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Super Sonic Rebuff

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@User, Matt to far too busy, and you know how stressed he can be when it comes to circled arguments. That's why I'm here so he doesn't have to, but his opinion is still valid. Everlasting's opinion is also valuable given his great knowledge and the fact that he shouldn't be discriminated just because he isn't here physically. He's still here in spirit which counts more than anything.
 
Saying that it requires to much assumptions is simply wrong, the FEB isn't special, Eggman thought it was impossible to beat Overlord without the emeralds, and it requires way more assumptions to assume that Eggman's other top tier machines are trillions of times weaker than the FEB.

A adim should post arguments, being one doesn't make everything you say be correct
 
DarkDragonMedeus said:
The 5-B blog I think got deleted due to some troll attack and old account being hacked. But another person told me that it's inapplicable due to it appearing more as a hax feat rather than something to legit calc. And considering the Continent simply fell back in place on to Earth, it could be a chain reaction.
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Executor commented on this already and explained as to why that isn't correct. I saved his comments, I'll dig it up and bring that up.

And yet when we complain about you at all you loose your marbles.

You gotta calm down, man, just take a breather. We don't need hostility, that'll only slow down the thread.
 
Just saying, respect has to be earned. Just being an admin dosn't mean you can push people around.
 
The real cal howard said:
Another reason FEB doesn't scale to anyone is that it requires a significant time to charge. Even a sixty second charge only made it a planet buster.
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There's no charge time the first time, almost every Eggman machine that I mentioned also has a charge time

There's no canon reasoning that Eggman wouldn't use similar power on his machines, nome, charge time is just a design, weaker machines like the Egg dealer also have charge times
 
Cal also brought up far more arguments regarding the Final Egg Blaster; and I'm also positive Final Egg Blaster is a glass cannon. Thor is 4-A with God Blast, but doesn't scale to Sentry being much stronger than him. Also, I never pushed people around, I simply keep the discussion smooth and only call people out when they actually attack people.
 
Cal's argument about size was wrong and charge time as well.

Nothing implies that it's a glass canon, and the the other Eggman top tier machines should have the same Ap as It, it's extremely PIS for Eggman not to do that
 
Glass canon or not it doesn't matter when Metal Overlord is canonically more powerful than it.

The Final Egg Blaster would be weaker than the machines used by Eggman to truly defeat Sonic as the Final Egg Balster was never used again to destroy Sonic.It would be very odd for Eggman to have a weapon that's vastly stronger than Sonic and his Super form and not use it against him.Metal Overlord has been outright stated to be Eggman's most powerful creation (without help) this quote proves that Metal Overlord is stronger due to sheer statements.

For example.....

Darth Sidious has been stated to be the most powerful Sith Lord placing him above Darth Vader,Nihilus,Plagueis,Vitiate and etc

Metal Overlord has been stated to be Eggman's most powerful creation placing him above all other of his creations Death Egg Robot,Nega Wisp Armor and etc.The Final Egg Blaster would fall under this category as it's Eggman's creation.Also saying that Final Egg Blaster is 4-A and nothing else is massive PIS as Eggman's never tried to use it against Sonic at all.As the blast would kill him immediately.
 
DarkDragonMedeus said:
@User, Matt to far too busy, and you know how stressed he can be when it comes to circled arguments. That's why I'm here so he doesn't have to, but his opinion is still valid. Everlasting's opinion is also valuable given his great knowledge and the fact that he shouldn't be discriminated just because he isn't here physically. He's still here in spirit which counts more than anything.
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I've said it before, I'll say it again. I respect all staff, current or retired.

However, you keep bringing up Matt and Everlasting as if their word alone is above all of us. Yes, we get it, they're knowledgeable staff members and Matt's too busy to argue himself. But we're knowledgeable too, and it's as if their current (or former) position are held above our heads to get us to stop pushing for our case. It happened with Illumina, and I frankly don't want it to happen again. Because that's not how debating works, and it's unfair to all of us who have spent our time on gathering evidence only to be shot down with "These staff members think sometheing else, so I'm gonna take their word."

I don't even have an opinion on 4-A, I just don't like what I'm seeing.
 
Thor is only 4-A with a special attack, I already explaneid how the FEB isn't a special machine, weaker machines had a charge time, the one from the Tornado levels also has a charge time and was beatten by the Tornado
 
Because that's not how prep works. What, do we assume that every suit Batman builds from now on is equal to the Hellbat armor? Or that all of Shredder's top tier items are 2-A? Or Doctor Doom's items are inherently outerversal?

Show me anyone, literally anyone, getting hit by the FEB.
 
Because they have the same amount of prep, very similar purposes and objectives

They don't need to interact with the FEB, Occam's razor would imply that Eggman's top tier machines have the same amount of power, all the machines you listed are special, unlike the FEB
 
@Shake, that's not the main point though and I brought up a bunch of other reasons and other reasons they have. Also, people are still strawmanning and exaggerating what I actually do. I don't go around shouting or cussing at people even if they do it to me all the time. And I also don't threaten to ban people when other staff members have yes. I tend to be more lenient compared to other staff members but it doesn't stop people from painting me that way. That is what I meant.

I also have to go to work again, so I'll be unable to post for 10 hours.
 
Look, I learned a long time ago before most of you guys were here to not throw titles around (I did so throwing Azzy's name around and got flak for it). But I completely understand where DDM's coming from with Ever. No offense to any of you, but I put his opinion above all of yours combined, including you, DDM. A massive amount of things wouldn't have happened without him and even being off site he was super influential to how Blazblue is tiered today.
 
Was Ever knowledgeable on Sonic though? Especialy Eggman's machines strengh? What he did in other verses doesn't matter for the discussion, what matters is his knowledge on Sonic
 
The real cal howard said:
A massive amount of things wouldn't have happened without him and even being off site he was super influential to how Blazblue is tiered today.
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Again, I respect that.

But that doesn't automatically mean "Ever said no and he's very knowledgeable, so case closed". He's one of the greats of this site, sure, but that doesn't mean his word is always law or always right. It's like any amount of research done could be shut down by the disapproval of one person saying he disagrees. It's frustrating and makes our efforts seem like a waste of time.

But regardless, I'll say it again. I'm not here to argue 4-A Super Sonic, I want some 5-B Sonic action. Still, what I'm seeing is atrocious. I'm gonna leave the thread now, I don't have anything left to say on any matters here.

Sorry if I offended anyone, I meant no disrespect if I did. See ya.
 
I don't think overlord being said to be the strongest creation works when iirc battle released after heroes.
 
That is demonstrably false in terms of raw power, what with having tier 2 machines and scaling super forms to base being a no.

"Strongest" could also be due to it's adaptation and ability to use use chaos emeralds.
 
Wok.

Literally nobody suggested anything you said right there.

That is straw man like I have never seen before.
 
Wokistan said:
That is demonstrably false in terms of raw power, what with having tier 2 machines and scaling super forms to base being a no.

"Strongest" could also be due to it's adaptation and ability to use use chaos emeralds.
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The teir 2 machines were made with outside help from his younger self and Dr Eggman Nega.So this quote applies

The Final Egg Blaster would be weaker than the machines used by Eggman to truly defeat Sonic as the Final Egg Balster was never used again to destroy Sonic.It would be very odd for Eggman to have a weapon that's vastly stronger than Sonic and his Super form and not use it against him.Metal Overlord has been outright stated to be Eggman's most powerful creation (without help) this quote proves that Metal Overlord is stronger due to sheer statements.

For example.....

Darth Sidious has been stated to be the most powerful Sith Lord placing him above Darth Vader,Nihilus,Plagueis,Vitiate and etc

Metal Overlord has been stated to be Eggman's most powerful creation placing him above all other of his creations Death Egg Robot,Nega Wisp Armor and etc.The Final Egg Blaster would fall under this category as it's Eggman's creation.Also saying that Final Egg Blaster is 4-A and nothing else is massive PIS as Eggman's never tried to use it against Sonic at all.As the blast would kill him immediately.
 
Heroes was released after Battle, and Eggman thought it was impossible to beat Overlord without the emeralds.

Tier 2 machines required help, they aren't really Eggman's machines.

Metal never used the emeralds in the modern universe
 
The thing is Shadow has his memory in Battle but not in Heroes/ShTH so it would have to have taken place after those games.

Also look at the release date for Sonic 4.
 
Yeah but release dates don't matter here since it makes way more sense story wise for Battle to take after Heroes because everything involving Shadow.
 
Even then there's still quotes after Battle staying Metal Sonic is the most powerful machine Eggman's created.In the Sonic Forces manual and Generations as well
 
It doesn't really matter because nothing implies that the FEB is a special machine.

Also Battle was never confirmed to take place after Shadow, the story of that game hadn't been even existed, it's just fan headcanon
 
Theuser789 said:
It doesn't really matter because nothing implies that the FEB is a special machine.

Also Battle was never confirmed to take place after Shadow, the story of that game hadn't been even existed, it's just fan headcanon
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Hell,If it's so powerful he should have used it against Sonic instead of using his other robots.
 
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