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This thread is for members to list their suggestions to improve VS Battles wiki. I cannot promise you that all your suggestions will be incorporated for certain, but they will be considered for implementation sincerely.

Feedback is both welcome, and much appreciated.
 

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I have some simple ideas...

But it is late for me now, I will post them tomorrow.
 
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An actual section for battles between characters so we can get more wins and losses to put in character profiles.
 
I know this might sound dumb, but I always liked those article of the week things. Doing that for characters sometimes can be kinda cool.
 

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@Credible Hulk I changed it to "all-ages" to avoid misunderstandings in the future.

@RouninOtaku No problem.
 

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I don't think that we have enough room in the main page for a "featured article" section (article of the week would take too much constant work, rather than an unspecified timeframe), unless we remove the main image.
 

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@Antvasima: I was just about to get to that actually. My suggestion was adding one of those sliders that most proper wiki's have on their front page. Take a look at this wiki for example. Notice when you scroll down a tad, they have the slider with different pages moving by that link to various parts of their wiki? Including a "Welcome to _____ Wiki" on one the first slide, with the next one containing a link and a picture about an important part of whatever that wiki is.

So I was suggesting, that we add that to this wiki as well. We could do something like the First slide being a "Welcome to VS Battles Wiki" with the picture of the Marvel vs DC covering that slide. Then the next slide for example would contain a crucial part of our wiki, like the Attack Potency page, or the Character Tiering page etc. And a third slide leading to the Forums or anything. Of course these don't need to be the EXACT inputs, as they were just ideas from me, but I think that looking into it, despite being a somewhat minor addition, would improve the aesthetic value of this wiki.
 

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That is not a bad idea, but I don't know how to add such features, and am kept too busy here to have the time and energy to figure it out. Lord Kavpeny might be able to do so when he comes back though, if he likes the idea.

It is extremely important that we keep all of the information links and the rules section in the main page though.
 

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Of course, I understand. And when Lord Kavpeny comes back, I'll just ask if he knows how or not.
 

Kavpeny

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@Sheoth: I can, but there are a lot of other things to be revised/restructured first, so it will take a (long) while to get to it. Your suggestion on the other hand, is duly noted.

@HomestuckLover1: Hmm...I have created Featured Section discussion threads. Weekly is too short, the featured section articles will be revised one month at a time. The implementation is still under development though.

@LurkerMurker: Well, I am against it, primarily due to lack of videographic content required to maintain a youtube channel. Do you have any suggestions as to how to make a channel work?
 

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I think that we would embarrass ourselves, and that it might attract badly behaved YouTube people as members of the site. I already have to spend over 8 hours a day on this place. I have no urge whatsoever to spend over 16. In addition, I strongly dislike being placed in the spotlight. And I don't mean that I would participate in the show, just that it would be hard for it to avoid mentioning the staff members, which would be a massive headache.
 

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I agree with Ant, it would be a waste of time and wouldn't really lead to anything beneficial...
 

Antvasima

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It might overtax the calculation group with irrelevant requests though. If we add it, we should clarify at the start that this is only for reasonably prominent characters with unclear feats that are necessary to get a scale for the franchise.
 

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Ok that works

I was also going to say we can make rules to not have irrelevant requests as they will be ignored or deleted also should we see how the Calc group will feel about this
 

Antvasima

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Yes. Let's see what the calculation group and Lord Kavpeny think about this?
 

Kavpeny

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I am fine with the suggestion.

In fact, Darkness552's idea is a good one, seeing as people don't know where to go with calc requests, and eventually do get redirected to Calc Group message walls.

But since the calc group is the one who will actually have to maintain the thread, I think the decision should be in their hands. If they think it will be unfeasible, then so be it.

But if they find it interesting and reasonable, it would be a good addition to the wiki, in my personal opinion.
 
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Let me be pessimistic about the forum thread idea and predict that if 5 people, which are not coordinated between each other, are supposed to take up requests not specifically directed at anyone of them, likely nobody will feel responsible to do anything and believe that someone else will do it.

Except for that I have no problem with the idea.
 

Antvasima

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You can all subscribe to the thread, and then decide between yourselves who will take up the request, if it seems relevant enough.
 

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I think the idea sounds pretty good; DontTalk's point is definitely a good one, but like them, I think it's worth trying out.
 

Antvasima

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Well, since 3 of 5 members are fine with it so far, I think that it is safe for you to create the thread Lord Kavpeny.
 

Antvasima

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All right. Please take note that all calculation group members should probably click subscribe to this thread. Thank you.
 
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One suggestion from me:

Shouldn´t we complete our rankings down to 0?

What I mean is shouldn´t their be an attack potency rank from 0 to 100 Joule, a striking strength category for 0 to 100 Joule, a normal human rank for speed (between Sub-Human and Peak Human) and a Sub-Human rank for durability?

Or would that need too much changing for now?
 

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No, it would not be too much work. The changes will not be as significant, since it is additional of detail, instead of revision of anything currently in use.

Are there any other additions are required, DontTalk?
 

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this was brought up by Lord-Of-Creation and i agree with it

should we delete all vs threads that are were not created in our forum

1. most forums do not follow our system

2. i do think we should be more independent from other sites

3. if something were to happen to the site linked then we would end up with alot of broken links (ex. MVC)

now this is not a revision that needs to be done immediately, as it is minor to the things that are more important
 

Antvasima

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I am ambivalent regarding the issue, but we should probably put it to a vote first.
 

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However, it does not seem particularly important, and it would take lots of work considering this fact, so is it really worth it?
 

Darkness552

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no its not as important as most things we have to do on the wiki, if its accepted it can be put off until later notice and changes done gradually over time
 

Antvasima

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Well, I think that the current rule is that threads from other sites are accepted if they are consistent with our tiers. However, maybe we should clarify this in the front page?
 

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Perhaps we could find a team of animators to animate character battles we do in the forums? This is a VS Battles wiki, and I feel that battles here should be more than simply arguing back-and-forth about who would win.

Wishful thinking, perhaps, but I'll throw it out there. Death Battle and One Minute Melee exist, yes, but Screwattack has a rather slow schedule for both (one battle every three weeks for Death Battle, every other week for One Minute Melee). We can do characters that they haven't done (or at least haven't done yet).
 

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I don't think that's a good idea as animation isn't really easy, takes quite some time to do (if ya want it to actually look good) and asking people to do it for free (unless someone actually wants to bring out their wallets to pay them) is a little too much...

I say we simply focus on fixing up all the flaws on our wiki, selecting proper staff and doing whatever needs to be done. We could deal with improving the VS threads system after we've sorted everything out....
 

Sheoth

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Well, it's not a bad idea. However, it's simply impractical now of all times...
 

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Would it? I'm not sure if Wikia has a video hosting service, but if it doesn't, there are other places we can host animations or videos such as Newgrounds and Vimeo which won't automatically attract the obnoxious Youtube community.

Also, do we really need to make videos to showcase animations?
 

Darkness552

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yeah possibly

do you mean as in gifs?

but either way it is still something we have to wait for in the future, as its not a bad idea its just not the right time to start this up
 

Antvasima

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I also think that this would be a very bad idea. Even beyond that the quality would likely be very low, as it is hard to find good animators, especially ones willing to work without pay, it would turn the site far too "screamy"/"epileptic" for my tastes if it was littered with battle animations. I prefer to simply keep it as a calm indexing site that anybody can browse and remain calm. If we give the site a violent mood, it would also attract far more misbehaving types of people.
 

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@Unclechairman: Wikia technically doesn't. And those other sites have a much bigger risk as we don't know who we might attract. There's also the fact that there is a low possibility of actually attracting people on those sites.

Animation is defined as the technique of photographing successive drawings or positions of puppets or models to create an illusion of movement when the film is shown as a sequence.

So yeah videos are needed to showcase animations...
 

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Basically, I would really appreciate if all of the administrators please try to continue keeping the site calm and ordered in the future, and do not implement these type of changes. Thank you.
 

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I agree with Ant. With the recent happenings, improvement suggestions aren't at the top of the priority list. What we really need to focus on is keeping things in order...
 

Antvasima

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Well, polls do not actually have to present any arguments. They are just popularity contests.
 

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Again, they would simply show what character that people who read the discussion like best. Especially if non-registered visitors are allowed to vote. Also, with Kavpeny gone, we don't have the resources for any massive changes.
 

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We could use the polls to determine the featured article of the month. But I'm sure that's a project which will/may be initated after we've sorted everything out and when everything is calm in the wiki...
 

Antvasima

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Yes, that is a good idea in itself, but I am not good with programming the wiki into using such features, and as you say, we should probably wait a few months with any such changes until things have straightened themselves out.
 

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Well the programming for those type of things is easy enough so I can do it. Only thing that needs to be done is to properly stabilize the wiki...
 

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Hope this isn't a necro(i'm sure it's been two weeks), but what about a multi-quote function? That way people can respond to multiple quotes at once without having to double, triple, or even quadruple-post?
 

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Skodwarde The Almighty said:
Hope this isn't a necro(i'm sure it's been two weeks), but what about a multi-quote function? That way people can respond to multiple quotes at once without having to double, triple, or even quadruple-post?
Can we try going for that?
 

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Quoting each other multiple times spams the pages with unnecessary walls of text, and is not allowed in this wiki. Also, we don't have the abilities to change wikia's source coding.
 
I think we should delete all of the victories and losses for now, and start adding the victories and losses from our forums only.

The reason is that the wins and losses sections are pretty messy, as most other sites don't use our ranking system, so we have weaker characters beating stronger characters in our wins and losses section.

Also it's not very consistent, like we have some characters have a win over another character, but we don't list that as a loss for the other character.

I remember reading about 4 months ago, Dark Schneider had a win over Odin on his page, and Odin had a win over Dark Schneider on Odin's page.
 

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Lord-Of-Creation said:
I think we should delete all of the victories and losses for now, and start adding the victories and losses from our forums only.

The reason is that the wins and losses sections are pretty messy, as most other sites don't use our ranking system, so we have weaker characters beating stronger characters in our wins and losses section.

Also it's not very consistent, like we have some characters have a win over another character, but we don't list that as a loss for the other character.

I remember reading about 4 months ago, Dark Schneider had a win over Odin on his page, and Odin had a win over Dark Schneider on Odin's page.
https://youtu.be/sz-qL1KfC-0
 

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That would be way too much work, as you'd need to go through hundreds of pages to remove all the victories and losses.

Also, if users from other sites used our ranking system, they'd be considered fanboys (Because, for some reason, using VS sites is not approved of, even though we work really hard to keep the profiles in top shape).
 
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That would be way too much work, as you'd need to go through hundreds of pages to remove all the victories and losses.
Also, if users from other sites used our ranking system, they'd be considered fanboys (Because, for some reason, using VS sites is not approved of, even though we work really hard to keep the profiles in top shape).
We can have a moratorium on adding victories and defeats to characters. We delete all of the victories and defeats (or as much as we can), in a couple of months, and then we can add victories and defeats from our site only.


The fact that other sites don't want to use our ranking system is further reason we need to delete the victories and defeats.
 

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Maybe in the future, but the problem remains that it would be an awful lot of work, and we are overtaxed enough as it is. We are also already attempting to sort away inactive threads and results that do not fit with our rankings system.
 

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Uh just another suggestion.

We have standard formats for character, weapon, and power/ability profiles. Should there be a standard format for verse profiles?
 

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Skodwarde The Almighty said:
We have standard formats for character, weapon, and power/ability profiles. Should there be a standard format for verse profiles?
Thats actually a really good idea.
 

Sheoth

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So should we remove verse power comparisons from other verse profiles?
 

Antvasima

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It is a good idea in theory, but somebody in the staff has to write it, and I am very tired and unfocused nowadays.
 

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i guess i could do it but im fairly busy with real life and it is now starting to get harder to juggle my real life work with my admin work and so far the best i have been doing lately is looking after edits and comments
 

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The idea is sound, but the execution will have to wait for a while.
 
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This falls in the category of stuff that I can not implement, but I have a suggestion:

I noticed when reading through a help page that it is possible to define a standard layout so that if someone creates a page he will be asked if he wants to start with the Standard Layout or with a blank page.

Since 85% of our pages are character profiles and have to follow the Standard Format for Character profiles, I thought it might be a good idea to implement the Standard Format for character profiles as Standard Layout for pages (without the explanation of course).

That would not only make creating character profiles more confortable, but also makes it easier for new users to create pages with proper formating (which would in turn mean that staff members have to clean up such pages less often).
 

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This thread~ Holy crude~ xD

Hmm. I think what DT said is reasonable. And the last parts he explained makes it a lot better for all of us (and even regular users of the site) to not have to clean pages up often, yeah. *Nod*
 

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So, do you wish to write the layout page, based on the current standard format for character profiles, DontTalk?
 
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Well, the layout itself would simply be

==Summary==

==Powers and Stats==

'''[[Tiering System|Tier]]:'''

'''Name:'''

'''Origin:'''

'''Gender:'''

'''Age:'''

'''Classification:'''

'''Powers and Abilities:'''

'''[[Attack Potency]]:'''

'''[[Speed]]:'''

'''[[Lifting Strength]]:'''

'''[[Striking Strength]]:'''

'''[[Durability]]:'''

'''[[Stamina]]:'''

'''[[Range]]:'''

'''Standard Equipment:'''

'''[[Intelligence]]:'''

'''Weaknesses:'''

'''[[Feats]]:'''

'''Notable Attacks/Techniques:'''

'''Key:'''

'''Note:'''

==Gallery==

==Others==

'''Notable Victories:'''


'''Notable Losses:'''


'''Inconclusive Matches:'''

I suppose.

But that is really all I can help with implementation wise. It is a bit of a bold suggestion, as I neither know how to do it nor how much work it would require.
 

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Okay. Perhaps it would be best if you placed this suggestion as a thread on the staff board? That way you can ask if somebody has the interest, and necessary know-how.
 
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Since I noticed this page come up, I would like a notification when people try to create vs pages if this is possible. by this I mean like someone attempts to create a thread about goku vs superman and when they attempt to submit it, it gives that notification that reads like "We're sorry, but this vs thread has fallen under 'controversal topics' due to the keywords 'goku' and 'superman' in the same context. Please choose one of the following buttons." I would like buttons that possibly say 'rules on controversal topics,' 'notify staff for questions,' 'resume editing,' and 'cancel.' This would most likely help staff having to close controversal topics so they don't have to find them and close them as often, making it fun for everyone. This could also help close fights that are High 1-A and 0 fights, though for a different reason (obviously) than above, but using keywords to help filter the threads.
 

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I doubt this is fully possible, @Battlemania
 
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Yeah, I know it might not, but it seems like a good idea to have some sort of key word finder to go through before they fully publish. If not there's always the good o'le fashion way.
 

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@Fakeusername This would take an enormous amount of time and effort that we do not have, and also not give us any notable worthwhile improvements to the wiki.

@Battlemania I do not know how to do that, and think that only Wikia's programming division have the access to create such a feature.
 
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Well, since that can't happen I want to propose something smaller and simple, yet similar- create a controversal page and add it to the "Welcome to Vs Battle Wiki" intro we give to newcomers or under "useful." Sure, it may be mentioned briefly in one page, but I think it deserves a notable page on its own, explaining what it means and giving a list of controversal characters (or series in of itself) and matchups.
 

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Well, that is more reasonable, but it is very hard to precisely define such a thing, and I am already overworked as it is, along with not being informed enough about the topic to write it.

As such, we have left it up to individual judgement regarding matchups that can easily get out of hand.
 
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I don't know if there is currently way to do so, but if not I would like to suggest adding the option to bookmark a page in a way that informs you about threads created about that page. Then you get a notification everytime someone opens a discussion listing that page as a tag. Klicking this notification would obviously lead to the thread in question.

This would make it easy to keep track of what is happening on the wiki concerning characters you are interested in.

This way you will get informed about vs-matchups, which will raise the completion rate of vs-threads. From my experience I can say that the completion rate of vs-threads, especially smaller franchises, is quite low (unless the creator keeps bumping for days). The reason for this is most likely because most users don't regularly check all the pages they are interested in. I do so, but it costs a lot of time.

It will also inform everyone interested about content revisions. This way the revisions can receive more input without having to be highlighted.
 

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What do people think about having something like a "Opponent request thread"?

When I make a new profile or stumble across an interesting character I usually want to try them out in a vs-thread, but finding a good match is often difficult.

If other people have similar problems having a thread where one can ask the community for ideas could be nice.
 
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