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Has the Class T end for Tanktop been accepted?
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I don't think so, it looks like Ugarik accepted the original class G end back in January, not the Class T end when it was updated recently. If the Class T end was accepted, there would be a more recent comment by a calc member I'm sure. We should ask for feedback on that calc.
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I'm curious about something, isn't the hollowness of buildings suppose to be 80% at the lowest?
Why is 60% being used? Apologies if this is obvious, but I didn't see any explanation in the calc itself.
Why is 60% being used? Apologies if this is obvious, but I didn't see any explanation in the calc itself.
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Only Usklaverei could tell you that, I'm not sure.
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I can use 80%, at the time I don't even know why I used 60% haha
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Well if there isn't a special reason, 80% hollowness should be used instead, as it is the standard.
I assume it wouldn't change the results by a huge margin, but it should be changed.
I assume it wouldn't change the results by a huge margin, but it should be changed.
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Ah I see. So just 2 calcs now. And I guess throw in the black sperm tsunami as well.
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Giant Snowman, Genos recalc and sperm Tsunami then?
Speaking of all the calcs we have out there, we should do a CRT. We should make profiles for the Council of Swordsmen (Nichirin, Zanbai and Amahare), update Homeless Emperor with his new calc (and I would argue infinite stamina for his abilities, normal human physique for his abilities?) and update Black Sperm- anyone else who needs to be updated should also be updated.
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I'm making the current CRT. I just need all the points we have as of now so I can throw em in.
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Awesome. So do you need all those calcs done before you can start it, or what are you waiting on? If you could get it done before this coming Sunday that would be great- since I won't be able to participate in it otherwise.
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Chapter 146 came out this past Friday, which is probably what you're talking about. Have you read that one yet?
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I'm waiting for the speed thread to be done, as well as the the calcs that need to be done
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So, the Genos, Giant Snowman and Black Sperm calcs? I'll wait another couple days to see if anyone will take on the Black Sperm calc, I'm busy implementing the low tier CRT stuff that has been agreed upon.
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I meant ch. 147
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How about the rough Geno's calc? It'll help us see how they future scaling chain would go
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Wait... what, chapter 147? Raws this soon? The last chapter only came out 4 days ago. Do you have a link for the raws you're talking about??
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[第191話] ワンパンマン - ＯＮＥ/村田雄介 | となりのヤングジャンプ
時代が求めたニューヒーロー『一撃男』と言えば?!? 『WEB界のカリスマ』と『最強ジャンプ遺伝子』の超強力タッグが描き出す！ 平熱系最強ヒーロー“サイタマ”の日常ノックアウトコミック!!
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Beware though....I wouldnt look at the rest of the chapter is I was u
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That is the chapter that came out days ago bruh[第191話] ワンパンマン - ＯＮＥ/村田雄介 | となりのヤングジャンプ
時代が求めたニューヒーロー『一撃男』と言えば?!? 『WEB界のカリスマ』と『最強ジャンプ遺伝子』の超強力タッグが描き出す！ 平熱系最強ヒーロー“サイタマ”の日常ノックアウトコミック!!
Beware though....I wouldnt look at the rest of the chapter is I was u
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This is chapter 146 you've got linked here, translations here.[第191話] ワンパンマン - ＯＮＥ/村田雄介 | となりのヤングジャンプ
時代が求めたニューヒーロー『一撃男』と言えば?!? 『WEB界のカリスマ』と『最強ジャンプ遺伝子』の超強力タッグが描き出す！ 平熱系最強ヒーロー“サイタマ”の日常ノックアウトコミック!!
Beware though....I wouldnt look at the rest of the chapter is I was u
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I made a fight that will be one hell of a challenge for Garou. https://vsbattles.com/threads/garou-vs-baki-hanma.118608/
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This is an interesting watch
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These Garou threads got me feeling sad about the state of OPM dragon scaling. Be aware that this is a demonstration of what scaling could be but we have no feats superior to JDA at this point, it's definitely not a serious recommendation for how we should do things since it would be calc stacking.
Consider the following:
We scale the Garou that fought Genos roughly to JDA, so that's 1.22 megatons for peak hero hunter Garou.
Let's say the Garou that fought Royal Ripper and Bug God was still 1.22 megatons- Garou still couldn't scratch Bug God, so let's say Bug God's durability is 5 times stronger than Garou's/Royal Ripper's AP. That would be 6.1 megatons.
Then Bug God transforms and get's pulverized by a casual shot from Darkshine. Literally pulverized- you should in theory have to be many, many times stronger than someone's durability to turn them into a fine goo like that. Compare what it takes to fragment rock vs pulverizing it- it's a 26X difference. But let's lowball the difference at 7.5X, enough to one-shot a normal human being (but certainly not pulverize them). That would be 45.75 megatons for Darkshine's casual AP.
And that's casual, so let's say it's half regular power (although it's more likely 1/8th, Darkshine clearly put in more effort against Garou and that still was far from his 100%) and put the difference at 2X. That would be 91.5 megatons for Darkshine's 100%.
Now current Garou matched that power in his spiral mode. And after matching this, Garou has transformed yet again- presumably becoming drastically more powerful. Let's lowball that difference at 2X. That would be 183 megatons for current Garou's AP.
In this scaling chain, there's so many steps between HHG Garou and current Garou, yet we still entertain the possibility that current Garou could be low 7-B to some degree, even though he's stronger than someone who was strong enough to casually pulverize someone who was far too durable for his 1.22 megatons form. By our scaling, a fight between Hero Hunter Garou and current Garou wouldn't be a total stomp from an AP perspective using the low 7-B end- even though we know that current Garou could very casually pulverize the Garou that fought Royal Ripper (base bug god was more durable than this Garou).
Consider the following:
We scale the Garou that fought Genos roughly to JDA, so that's 1.22 megatons for peak hero hunter Garou.
Let's say the Garou that fought Royal Ripper and Bug God was still 1.22 megatons- Garou still couldn't scratch Bug God, so let's say Bug God's durability is 5 times stronger than Garou's/Royal Ripper's AP. That would be 6.1 megatons.
Then Bug God transforms and get's pulverized by a casual shot from Darkshine. Literally pulverized- you should in theory have to be many, many times stronger than someone's durability to turn them into a fine goo like that. Compare what it takes to fragment rock vs pulverizing it- it's a 26X difference. But let's lowball the difference at 7.5X, enough to one-shot a normal human being (but certainly not pulverize them). That would be 45.75 megatons for Darkshine's casual AP.
And that's casual, so let's say it's half regular power (although it's more likely 1/8th, Darkshine clearly put in more effort against Garou and that still was far from his 100%) and put the difference at 2X. That would be 91.5 megatons for Darkshine's 100%.
Now current Garou matched that power in his spiral mode. And after matching this, Garou has transformed yet again- presumably becoming drastically more powerful. Let's lowball that difference at 2X. That would be 183 megatons for current Garou's AP.
In this scaling chain, there's so many steps between HHG Garou and current Garou, yet we still entertain the possibility that current Garou could be low 7-B to some degree, even though he's stronger than someone who was strong enough to casually pulverize someone who was far too durable for his 1.22 megatons form. By our scaling, a fight between Hero Hunter Garou and current Garou wouldn't be a total stomp from an AP perspective using the low 7-B end- even though we know that current Garou could very casually pulverize the Garou that fought Royal Ripper (base bug god was more durable than this Garou).
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Yeah I think that whole upscaling thread was absolutely pointless as it solved nothing as just removed the only upscaling standard we had.
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Because Darkshine still is incredibly powerful, if you go around one-shotting dragon level threats and "steamrolling" someone like Black Sperm, it's hard not to get arrogant. Once Darkshine really takes damage and gets physically broken by a superior opponent like Awakened Garou, we'll see where he really is.
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Anyways, here's a sick colouring of Garou's new form, whatever it is called.
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I have a question about outliers. If several characters A, which are much lower in tier, repeatedly withstand the attacks of characters B . if C character kills a d character much more easily, does it count as a difference greater than the difference between A and B? Because author more likely to think of it as a much larger gap if it's written by the same author.
I know linear scaling doesn't work.
But, I am curious about how the power rating(ex mid,high dragon) in the fiction is work before the tier is applied.
(I'm actually asking about One Punch Man in wiki.
Because this is also the case with opm.)
I know linear scaling doesn't work.
But, I am curious about how the power rating(ex mid,high dragon) in the fiction is work before the tier is applied.
(I'm actually asking about One Punch Man in wiki.
Because this is also the case with opm.)
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I'm not sure I understand this tho.
But basically, if something is not consistent with a character's general feats or how the character is portrayed, then it is an outlier.
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Perhaps this is due to lack of sleep, but I do not understand what 0.874 is.
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Um, I mean, it's obviously outrageous for B~A-class heroes to withstand demon-level melee attacks, but it's pretty repetitive. Ex: Yes Garou was exhausted, But he had to work hard to take them down is true. In any case, it is obviously outlier. but when see his repetition, he recognizes that it is an outlier, but is more likely to he think of the keep using outlier because is acceptable gap.
Because if over certain level of gap, there was no such case at all.
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Are you referring to the whole Garou vs low tier class scenes? Because theme harming should all be outliers, that and Garou is likely holding back as to not to kill them, as he does not kill humans
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Have you forgotten that before the battle with Darkshine, God changed into his stronger form (He saw that he could not even scratch Shine in his base, but was sure that he would defeat him in the next form).
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Yes because it is the most representative case of an outlier of opm
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Garou being harmed and struggling against the Death Gatling's group is outlier or PIS, you can pick one. Even Garou himself implied that he would've speedblitzed and one-shot the hell out of them instantly like he did against Tanktop Master Army if it weren't for his fever, wounds, in his weakened state. Therefore, scaling them to him doesn't make sense.
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Not only that, but this very same form could fight against G4 Genos, who is on par with Tank Top Master, and he could survive an entire beatdown from bang and bomb. Yea, the low tiers fighting him is one big PIS.
I also doubt Garou became hundreds of times weaker just by being sick
I also doubt Garou became hundreds of times weaker just by being sick
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There is a theory that Garou's body has a weakness for sharp attacks. His body is dense enough on the inside for the sword to go a couple of centimeters into it (as is the case with arrows or the sword of the Royal Ripper), but not dense enough on the outside, so even A-class heroes can make holes in it.
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