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Eggman basically admitted he was toying with them so Time Eater was holding back.
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.Theuser789 said:To be fair Tails thought that Sonic was dead for months, he wasn't well mentally and it took Sonic, Tails and Knuckles to beat Chaos 4 in Adventure,
Tbf I considered that to be game mechanics and like you said: he has grown stronger over the years. Hence why he was able to be Perfect Chaos im Generations. Storywise, it makes sense for a Base Sonic to fight against Perfect Chaos. And no, Perfect Chaos isn't weaker in Generations. That's just a incel-like excuse to downplay and to prove a nonexistent point.Dark649 said:5-A Sonic was shut down in the past because Adventure Sonic / Knuckles were unable to damage and needed to freeze Chaos 6 in order to defeat it, but Sonic has clearly grown much stronger in the Modern Era, Infinite Sun attack is stronger than it looks.
I'm sorry but how in the world is that flowery language?DarkDragonMedeus said:Those just sound like flowery language, and there's also been times where Sonic states to have gotten weaker in other sources.
-Eggman's only teamed up with Sonic when he absolutely has to.Your also forgetting in Generations he literally tried killing him with the Time Eater and was gonna kill the 2 Sonics if the Chaos Emeralds didn't revitalize them."He isn't evil"are you serious?He absolutely would murder people like in forces he was going to kill all the civilians with Infinite's sun and literally devour all Time and Space within the Universe with the Time EaterDarkDragonMedeus said:"Eggman loathes Sonic and would do anything to kill him" and yet he teams up with him all the time and has legit helped him from time to time. Eggman isn't really all that evil and doesn't really murder people. He just has an ego and wants to be looked up to and worshipped. In Unleashed, he separated the planet without killing anyone; he didn't completely destroy it. And Eggman with Time Eater was trying to create a new world and be god of his own universe.
They don't care because most authors or fiction don't care about power scaling. This is cut and dry. And the blatant inconsistencies show this; Sonic struggling to run away from the police one day and then taking on Giant Monsters the next. Same with Super Sonic, struggling with planetary stuff one day and then taking on Universal stuff the next. Except the way Shadow said, "Dark Gaia is the only planetary threat Sonic struggle with" implies none of the other mechs in the Advance series would even backwards scale from Sonic in the first place. But, I don't think anyone scales from Final Egg Blaster and neither does any staff member who commented here or on Discord.
You did say, "Different verse with different standards." And I also explained the difference between comparing 2 or more characters to comparing a character/robot to a Giant Satellite weapon.
Reposting this, if we assume that the bosses that I listed as strong as the FEB are 4-A that would né more consistant than 5-ATheuser789 said:Let's look at every Eggman invention and final bosses to see if they are 5-A via scaling or because of their own feats.
3&K: it's because of scaling
Adventure: Chaos has a statment that he would destroy the world by Tikal, but he was using negative energy which is explicitaly weaker than positive ones.
SA2: the Eclipse Cannon wasn't built by Eggman so it wouldn't count for the power of his inventions and the Ark had a statment in the Final Story that the reaction of the emeralds would destroy the planet when the colony colided with Earth, it doesn't scales to the Final Hazard, he's 5-A via scaling.
Advance 1 and 2: it's because of scaling, they should be as powerful as the FEB.
Heroes: it's because of scaling, Metal Overlord should be as powerful as the FEB.
Shadow: Devil Doom is 5-A via scaling
Battle: the FEB is 4-A, Emerl doesn't scale to it
Advance 3:it's because of scaling, Ultimate Gemerl should be as powerful as the FEB
06: tier 2.
Rush: tier 2
Unleashed: the Chaos Energy Cannon main purpose was to awaken Dark Gaia, Dark Gaia did the 5-A feat when he was so weak he couldn't handle his own wheight: https://youtu.be/JG6KajmJXws?t=39 Perfect Dark Gaia is much stronger than that.
Rush Adventure: tier 2
Generations: tier 2
As you all can see none of Eggman's machines are 5-A via their own feats, they are via scaling, the top tier machine that Eggman built who has a feat is the FEB who is 4-A, it's fair to assume that the other top tier Eggman machines are also 4-A via being made without outside help and with the same amount of prep time, they should have the same power
Oblivion Lightning said:Here's the rundown
The Final Egg Blaster would be weaker than the machines used by Eggman to truly defeat Sonic as the Final Egg Balster was never used again to destroy Sonic.It would be very odd for Eggman to have a weapon that's vastly stronger than Sonic and his Super form and not use it against him.Metal Overlord has been outright stated to be Eggman's most powerful creation (without help) this quote proves that Metal Overlord is stronger due to sheer statements.
For example.....
Darth Sidious has been stated to be the most powerful Sith Lord placing him above Darth Vader,Nihilus,Plagueis,Vitiate and etc
Metal Overlord has been stated to be Eggman's most powerful creation placing him above all other of his creations Death Egg Robot,Nega Wisp Armor and etc.The Final Egg Blaster would fall under this category as it's Eggman's creation.Also saying that Final Egg Blaster is 4-A and nothing else is massive PIS as Eggman's never tried to use it against Sonic at all.As the blast would kill him immediately.
-Metal Sonic/Metal Overlord: has been stated to be Eggman's most powerful creation he made by himself placing him above the likes of the Final Egg Blaster
-All Super Forms: Super Sonic,Tails and Knuckles fought and ultimately defeated Metal Overlord.
-Perfect Dark Gaia: Fought both Super Sonic and the Gaia Colossus
-Final Hazard: Fought Super Sonic and Super Shadow