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[Lightning_XXI]

Galewind and Hellfire's scaling is vague but they did get Flashy Flash to use his best move so they're pretty comfortably above a majority of the S-Class

Not only that, but they tanked the Flashy Kicks, they were frozen thanks to the speed, but after receiving the attacks they were more preoccupied about "returning to formation", only with Instakill Flash casually slice them off

So physically they should be downscaling from him (and they are, on the profiles) and said Flash could match Plat and a Garou that stalemated AB Bang while sleeping

The duo are stronger than Bang, or at the very least comparable, and faster

The rest I think solo, Darkshine is very debatable given that there's obviously a genuine argument for Flashy Flash having higher raw AP and durability than him (which I still fully attribute to ONE and Murata not really thinking over before it got finalized), but I can't see them beating Bang or a full effort Metal Knight. Tatsumaki and Blast are obviously out of the question (unless they catch Tatsumaki off-guard which is what ninja's are traditionally supposed to do lol).

Darkshine simply cannot be matched or superior to them, being one shot by Golden Sperm and losing to a much weaker Garou puts him below the Ninja Duo quite directly

 

[Recon1511]

Flashy is pretty cracked for sure. I find the notion of him being stronger than Darkshine silly but ultimately still kind of just...true, lol. I don't think his overall strength is the same, but in terms of striking and maybe durability, yeah, his scaling is just too upfront and concrete to dispute it concretely.

I mean it certainly is just disbelief holding it together for Darkshine scaling above him physically but like you said, the scaling is so blatant and concrete there is no arguing against it.

That's why I also mentioned Flashy being taken out of the picture for a second time in the webcomic alongside Tatsumaki no less. ONE seems to intend for him to truly be top 3-4 of the S-Class (more so in the webcomic where most of the S Class are lacking featwise)

 

[Recon1511]

Seems like they will actually try to mix both pre-redraw and canon versions for the fight, I'd be excited if it wasn't JC Staff.

 

[darkphantom9805]

What was the difference between pre and post ret con phoenix man again ?

 

[Ourosboros]

What was the difference between pre and post ret con phoenix man again ?

Hey didn't you ask earlier how far off we were from the

Spoiler: WC

cyborg Boros reveal?

Well, the Manga is covering events from chapters 124-125-126 right now- the order is rearranged but the events are otherwise close to 1:1. The surprise you're thinking of doesn't happen until 150 so we've still somewhere between 1 - 2 years (assuming a little more than 1 WC chapter per month) before we learn about the status of "that character".

As for Phoenix Man- the big difference are that current Phoenix Man has...
(+) gained the Phoenix Space
(+) gained Penguin Man mode
(+) tried to reason much more with Child Emperor instead of just killing him

(-) lost his second death and second transformation, Brilliant Eagle Mode
(-) lost the titanic feat where Child Emperor's Millenium Emperor Nova burned a multi-block sized hole through the MA and up into the upper atmosphere
(-) lost definitive scaling above monsterized Hellfire and Gale, who were much more powerful as zombies in the original

I am confident we will see Brilliant Eagle Mode again in the God arc waaaaay down the line. I expect Phoenix Man will be one of the God's disciples after the Organization Arc happens. Likewise, Millenium Emperor Nova may reappear in the

Spoiler: WC

Super Brave Giant vs Metal Series fight

 

[Ourosboros]

Genos has a message for you all.

CHAPTER 220 TRANSLATED

 

[Epiccheev]

BS sharing the sandwiches with Rover was adorable. They are such good friends

 

[Ourosboros]

Genos casually intercepting limiter release Blue makes me wonder about Blue's scaling. How strong is he actually?

He resorts to named attacks to beat a demon level in Shell King, while in base I think?

He struggles during a controlled dragon fight with Eel dragon who he doesn't even kill despite the match-up presumably being a set-up.

Then he one-shots another dragon (?) level Mastiking when he goes to convince that one-sword guy to join the Neo-Heroes.

I'm really torn on it, but I think he's like TTM level in base (High demon) and maybe a little weaker than Brave Giant/Drive Knight's regular transformations while transformed.

Are any of the neo-leaders actually mid dragon or higher without suit/control amps?

 

[MrTayman616]

Genos casually intercepting limiter release Blue makes me wonder about Blue's scaling. How strong is he actually?

He resorts to named attacks to beat a demon level in Shell King, while in base I think?

He struggles during a controlled dragon fight with Eel dragon who he doesn't even kill despite the match-up presumably being a set-up.

Then he one-shots another dragon (?) level Mastiking when he goes to convince that one-sword guy to join the Neo-Heroes.

I'm really torn on it, but I think he's like TTM level in base (High demon) and maybe a little weaker than Brave Giant/Drive Knight's regular transformations while transformed.

Are any of the neo-leaders actually mid dragon or higher without suit/control amps?

He isn't that strong compared to the high tiers of S Class.

He's able to beat a dragon level after using all of the energy of his suit, barely. He considers demon levels as "so strong" and pose a real danger to him (varies).

Though he's stronger than TTM level.

 

[darkphantom9805]

why he is so fodder you would think being the son of blast that he’d be incredibly strong

 

[Raiden38]

He isn't that strong compared to the high tiers of S Class.

He's able to beat a dragon level after using all of the energy of his suit, barely. He considers demon levels as "so strong" and pose a real danger to him (varies).

Though he's stronger than TTM level.

He goes from taking down a demon level monster quite easily to struggling heavily against a dragon level and randomly taking out another dragon level like nothing...One is a little unsure of how strong the guy is

 

[Raiden38]

Genos casually intercepting limiter release Blue makes me wonder about Blue's scaling. How strong is he actually?

He resorts to named attacks to beat a demon level in Shell King, while in base I think?

He struggles during a controlled dragon fight with Eel dragon who he doesn't even kill despite the match-up presumably being a set-up.

Then he one-shots another dragon (?) level Mastiking when he goes to convince that one-sword guy to join the Neo-Heroes.

I'm really torn on it, but I think he's like TTM level in base (High demon) and maybe a little weaker than Brave Giant/Drive Knight's regular transformations while transformed.

Are any of the neo-leaders actually mid dragon or higher without suit/control amps?

ttm I wouldn't even put it at a high demon level personally but mid/mid-high demon level in the base version at most without other tank tops

 

[Quangotjokes]

He isn't that strong compared to the high tiers of S Class.

He's able to beat a dragon level after using all of the energy of his suit, barely. He considers demon levels as "so strong" and pose a real danger to him (varies).

Though he's stronger than TTM level.

May be stronger in this version

 

[PresentTrunks]

Genos casually intercepting limiter release Blue makes me wonder about Blue's scaling. How strong is he actually?

He resorts to named attacks to beat a demon level in Shell King, while in base I think?

To add to Tayman's points, I don't think he's physically particularly strong compared with S-Class heroes and Neo Leaders, but he is very powerful due to his weaponry.
Blue couldn't hurt the Demon level with kicks and punches, but easily tore it apart without even using his beam sabre before one-shotting it with that named attack.

He also didn't release his limiter to kill Mastiking (a Dragon level threat), so it's likely that Eel Dragon was simply far more powerful lesser Dragon level monsters, which would likely place him well above the same version of Genos that outraced him in terms of AP.

So, physically, he's only Dragon level with limiter release, but in terms of weaponry he's leagues above that even without releasing. Another thing to note is that it's implied he'd already lost at least some energy before the Eel Dragon fight.

He struggles during a controlled dragon fight with Eel dragon who he doesn't even kill despite the match-up presumably being a set-up.

Blue did kill Eel Dragon. It was just the only Dragon level threat intact enough from that day for Child Emperor to analyse.

Are any of the neo-leaders actually mid dragon or higher without suit/control amps?

Definitely not A, Accel, Infelsinave, Ryumon, Suiryu and Zaedats.

Possibly Raiden, since he seems to be above current PPP in base.

Also, there's no indication that Wavygyaza's suit (which may or may not be part of her body) amplifies her energy attacks, and (by surpassing her limits) she seems to be currently more powerful than a Machine God that was probably going to kill TTM, so she could be low or mid-Dragon with energy attacks.

 

[Ourosboros]

So it's likely that Eel Dragon was simply far more powerful lesser Dragon level monsters, which would likely place him well above the same version of Genos that outraced him in terms of AP.

So, physically, he's only Dragon level with limiter release, but in terms of weaponry he's leagues above that even without releasing. Another thing to note is that it's implied he'd already lost at least some energy before the Eel Dragon fight.

I find the implication that Mastiking was a legitimate dragon and that Eel Dragon was a cut above whatever you might call baseline a little difficult narratively, because I operated under the assumption that the five dragons were released by the Organization to embarrass the s-class and cause mass destruction. That being what it was, and given the modifications, I figured that the Organization had just flicked off a kill-switch to give Blue the win.

Re-reading the dialogue it seems like Blue did genuinely beat Eel Dragon to death, not sure. Maybe they didn't intend for Blue to run into Eel Dragon, hence why it was a tough fight unlike Mastiking who I feel was a set-up designed to make Blue look cool.

Blue did kill Eel Dragon. It was just the only Dragon level threat intact enough from that day for Child Emperor to analyse.

Blue will be fun to scale after his fights with Shell King and Eel Dragon get adapted. It'll be nice to have a hero with a measurable base, limiter release form, and various weapons and attacks that scale elsewhere separately.

Definitely not A, Accel, Infelsinave, Ryumon, Suiryu and Zaedats.

Possibly Raiden, since he seems to be above current PPP in base.

Also, there's no indication that Wavygyaza's suit (which may or may not be part of her body) amplifies her energy attacks, and (by surpassing her limits) she seems to be currently more powerful than a Machine God that was probably going to kill TTM, so she could be low or mid-Dragon with energy attacks.

I guess this fits the idea of neo-heroes just being cogs in the machine while the s-class are dangerously exceptional. Even TTM and PPP are much stronger than 2/3rds of the neo-leaders at a minimum.

Assuming Raiden is just somewhat stronger than PPP in base, then in the webcomic Blast, the imaginary version of King, Tatsumaki, Genos, Metal Knight, Flashy Flash, Super Brave Giant CE and Darkshine could all just walk into the neo-hero HQ and slap every single one of the (non S-class) neo-leaders unconscious without any issue.

In the manga it may be that Bang and Atomic Samurai could also easily solo the room. I guess the message is that nobody really exceptional with any intelligence would go along with the neo-leader formula.

 

[PresentTrunks]

How do you feel about pixel-scaling calcs for the webcomic? I used to be totally against it, but now I don't really care that much.

 

[Ourosboros]

How do you feel about pixel-scaling calcs for the webcomic? I used to be totally against it, but now I don't really care that much.

8 years ago I would have said ONE's art style makes pixel-scaling impossible.

However, he's gotten much better at landscapes to the point where I would support it on a case-by-case basis. For example, I did a pre-emptive calc of Super Brave-Giant entering from orbit at a certain speed without taking structural damage and I think that you could use nearby trees and hills to estimate his size, for example.

 

[MrTayman616]

So physically they should be downscaling from him (and they are, on the profiles) and said Flash could match Plat and a Garou that stalemated AB Bang while sleeping

They actually do scale to Country+ like Flashy Flash as far as i know. Kachon forgot to edit ig?

 

[Kachon123]

They actually do scale to Country+ like Flashy Flash as far as i know. Kachon forgot to edit ig?

They do not scale to Country+. They scale to half of Flashy's value, which is Country level. It's in the references of their profiles.

 

[MrTayman616]

They do not scale to Country+. They scale to half of Flashy's value, which is Country level. It's in the references of their profiles.

Oh i understand now, thanks.

 

[MrTayman616]

Can anyone tell if it'd be fine to use snail speed here?

 

[JustANormalPerson01]

Don't think so since we don't see FF frozen from Blast's perspective. And it'd be meaningless anyway because you can't use FF's speed as that'd be calc stacking.

 

[Ourosboros]

Not only that, but they tanked the Flashy Kicks, they were frozen thanks to the speed, but after receiving the attacks they were more preoccupied about "returning to formation", only with Instakill Flash casually slice them off

So physically they should be downscaling from him (and they are, on the profiles) and said Flash could match Plat and a Garou that stalemated AB Bang while sleeping

The duo are stronger than Bang, or at the very least comparable, and faster

Darkshine simply cannot be matched or superior to them, being one shot by Golden Sperm and losing to a much weaker Garou puts him below the Ninja Duo quite directly

This makes me think, maybe we could have a hellfire/gale matchup against Released Boros since they scale roughly the same

 

[Raiden38]

They do not scale to Country+. They scale to half of Flashy's value, which is Country level. It's in the references of their profiles.

yes even if their current profiles of ninja arc should scale entirely to that value etc

anyway I wonder how they will adapt the issue of Sonic and Flashy's power ups since in the manga and the webcomic they don't have the scrolls with the secret techniques and the EV swords mhm...maybe only with training?

 

[MrTayman616]

Don't think so since we don't see FF frozen from Blast's perspective. And it'd be meaningless anyway because you can't use FF's speed as that'd be calc stacking.

I was thinking of using 0.75c.

Flashy Flash is considered fast by Saitama to the point it impresses him, which the only other person doing it is Garou. (Both are FTL by feats as well)

In his eyes, it is stated that Saitama sees sub-light speed as nothing with visible feats of reaction as well. It could be usable ig.

 

[Ourosboros]

yes even if their current profiles of ninja arc should scale entirely to that value etc

anyway I wonder how they will adapt the issue of Sonic and Flashy's power ups since in the manga and the webcomic they don't have the scrolls with the secret techniques and the EV swords mhm...maybe only with training?

Hey Raiden... I've got a Raiden-based question for you since I was thinking about a certain match-up.

How well do you think Raiden (OPM) vs Raiden (Metal Gear) would match up in the following situations?

suitless OPM raiden vs. Metal Gear 4 Raiden
suited OPM raiden vs. Revengeance Raiden (vs Jetstream Sam on the train)
Controlled OPM Raiden vs. Revengeance Raiden with the Murasama High Frequency Blade

I was going to post it on another site but I assume you'd be an expert on this topic since it's literally your username

 

[Pepsiman25th]

Man... is Luna returning so much to ask for?

 

[Ourosboros]

Man... is Luna returning so much to ask for?

I think it's highly unlikely. For one thing, Blue has disney princess syndrome so Luna is probably still dead.

For another... I wonder if she'll be the same. Blast mentioned that Void was the only survivor of his own ninja village much like Flashy was, so I wonder if her lore won't change completely. Regardless, it depends on Blue and Blast interacting more. Which I don't think will happen until later in this arc, if at all. Regrettably many people feel that Blast has been overused as a character in these past few arcs so I think that content may be shoved until the god arc if we ever see her again.

It's not like we know about Tatsumaki and Fubuki's parents, even though they've produced two of the world's greatest espers because of their special genes. It's totally possible that Luna disappears forever I'm sorry to say

 

[Raiden38]

Hey Raiden... I've got a Raiden-based question for you since I was thinking about a certain match-up.

How well do you think Raiden (OPM) vs Raiden (Metal Gear) would match up in the following situations?

suitless OPM raiden vs. Metal Gear 4 Raiden
suited OPM raiden vs. Revengeance Raiden (vs Jetstream Sam on the train)
Controlled OPM Raiden vs. Revengeance Raiden with the Murasama High Frequency Blade

I was going to post it on another site but I assume you'd be an expert on this topic since it's literally your username

it's difficult because Raiden OPM I don't think I have any idea where he can scale in the webcomic but I'll try: it's clear that Raiden without armor is much less strong in terms of brute force in Darkshine but beyond that and the fact that despite everything he manages to do great damage without armor in Pri Pri Prisoner we don't know much about him without armor... instead Raiden with armor could have a high 6C / low 6B tier using a calculation that I think you made... through the fact that he destroyed the bishop bots of the metal series that damaged Isamu's super brave giant quite easily the fact is that in terms of speed feat OPM webcomic I don't know how to evaluate them beyond hypersonic + and taking the mach 3 value that was used as a starting point for the tests in Sonic it doesn't mean that the others go slower than the initial speed of the Machine God Shunpo because it's clear from Eguro's description that in addition to eliminating the irregularities that can hinder the organization's plans they also have the role of collecting battle data for modified soldiers so a a bit like what they did against the bots by slowly collecting data on Jachi testing his abilities so in this case Shunpo tested Sonic's famous speed by underestimating him and ending up being eliminated almost instantly by a Sonic who is actually extremely faster etc. as for the rest in terms of abilities Raiden called Jack the Ripper in the cyborg version has extremely better abilities than the Raiden of the webcomic and most likely has an even greater speed if we do not count the robots' lasers as lasers at the speed of light and Darkshine's feat of deflecting them and Pri Pri Prisoner's feat of intercepting them... on a pure AP level (without HF blade) pre-cyborgized Jack is much weaker than Raiden even the one against Sam at the beginning of Metal Gear Rising instead the fully cyborg one without ripper mode can easily exterminate Raiden without armor as for the current scaling of the webcomic sandbox it is always and only for pure AP if instead I have to take into account the HF blades and therefore the dura neg at the molecular level... the electrical manipulation that could short-circuit Raiden's armor leaving him without armor and the manipulation of matter I fear it is a fairly one-sided fight against more or less everything As for OPM's Raiden in the webcomic, if we do not take into account the scale not accepted of the calculation you showed, then at intelligence level Jack is simply superior and at LS level I could not say anything since there is nothing for Raiden (OPM) at the moment... so Jack with the muramasa against Raiden WC becomes much more unfair than before...
if you give him the hf Blade Jack which is much faster in combat than Raiden Opm from what I see from the sandboxes despite being weaker in attack he wins quite easily...
However, if Raiden (opm) manages to hit Jack he could have the upper hand via AP, but Jack has various abilities from the beginning, including invisibility and accelerated development, in addition to the HF blades which are very problematic for the Raiden of the webcomic... in MG4 he has electrical manipulation, which is very useful against Raiden (Opm) armor and immense pain tolerance.
So, in my opinion
1) Jack wins with mid diff/low-mid diff but if Raiden manages to hit Jack maybe Raiden win high-extreme diff
2)same as above but this time the difference in speed is even much higher so Jack win low diff
3)Jack the ripper win no-very low diff

Ps
(I can't call myself an expert but I'm a good connoisseur of almost everything Metal Gear)
I hope I managed to make myself understood

 

[Redcated]

yes even if their current profiles of ninja arc should scale entirely to that value etc

anyway I wonder how they will adapt the issue of Sonic and Flashy's power ups since in the manga and the webcomic they don't have the scrolls with the secret techniques and the EV swords mhm...maybe only with training?

EV is going to train them for the God fight, trust.

 

[Epiccheev]

EV is going to train them for the God fight, trust.

And before he sends them to God he will say "Godspeed"

 

[Recon1511]

Why is Fubuki 6-C lmao

 

[ShiftCtrlAltDeleteTabFn]

Why is Fubuki 6-C lmao

Was her profile never updated?

 

[57Dev]

I read the pre retcon Child Emperor vs Pheonix man fight. I really don't understand why it was changed.

It was soo good.

 

[Ourosboros]

why he is so fodder you would think being the son of blast that he’d be incredibly strong

I was about to say, in this case he's 16.

Consider how kid Flashy and Sonic had to train and train their way up to killing wolf? tiger? level monsters in the woods by age 11. Child Emperor is as strong as an A class hero at 10 years old, but I would believe he'll be somewhere between TTM and Darkshine in physical strength if he trains and continues to mature lol.

It's a mix of too little training, no combat experience (something Genos + Metal Bat have lots of despite only being slightly older) and the fact that he's not an adult.

He's a character that I'm sure will see lots of growth before the series ends.

 

[57Dev]

It's not like he has shown to inherit any superpowers from Blast anyway.

Which makes me question something. Are superpowers genetic or are they not ? Blatant example of this is that Tatsumaki and Fubuki both are pyschic (also their mom must be a super model or something because Damn)

Both Bang and Bomb are martial arts geniuses too.

 

[MrTayman616]

It's not like he has shown to inherit any superpowers from Blast anyway.

Which makes me question something. Are superpowers genetic or are they not ? Blatant example of this is that Tatsumaki and Fubuki both are pyschic (also their mom must be a super model or something because Damn)

Both Bang and Bomb are martial arts geniuses too.

In the retcon, it's implied that at least some of Blast's abilities are technology based and related to some kind of secret scientist.

Natural psychics are probably genetic based, but their parents seemingly are not psychics. Normal people can become psychics as well.

Bang and Bomb doesn't have superpowers though.

 

[57Dev]

I am sure Fubuki is the one who says Blast has robos and stuff but that's all rumors. For Bang and Bomb I was referring to talent and potential the same way Garou has it. Most people no matter how long they train won't get to their level.

 

[Ourosboros]

It's not like he has shown to inherit any superpowers from Blast anyway.

Well...

Which makes me question something. Are superpowers genetic or are they not ? Blatant example of this is that Tatsumaki and Fubuki both are pyschic (also their mom must be a super model or something because Damn)

Both Bang and Bomb are martial arts geniuses too.

Powers are either genetic or assigned by fate. I prefer genetics because Blast + Blue, Tatsumaki+ Fubuki, Suicho+ Suiryu + Suiko, Bang + Bomb + they come from a long line of martial artists, Metal Bat and Zenko.

I think that's enough examples without any other proof to say that powers can be inherited. But we have a statement on this specific question from Dr. Genus in chapter 88 when he talks about the limiter...

"The heroes who wield power great enough to confront [monsters] were originally born with enough potential to become that strong, and eventually obtained their power through talent or hard work. Others obtained special abilities by mechanizing their body or through human experimentation... Yet there are those who could've been born with genius intellect like myself or esper powers."

So there you go. It's genetic potential that needs to be trained. There's no way that Suicho+Suiryu+Suiko don't have a superhuman strength gene while most people can train for years and not even qualify for c-class (Webigaza and Sekingar). Likewise, Bang and Bomb's Dad had superhuman genes, Pig God's Mom had the power to inspire the most potent "YO MOMMA SO FAT" jokes the world has ever imagined and so on.

In Blast's specific case, we learn in the retconned chapters that Blast is working with a 'scientist' and Sitch before he met Empty Void. IMO Blast has Superpower genetics, magically bestowed powers (from some cosmic source), and special technology that channels these abilities.

Blue can tango with demon levels naturally (no limiter release, no energy beams) and is super inexperienced. That's pure genetics, and there likely is some energy projection ability since both of them have the swirly eyes and ring hands as I've pointed out. Unless Blast's scientist only used that technology twice and then died I don't see why only a father and son would have both of those abilities.

 

[Ourosboros]

In the retcon, it's implied that at least some of Blast's abilities are technology based and related to some kind of secret scientist.

Natural psychics are probably genetic based, but their parents seemingly are not psychics. Normal people can become psychics as well.

Bang and Bomb doesn't have superpowers though.

I would still call c-class and above strength a superpower, since most people aren't strong enough to qualify for c-class despite years of hardcore intense training- like I said some people in the OPM world can only get irl bodybuilder strength via a life-time in the gym + steroids, while someone like Child Emperor can do a few push-ups at 10 years old and be 2x physically stronger than a 500 kg bear.

If the Okame Mask bonus chapter is literal Child Emperor is 90x stronger than a regular guy who works out (HA member), for example, while someone like beginning of series PPP (assuming a level of 7,000 compared to the jumping spider demon) would be 320x stronger than a fit person with normal genetic potential.

It could also be a logarithmic scale and the difference is more like thousands, millions and billions times difference in strength