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STRONGEST One-Punch Man Discussion Thread!
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Very likely, like Zhoniin said on his review, Manga Flash is kind of a different animal when compared to WC Flash, Sonic might reach Flash's level, I wouldn't worry about it, but overtime
Flash did all of those feats from the last 3 chapters (I think) literally with a pokerface, I don't think any of those ninjas really saw his best there, he seems friendly with Sonic too, so I wonder if he really went all out AP wise on those kicks
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Anyways, how strong do we feel the average heavenly ninja party member is?
If that was really all it took to defeat them, they all honestly come off as weaker than monsterized Hellfire and Gale.
We'd need some statement like "I'm twice as strong as two weeks ago" from Flashy to prove otherwise
Like the muscular ninja seemed to literally be just about as strong as TTM, his rubble toss was honestly less impressive than TTM's building throw. He threw like 15 motorcycle-sized chunks of ceramic 200 meters into the air. That said, I feel like most of these guys are low/mid dragons, don't see them rivaling the s-class at all
Awakening Breath Bang and Sunblade Atomic together would probably beat them
If that was really all it took to defeat them, they all honestly come off as weaker than monsterized Hellfire and Gale.
We'd need some statement like "I'm twice as strong as two weeks ago" from Flashy to prove otherwise
Like the muscular ninja seemed to literally be just about as strong as TTM, his rubble toss was honestly less impressive than TTM's building throw. He threw like 15 motorcycle-sized chunks of ceramic 200 meters into the air. That said, I feel like most of these guys are low/mid dragons, don't see them rivaling the s-class at all
Awakening Breath Bang and Sunblade Atomic together would probably beat them
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and more than dragon levels they would be demon levels like human Hellfire Flame and Gale Wind
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Without some statements, I'd leave them at the current Gale and Flame level and that's it
Now, even with Flash apparently stating how weak they look when compared to PS, those two are scaling to MA Flash via being confident of fighting him again, but I'm starting to disagree with that confidence scaling, since all of these ninjas are looking pretty overconfident on their power
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It’s taking so long to get to the void ninja
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Yeah well the chapters have just be so short. In terms of page count, the whole Sonic vs. Flashy Flash and Heavenly Ninja Party fights are collectively 50 pages. That's about two average sized chapters worth of content for two dragon level fights.
They could have honestly doubled the length of the fight if they wanted to make the Heavenly Ninja Party look decent, but Murata's clearly not primarily focusing on OPM right now which is understandable but unfortunate
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Versus was better
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S class heroes meeting the versus heroes
Tatsumaki: "What do you mean you called us here.?...Blast is the one who opened a portal to save us from our natural enemy, the Boronians"
Tatsumaki: "What do you mean you called us here.?...Blast is the one who opened a portal to save us from our natural enemy, the Boronians"
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you understood what i meant.
dont play dumb
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Why are you using the halved value of the SP2 instead of the full value?
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So read the new raw manga chapter. Gotta say chapters like these are the reason why I've never felt the same hype towards OPM ever since the Monster Association arc ended. Instead of the webcomic, where Flash and Sonic fight together as equals, both of them showing their own merits and abilities throughout the fight with the Heavenly Ninja Party, here Sonic's treated like a joke and an accessory to Flash that needs to be bailed out by him in order to actually stand a chance. It really diminishes his character in my eyes. Webcomic's never really had this problem and does a good job of balancing humor with seriousness. Manga could do this better before, but now it's lost that and traded character for humor, again.
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Well from what I could figure out with machine translation is that Flashy Flash is obviously the stronger one of the pair and that he insists on training but most importantly that obsessing over damaged pride won't allow one to become stronger (as he remembers Platinum Sperm, who mocked him exactly for that) which has clearly been Sonic's problem from the start
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Huh. That does make the pill easier to swallow and give Flash some extra development on that pride of his. It'd still be better if Sonic got some chance to shine in the next chapter, assuming that all of the Heavenly Ninja Party isn't dead already.
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Oh yeah, I would have liked to see the Serious Side Hops or at least a variant of it that's actually useful for Sonic lol
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It's especially frustrating, because the manga was doing so well in the beginning of the MA arc when it came to adopting the webcomic and expanding on it while making sure to keep it serious. Like Flash vs Gale Wind and Hellfire Flame? It was a completely awesome fight that not only expanded the lore of the ninja village but also gave Flash another chance to show his stuff while also making the interactions seem natural. THAT was really a fight that kept me on the edge of my seat and desperate for the next chapter to come out.
Same goes for most of the battles between the MA cadres and S-class heroes. I enjoyed the battle with Child Emperor vs Phoenix Man, all versions of the fight, because it gave Child Emperor some growth and also expanded on Phoenix Man's abilities. Garou's fight with Darkshine was excellent and showed Garou as despair incarnate while picking apart Darkshine's ideals.
Then when everybody came up to the surface, that's where it all started to fall apart, where comedy started to overtake seriousness, characterization was tossed aside, random monsters appeared out of nowhere, and God took over the plot when it should've just focused on Garou. Now, we got characters like Garou, Sonic and Sweet Mask to an extent being treated as jokes or having their big moments taken away. Really bums a guy out.
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Absolutely, it really makese me wonder why the manga has changed direction like this when the webcomic is not only kept its brutal, serious side but arguably gotten scarier and more intense in that respect with stuff like the death of Kuseno, Genos's rage and the risk of cyberization.
Why is the manga changing like this but the webcomic isn't? They should be both written pretty much exclusively by ONE, why would he theme them differently like this? I don't understand certain sequences being softened up nor do I like that
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Yes, this! It just feels odd that the webcomic is keeping its serious tone but the manga isn't. Like there was some sort of change midway through, whether it's because Murata took over some creative control or ONE just couldn't bother to implement his own ideas, but ONE should've definitely been kept in charge of the storyboard for the manga. Now, it's starting to feel like a different story. There're still some serious parts in the manga, but for me, they keep getting overshadowed by the less serious moments that are becoming more common.
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ONE does everything for the Webcomic. For the manga he'll plot outlines and approve or disapprove of Murata's art, but Murata said he fills in the blanks in that outline and is free to add his own ideas.
My guess is that like with Eyeshield Murata has steadily been given more control or the outlines have gotten vague, resulting in him doing more of his own stuff. Considering ONE is split on other projects it's not an unrealistic possibility.
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Seems like the most likely explanation. It's still a big disappointment, though. Don't want to diss on Murata, but I wish he'd try to keep a bit more of the serious spirit from the webcomic if this explanation is true.
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I mean aside from Metal Bat teaming up with Garou I don't agree with this at all.
The fight on the surface kept the tone serious particularly with moments like Genos shielding Tatsumaki's body with his own and I find Sweet Mask's speech to Darkshine (this sequence) far more appealing than him lifting a big rock and crushing some Black Sperm clones lol
Also Sonic has always edged between being a joke and a serious character, more joke than serious considering he slips on dogshit or "feels more powerful" after losing 3 kilos because of diarrhea lol
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I figure much of it is Murata having more of a say on characterization, but I didn't want to say that out loud since I know many people get upset at the notion that Murata is responsible for changes in the manga's plot (as opposed to ONE directing him to portray things in gentler fashion). I wasn't sure of this theory until the webcomic started up again after its hiatus, stayed on theme while still also incorporating manga elements like Brave Giant, Bristle Armor and Suiryu
The fact that the webcomic is continuing and incorporating in previously manga-exclusive additions while staying gritty makes it feel like the softening has to either be Murata or some publishing force at work
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Or ONE is aware that both continuities are different and writes accordingly? If he started to add manga characterization and plot points all of a sudden it wouldn't make sense in the WC.
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Yea, the Metal Bat & Garou team-up was the one I was really focused on specifically. The other fights were indeed very serious and gave a very malevolent tone. Indeed, the one area I'd argue where the manga actually outdid the webcomic in terms of seriousness and cruelty was Fuhrer Ugly. That guy was ******* TERRIFYING when he got to the surface. He really sold himself as a threat and was able to take down a lot of the S-class heroes.
I guess the more appropriate way I should've phrased it was ever since Safe Centipede appeared, that's when things started to fall apart and seriousness was exchanged for comedy, or the plot changes ended up not panning out very well in the end. Platinum Sperm was fine as a final boss, and Sage Centipede wasn't needed.
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I was open to that possiblity earlier on but the more manga-exclusive elements ONE inserts into the webcomic, the more I doubt that he intends for them to be fundamentally different narratives. I mentioned Brave Giant and Bristle Armor as things ONE has grafted into the webcomic since returning from the hiatus to show that he's been putting in work to have webcomic and manga character arcs and powerlevels intersect.
Obviously he can't go back and write cosmic Garou into the webcomic but it looks to me like he's trying to bring the WC more into line with the manga continuity. That he's made a marked effort to do so after the tone of the manga changed ( tonal changes that correspond to changes in ONE and Murata's workloads with Versus & Village Animations/DBZ Gallery/etc respectively). So I really don't think ONE is choosing to tone down the manga while keeping the webcomic gritty for continuity's sake
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Safe Centipede lol, that's a good one. The sense of danger in the manga really dropped with his introduction so that's pretty funny and accurate slander
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Child Emperor building Brave Giant and PPP gaining his Bristle Armor isn't at all comparable to the complete narrative changes during the MA arc, if you don't notice how fundamentally different they are then you are up for a really proper and long re-read of both.
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Most of the complete narrative changes you're referring to in the manga had been set up 4-6 years before the tonal change I'm talking about here, Orochi was introduced when, 2016? He was introduced so Tatsumaki taking damage would be plausible and the MA raid arc must have been around that time too, meaning the structure of the MA and the MA raid would have already been fundamentally different by then
I'm specifically referring to the widespread sappification of many characters after chapters 140/157 which correspond to changes in the Phoenix Man, Amai Mask and Orochi redraws and comparing it to the webcomic chapters after the 2021-22 hiatus. Making heroes more friendly, heroes less violent, villains less threatening and more. Not that there was a hard heel-turn at any particular point, especially considering Tatsumaki's behavior in the Psykorochi fight, but it was really noticeable in the Stones and Diamonds chapter and tthe Sage Centipede fight.
And man, I just reread the webcomic from Rover vs Garou up till the current chapters and the manga MA arc in November, do I really have to do that again, already?
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https://cubari moe/read/imgur/tXGciSV/1/1/
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Too slow, I'm not worthy of the ninja village
Looks like the fight is over
No useable Platinum S statement
Looks like the fight is over
No useable Platinum S statement
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You know the chapter is short when translation team took posted it like 4 hours earlier than usual
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yeah,it cannot be THIS SHORT
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Could you maybe hold off on that for a month? There's the possibility Flashy Flash has some interaction with Empty Void, or that there's more to the Heavenly Ninja Party.
I'd prefer it if we had a CRT for this arc with new keys for Sonic, Flashy and a new profile for Empty Void
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