Suggested changes regarding supernovae

[Ti58]

Okay, so this page doesn't have supernova impostors, which are violent explosions caused by extreme eruptions of Luminous Blue Variable stars (LBV), which also sometimes experience normal outbursts, where only their temperature changes, but the luminosity stays the same (it increases a lot in the eruptions). Most famous example is the 19th century eta Carinae A Great Eruption, where it became so bright that it became the 2nd brightest star in the night sky after Sirius A. During the eruption, it released the energy of over 10^49 erg (source), which corresponds to attack potency of 4-C.

Luminous Red Novae release 10^49 erg of energy (source), which also corresponds to attack potency 4-C and not high 4-C.

Supernovae per the same paper release 10^51 erg of energy (also the 2023 supernova SN 2023ixf released 1.2 * 10^51 erg of energy per this paper which matches pretty well), which corresponds to high 4-C. However, supernovae range from 5-B (SN 2021fcg) to 4-B (for example SN 1998bw), it depends on the supernova)/

And Quark novae are 10^53 erg so 4-B.

I'll look into novae later.

 

[Dalesean027]

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[Antvasima]

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What do you think about this?

 

[DontTalkDT]

...I see no suggestion regarding change?

The supernova value is well known (we use Foe, the energy of a supernova, as unit in the AP chart).
The rest are pretty niche phenomena that I have never seen mentioned anywhere. Falls into the category of "can be looked up if anything ever mentions it" IMO.

 

[Antvasima]

Thank you for helping out.

 

[Agnaa]

I agree with DT.

 

[SunDaGamer]

Yeah, I'm not really seeing what needs to be changed here

 

[Ti58]

The tiers of supernovae + there are no supernova impostors on the page. That's what need to be changed.

 

[Agnaa]

I don't think those events are common enough in pop culture to deserve to be included.

But if you could find a few examples of fictional series invoking them, I could be swayed.

 

[Ti58]

I don't think those events are common enough in pop culture to deserve to be included.

But if you could find a few examples of fictional series invoking them, I could be swayed.

Luminous red novae are there and all types of novae (white dwarf outbursts) are there too. I don't think these are really that common either (especially LRNs)

 

[Agnaa]

I think it'd be fine to remove those tbh. Kinda feels like they were only included because they were all included in the source.

Although, looking at it, the source seems kinda sketchy, with it also including a bunch of unscientific things, and not including quark-nova despite it being cited for that on our Supernova page.

 

[Ti58]

I think it'd be fine to remove those tbh. Kinda feels like they were only included because they were all included in the source.

Although, looking at it, the source seems kinda sketchy, with it also including a bunch of unscientific things, and not including quark-nova despite it being cited for that on our Supernova page.

Yeah I agree with that tbh

 

[Antvasima]

So what should we do here then?

 

[Migue79]

I agree with Agnaa.

 

[Agnaa]

So what should we do here then?

Crop the Supernova page down to the most common types, to act as a better reference for feats in fiction.

Tweak the references to go towards primary sources, or scientifically-focused secondary sources.

 

[Antvasima]

Crop the Supernova page down to the most common types, to act as a better reference for feats in fiction.

Tweak the references to go towards primary sources, or scientifically-focused secondary sources.

That seems very reasonable.

Would you be willing to handle it?

 

[Agnaa]

I'd need a bit of advice on the fictionally common types of supernovae. Plus I don't personally know ideal sources.

I'm sure I'd be able to handle it with some digging, but I think others could do it better than I could.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. Thanks you for helping out.

 

[Antvasima]

So what should we do here then?

Crop the Supernova page down to the most common types, to act as a better reference for feats in fiction.

Tweak the references to go towards primary sources, or scientifically-focused secondary sources.

That seems very reasonable.

Would you be willing to handle it?

I'd need a bit of advice on the fictionally common types of supernovae. Plus I don't personally know ideal sources.

I'm sure I'd be able to handle it with some digging, but I think others could do it better than I could.

@DontTalkDT

Would you be willing to handle it please?

 

[DontTalkDT]

I'd need a bit of advice on the fictionally common types of supernovae.

Personally, I have never seen any piece of fiction mention anything but a regular supernova. Not much more I can say on that.
I suppose I could imagine the luminous red nova to be of relevance at a glance. Not because I think fiction would mention it in particular, but because two stars crashing into each other is a thing I could see happening across multiple works.

 

[Ti58]

Personally, I have never seen any piece of fiction mention anything but a regular supernova. Not much more I can say on that.
I suppose I could imagine the luminous red nova to be of relevance at a glance. Not because I think fiction would mention it in particular, but because two stars crashing into each other is a thing I could see happening across multiple works.

I think it's also notable that supernovae itself have several different types, and type Ia supernovae are I think rare in fiction as unlike other SN types they aren't stars exploding at the end of their life

 

[Antvasima]

Personally, I have never seen any piece of fiction mention anything but a regular supernova. Not much more I can say on that.
I suppose I could imagine the luminous red nova to be of relevance at a glance. Not because I think fiction would mention it in particular, but because two stars crashing into each other is a thing I could see happening across multiple works.

Thank you for your reply.

 

[Antvasima]

@Agnaa @DontTalkDT

Are you able to handle this now?

Suggested changes regarding supernovae

Okay, so this page doesn't have supernova impostors, which are violent explosions caused by extreme eruptions of Luminous Blue Variable stars (LBV), which also sometimes experience normal outbursts, where only their temperature changes, but the luminosity stays the same (it increases a lot in...

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[Agnaa]

I still lack the wisdom on better source-picking.