the others don't find them.
 
ShadowWarrior1999 said:
The planet split in Advance 3 should be 5-B. There's no calc for it. Also proof that Eggman had all 7 Chaos Emeralds? There's only one in the cutscene.
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Manuals, iirc.
 
The 5-A Calc is from Unleashed.

Eggman never feared to use the FEB again, that's pure unfouded headcanon, Occam's razor would put other top tier machines at the same power of the FEB
 
Idk, man. I literally just started playing that game last night. The walkthrough I was using said he used them all and unlike VSBW, there's no gain from saying otherwise so he must've gotten it from somewhere.
 
By the way, both Matt and Everlasting agree with me on Discord that Final Egg Blaster shouldn't be part of the scaling between the fact that its inconsistent and the fact that it's far too assumptive to assume Metal Overlord has more firepower than FEB.

There's 2 5-A Earth splitting calcs on Naruto Forums; there's Dark Gaia's feat and the intro to Sonic Advance 3. The 5-B blog I think got deleted due to some troll attack and old account being hacked. But another person told me that it's inapplicable due to it appearing more as a hax feat rather than something to legit calc. And considering the Continent simply fell back in place on to Earth, it could be a chain reaction.
 
The walkthrough? I mean, it has no bearing because it's a simple fan walkthrough from gameFAQ. I was just inferring.
 
@Cal

Was there text that said that? Or did you interpret it?

@Dark

Weather it's reality warping or destruction, Planet Level is Planet Level
 
Matt should post his reasons here, not on discord, and the Everlasting isn't even on this website anymore, being a adim doesn't mean what you say should be done without arguments
 
The real cal howard said:
The FEB is gigantic, needed to charge, and Emerl blew up by absorbing the mere residual energy from it.
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The FEB isn't gigantic, you are confusing it with the Death Egg, Eggman put it on the Death Egg in Battle
 
DarkDragonMedeus said:
By the way, both
There's 2 5-A Earth splitting calcs on Naruto Forums; there's Dark Gaia's feat and the intro to Sonic Advance 3. The 5-B blog I think got deleted due to some troll attack and old account being hacked. But another person told me that it's inapplicable due to it appearing more as a hax feat rather than something to legit calc. And considering the Continent simply fell back in place on to Earth, it could be a chain reaction.
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I'd like a link to the Advance 3 calc on Naruto Forums, it'd help move the debate along.

Also, the continent moving back in place is a result of the Chaos Emerald's power, it didn't simply fall back in place on its own.
 
@DDM I mean some random person saying it's hax doesn't mean anything.

It's pretty clear that gravity wasn't apart of that scene otherwise the pieces should've fallen back on their own instead of staying up there.
 
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