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Isn't Garou's whole schtick here the ability to literally copy power levels?
Also how is it the same Garou that blitzed Sperm? The Garou that fought Saitama literally had galaxies swirling on his body, the one fighting Sperm didn't.
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Also how is it the same Garou that blitzed Sperm? The Garou that fought Saitama literally had galaxies swirling on his body, the one fighting Sperm didn't.
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Same Garou as in character, Garou went through 4 or 5 transformations since then. That's why we are technically low-balling heavily by using .0001 millisecond timeframe which is the reaction of pretty much first-form monster Garou. The logic we're using is that Saitama knocked Garou, who can react and fight in a .0001 millisecond timeframe canonically on panel, around Io before he can retaliate.
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I thought the speed was 1.3 milliseconds
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1.3 milliseconds is the timeframe for the entire structure Garou and Platinum made but Garou and Platinum and Garou have time frames before that (first panel on this page) leading up to 1.3 milliseconds feat that show them fighting at .0001 milliseconds.
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I don't think you're understanding what the feat is. Garou is not blitzing anything. Saitama is blitzing Garou's reactions and knocked him all over Io before he could do anything. Garou's reactions has been shown to be at least 0.0001 seconds when he was much weaker and slower than he is now, so the timeframe of 0.0001 seconds makes sense.
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It's a good thing they skipped Fubuki vs Psykos to the next arc
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You want us to simply ignore the manga version and only create webcomic profiles going forward?
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@DontTalkDT @Executor_N0 What do you think of this? Should this make the timeframe usable for the Io feat since a more-powerful Garou would be undeniably be above his former weaker self that had such a reaction timeframe?
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I personally don't see anything wrong with using the timeframe. Of course it's a huge lowball, but it's all we have to work with.
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Much better and way more reasonable than lowballing him down to human-level reactions.
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I liked cosmic Garou but the post fight wrapped everything up in the worst way physically possible.
Time travel? Everything that happened being irrelevant character wise? Genos thinks Saitama was a hero in this exchange even though a running theme of the fight was that he was a dangerous entity who only has one connection to humanity? For some reason I’m supposed to give a shit about Garou’s resolution even though it’s clunky as hell and feels really out of place due to the time travel shenanigans? WHAT THE **** IS GOING ON?????
WHY HAS MY PEAK FICTION BEEN TAKEN AWAY???
Time travel? Everything that happened being irrelevant character wise? Genos thinks Saitama was a hero in this exchange even though a running theme of the fight was that he was a dangerous entity who only has one connection to humanity? For some reason I’m supposed to give a shit about Garou’s resolution even though it’s clunky as hell and feels really out of place due to the time travel shenanigans? WHAT THE **** IS GOING ON?????
WHY HAS MY PEAK FICTION BEEN TAKEN AWAY???
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Understand what you're talking about before you speak.
The mid-end of my calc is not calc stacking. Read this page. I'm honestly surprised by the amount of people who don't understand what calc stacking is. This is ridiculous.
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Alright.
Can anyone here make a perfectly reasonable analysis on @Kachon123's calc and make an argument for why the mid end is calc stacking?
No? You can't? So I cordially ask you to shut your mouths, or rather your fingers. Literally, why are we against indexing accurate information?
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Last I checked the mid end for your calc was using apparent speed for the shockwaves, dunno what it is now.
Regardless I don’t think it’s a “reliably stated time frame” cause I don’t think it’s reliable one ******* bit. Say I have a reaction speed of 0.2 seconds. If someone a billion times faster than me hits me repeatedly in that amount of time in different places I’m not going to be able to intercept a single one of their hits. It doesn’t have to be in the millisecond range in terms of time frame for Garou to be blitzed.
Regardless I don’t think it’s a “reliably stated time frame” cause I don’t think it’s reliable one ******* bit. Say I have a reaction speed of 0.2 seconds. If someone a billion times faster than me hits me repeatedly in that amount of time in different places I’m not going to be able to intercept a single one of their hits. It doesn’t have to be in the millisecond range in terms of time frame for Garou to be blitzed.
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"I don't think" ain't an argument. We see a clock and a gazillion times slower Garou reacting in that period, it's his official reaction timeframe.
It does. If all these movement happened before you could realize what's going on, it's in that timeframe.
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That is not at all what Kachon's mid-end was using. Only my slow-mo calculator uses speed for shockwaves, which was a reasonable 343 m/s given its size on the moon of Io, IRL explosives have their shockwave velocity drop like a ******* rock within 1 foot of the epicenter, but I'm having a hard time finding that calculator since the link is dead, but DT made one.
That I can't agree with, because then this assumes the entire Garou vs Golden Sperm feat is invalid, which is bullshit by a long ******* shot.
Or else you're nuking the validity of IRL projectile speeds or IRL timeframes as well.
Wrong, pre-Saitama fight Garou could literally do an ass-load of movements within that specified timeframe as shown in the manga even before we're exceeding to the atmosphere, if you're blitzing him to that egregious degree, chances are extremely high you're moving way faster than what his perception timeframe would allow.
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It was never that. I don't know what you're talking about.
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It’s not just travel speed
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At this point I may delete the low end I had and make the current mid end the low end instead.
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That should be fine to do
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“"I don't think" ain't an argument. We see a clock and a gazillion times slower Garou reacting in that period, it's his official reaction timeframe.”
It was a precursor dude, you are engaging with so much unprovoked heat it’s sort of comical. Cool down a bit.
“It does. If all these movement happened before you could realize what's going on, it's in that timeframe.”
Prove he didn’t realise what was going on. The reason he didn’t place portals is cause as soon as he does he’d be in a completely different ******* area and obviously he can’t deflect. He was even yelling and shit lol.
It was a precursor dude, you are engaging with so much unprovoked heat it’s sort of comical. Cool down a bit.
“It does. If all these movement happened before you could realize what's going on, it's in that timeframe.”
Prove he didn’t realise what was going on. The reason he didn’t place portals is cause as soon as he does he’d be in a completely different ******* area and obviously he can’t deflect. He was even yelling and shit lol.
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“That I can't agree with, because then this assumes the entire Garou vs Golden Sperm feat is invalid, which is bullshit by a long ******* shot.
Or else you're nuking the validity of IRL projectile speeds or IRL timeframes as well.”
Eh, yeah. I just misunderstood what the calc was about cause I hadn’t actually seen it. Still think it’s wrong tho.
Or else you're nuking the validity of IRL projectile speeds or IRL timeframes as well.”
Eh, yeah. I just misunderstood what the calc was about cause I hadn’t actually seen it. Still think it’s wrong tho.
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Done.
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Read the chapter.
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All that proves is that he couldn’t react to Saitama or the speed Saitama was throwing him at in shorter intervals and not across the entire ping pong. Which is what my point is.
He’s literally shown screaming and sweating, it’s not like one moment he was jumping and the other the ping pong was over.
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It doesn't even matter if he fully knew what was going on. Fact is, Garou and PS had a long ass fight from their perspective where they made god knows how many attacks, dodges, leaps and counters. Saitama just smashed Garou to the point where he couldn't really react to any blow and only broke out after it occurred.
Garou here had already powered up to the point where he could blitz Platinum Sperm (who performed the feat), increased his powers against Saitama, transformed twice (explicitly increasing his abilities a lot) while simultaneously increasing his powers with evolution, received a massive amp from God, boosted his abilities further by copying Saitama, and continued to evolve even more.
Even if he was just a bit surprised by the speed of what was happening, that's probably more than enough for the Garou that fought on par with PS, let alone Garou here.
Garou here had already powered up to the point where he could blitz Platinum Sperm (who performed the feat), increased his powers against Saitama, transformed twice (explicitly increasing his abilities a lot) while simultaneously increasing his powers with evolution, received a massive amp from God, boosted his abilities further by copying Saitama, and continued to evolve even more.
Even if he was just a bit surprised by the speed of what was happening, that's probably more than enough for the Garou that fought on par with PS, let alone Garou here.
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So? This doesn’t change the fact that he can still fail to produce a decent counterattack even if the entire process of him getting ping pinged around a moon is done in a time frame he can respond to. All that is needed for him to not be able to do anything is that he can’t react in much smaller intervals.
If I’m fighting somebody and before I can react I’ve been moved 50 metres away I won’t be able to do Jack shit to the person who did that no matter how long they keep doing that.
For him to be a bit surprised all Saitama needs to do is be significantly faster than him. For Garou not to be able to respond Saitama only needs to be a few multiple times faster than him, that’s all. Mentioning that Garou powered up can only be relevant if you can prove that those amps gave him a speed boost in the thousands.
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Jesus ******* Christ I know, that’s why every comment I’ve made has been considerate of this. What do you think the arguments you’ve been replying to are lol?
Okay so you’re responding to the “Garou would be thousands of times stronger” thing I’m assuming. My entire stance for this whole exchange is that the amount Saitama would have to be faster than Garou to throw him around a moon is not as impressive as people seem to think so the only way your point about “Garou got stronger” would matter is if Garou got thousands of times faster. Sorry you said something irrelevant so I responded with something that sounded irrelevant ig.
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Clearly, you're not getting what I'm saying, so I'm honestly not going to bother with you here. It's not worth the effort.
I get what you're saying, it just doesn't ******* matter. Garou couldn't really react at all, at any point, couldn't focus, and only broke out after. It's definitely the entire damn fight and not just the individual intervals. Which is why I saying that it didn't even matter if Garou fully knew what was going on in.
It doesn't matter that he's only moving across parts of Io, because Garou was ******* demolished the entire time, whereas he previously had an entire fight waving through debris thousands of times in a weaker form.
I get what you're saying, it just doesn't ******* matter. Garou couldn't really react at all, at any point, couldn't focus, and only broke out after. It's definitely the entire damn fight and not just the individual intervals. Which is why I saying that it didn't even matter if Garou fully knew what was going on in.
It doesn't matter that he's only moving across parts of Io, because Garou was ******* demolished the entire time, whereas he previously had an entire fight waving through debris thousands of times in a weaker form.
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You don't need to. Perception timeframes are much swifter than reaction speeds and even movement speeds. That 0.1 millisecond timeframe he's got going on is literally part of his movement speed in actuality, so his reactions would scale to it bare minimum, his perception would scale much higher like it does with IRL humans.
"Still think it's wrong tho".
Based on? Don't just say why you think you're wrong.
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since the debate is almost over can we make a CRT about their achievements in io month now?
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Can you link your calc here? I wanna see.
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One-Punch Man: Saitama and Garou Jump Around Io
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