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STRONGEST One-Punch Man Discussion Thread!
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.If we consider that Saitama doubles his strength every second as a minimum value, and we also consider it as the 4-A value of the serious punch, Saitama would reach universal in just over 1m (I didn't do the calculations but it must be around that, I saw another calculation considering planetary level and it was 2m45). What would be another argument, in addition to the proportion of sneezes, proves that it would be universal.
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Growth should never be taken in absolute time, but in relative time
I'm pretty sure that him reaching the level he reached in the alternative future took less than a milisecond
I'm pretty sure that him reaching the level he reached in the alternative future took less than a milisecond
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I think so too, but it's just a low estimate, since we don't know the exact values.
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the one in the future has been holding back, he passively was growing do to the emotions
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I'm guessing there will be some uniqueness between God avatars, like copying/life destruction fist for Garou, Better Dimensional Travel/stealth/spatial attacks for Void as opposed to just making it a power system where any character who's > the last inherits every trait and ability
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compare his casual self to his future casual self. or his fart. or his sneeze. the difference is like million million trillion times
lets say casual saitama is planetary(earth). future casual is multi solar.
the difference in joules: 7.5670264x10^61 (blast's durability, since garou destroyed his spatial manipulation and got 4-A scale) / 2.487x10^32 = 304263225x10^29
if you put serious punch^2(multi solar version). its 2.26755127x10^31
his sneeze. lets say its wall lvl. or large building(%100 lower than this but should give lower for his growth. so better? d
.difference : 3.11x10^42 / 8.368x10^9 = 3.7165392x10^32
his fart. normal to mftl lvl speed? sadly its energy is not scaled. or i couldnt find it. can someone do it :d
but what we get. 59x. makes it sad
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BS only has "Unknown" durability
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Yeah but not unknown enough to say he can be defeated by a single puppy in his normal cell count
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Yeah x59 just seems flat out wrong like it was stated he reached such a level Garou couldn’t even comprehend his new found strength yet apparently garou can’t comprehend x59
which makes absolutely no sense especially when he’s grown and adapted far higher then something as little as 59x times saitama growth is also stated to be exponential when you start applying exponents it’s far higher then just a flat x59 boost if you calc saitama really should be close to base line universal in a matter of seconds
which makes absolutely no sense especially when he’s grown and adapted far higher then something as little as 59x times saitama growth is also stated to be exponential when you start applying exponents it’s far higher then just a flat x59 boost if you calc saitama really should be close to base line universal in a matter of seconds
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Shouldn't "Varies from 10-C to High 7-A" be better than simply leaving his durability at Unknown? His stronger clones can endure the force of punching Atomic Samurai without breaking themselves (then again AS having High 7-A durability is kind of suspicious...)
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Its not wrong, its just the highest multiplier we can get from the graph. Considering he still powers up there's more to it, but there's no way to really get a number from it that's not guess work.
Whenever you see the following justification
Shenanigans are afoot.
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It is wrong because we know he grew more then x59 by the fact Garou couldn’t even comprehend meaning using common sense garou can understand something that’s as little as x59 of where he started
Saitama grows exponentially by virtue of it being exponential in mere seconds he’s many many many many many many many many times beyond how ever y’all got x59
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Its not wrong, its just not what he maxed out at. He gets stronger but we don't know by how much. We're not allowed to just give him a random number.
A x59 difference allows Saitama to one shot him with a laughably small amount of effort.
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It is wrong because he grew more than x59 what’s so hard to understand? You just give him no number at all saitama grows exponential so if you can’t calc it more then x59 then it shouldn’t even be on his profile as it’s not even a lowball it’s just flat out wrong because we know he’s above it
yeah and so does being far beyond x59 this is irrelevant
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like you realize how op exponential growth is but muh x59
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You not understanding what the multiplier means doesn't mean its wrong. He's at least 59x his strength at the start of the fight by that graph, he does grow stronger but we don't know by how much so we made him a minimum of 59x stronger. Its not a hard cap and his removed limiter has the following justification
We already accept on the profile that Saitama can become 3-A.
You not getting it doesn't make it irrelevant.
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The graph confirms that at some point of the fight Saitama was indeed x59 stronger than at the start of the fight, him becoming stronger is already covered by "likely higher".
Also, I would prefer having that multiplier over not using it and having nothing, downgrading Saitama as a result.
Also, I would prefer having that multiplier over not using it and having nothing, downgrading Saitama as a result.
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it means it’s wrong if you say saitama grew x59 but he grew far far far beyond it means it’s wrong?
Yeah but with how slow y’all put it that would never be achievable in any fight since an entire fight with garou only supposedly got him x59
It is irrelevant because it’s not x59 it’s far far far far far higher
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We're in replies 90k opm
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Its not wrong, its just not where he maxed out as. The profile lists it as his base strength and he grows from there. Since the profile requires a number or a statement for a Tier we have to use what the graph gave us.
Saitama only grew when Garou endless copied him, which resulted in his growth in power. So he only grew at the end portion of the fight.
As before, you not getting it doesn't make it irrelevant, it just means you don't get why we do things.
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And? He still grew far more then x59 which is literally stated at the end of the fight and considering how many blows happened during their fight that tier is still not possible with how slow this site has his growth as
as before it is irrelevant both get the same results of him casually one shotting garou
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We need the number so he can have an AP rating. But he's not limited to it. The 59x is just a minimum.
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why not consider the proportion of sneezes? This could even make it universal. Considering that at minimum values his strength doubles every second, with a little more than 1m he would be able to reach the universal level, which makes it plausible.
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The gap between the sneeze and the serious punch clash is 180.75 Quintillion. The gap between a human's rest energy and going all out is a fraction of a fraction of that strength difference.
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God Speed:
Ignore energy? The dimension where God exists ignores energy. Since God is in that dimension, we can determine a speed for God through it. How? First, we need to understand the relationship between Energy and Time. Energy and Time are like the two sides of a coin.
Fourier conjugates are pairs of variables that are mathematically defined in such a way that they become Fourier transform duals. This means they are related through a mathematical concept known as Pontryagin duality. In the context of Fourier analysis, the term "conjugate" is used to describe a pair of functions that are related to each other through the Fourier transform.In physics, particularly in quantum mechanics, Fourier conjugates play a crucial role. The Energy-Time relationship is one such example of Fourier conjugates. This relationship is a consequence of the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle, which states that the more precisely one of the conjugate variables (like energy) is known, the less precisely the other (like time) can be known.The Energy-Time relationship is widely used to relate quantum state lifetime to measured energy widths. However, its formal derivation is fraught with confusing issues about the nature of time. The basic principle has been extended in numerous directions and must be considered in many kinds of fundamental physical measurements.The uncertainty relation between position and momentum arises because the expressions of the wavefunction in the two corresponding orthonormal bases in Hilbert space are Fourier transforms of one another (i.e., position and momentum are conjugate variables). A similar tradeoff between the variances of Fourier conjugates arises in all systems underlain by the energy–time uncertainty relation.It's important to note that these are complex concepts that require a deep understanding of mathematics and physics. The actual interpretation and application of Fourier conjugates can vary depending on the specific context. The Energy-Time relationship and its connection to Fourier conjugates is a fundamental concept in quantum mechanics and is supported by a large body of empirical evidence
To put it simply: If there is no energy, then there is no time. Past and future lose their meaning, and there is only an eternal now. In other words, Time does not exist.
In this scenario, God is independent of linear time flow.
For these reasons, God must achieve immeasurable speed for me. It's complex, but please do not hesitate to point out my mistakes.
Ignore energy? The dimension where God exists ignores energy. Since God is in that dimension, we can determine a speed for God through it. How? First, we need to understand the relationship between Energy and Time. Energy and Time are like the two sides of a coin.
Fourier conjugates are pairs of variables that are mathematically defined in such a way that they become Fourier transform duals. This means they are related through a mathematical concept known as Pontryagin duality. In the context of Fourier analysis, the term "conjugate" is used to describe a pair of functions that are related to each other through the Fourier transform.In physics, particularly in quantum mechanics, Fourier conjugates play a crucial role. The Energy-Time relationship is one such example of Fourier conjugates. This relationship is a consequence of the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle, which states that the more precisely one of the conjugate variables (like energy) is known, the less precisely the other (like time) can be known.The Energy-Time relationship is widely used to relate quantum state lifetime to measured energy widths. However, its formal derivation is fraught with confusing issues about the nature of time. The basic principle has been extended in numerous directions and must be considered in many kinds of fundamental physical measurements.The uncertainty relation between position and momentum arises because the expressions of the wavefunction in the two corresponding orthonormal bases in Hilbert space are Fourier transforms of one another (i.e., position and momentum are conjugate variables). A similar tradeoff between the variances of Fourier conjugates arises in all systems underlain by the energy–time uncertainty relation.It's important to note that these are complex concepts that require a deep understanding of mathematics and physics. The actual interpretation and application of Fourier conjugates can vary depending on the specific context. The Energy-Time relationship and its connection to Fourier conjugates is a fundamental concept in quantum mechanics and is supported by a large body of empirical evidence
To put it simply: If there is no energy, then there is no time. Past and future lose their meaning, and there is only an eternal now. In other words, Time does not exist.
In this scenario, God is independent of linear time flow.
For these reasons, God must achieve immeasurable speed for me. It's complex, but please do not hesitate to point out my mistakes.
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Not really don't work immeasurable, said attack speed infinite.
Toska
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I didn't fully understand what you said due to my poor English. Are you trying to say that instead of giving an immeasurable speed, giving an infinity attack speed?
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You have to demonstrate immeasurable speed. You (usually) cannot get it through interpretations.
Toska
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Doesn't it already exhibit immeasurable speed due to its positioning in that dimension? There's no energy in the dimension, hence no time. Doesn't this mean it moves independent of time flow? I didn't quite understand how its positioning in that dimension doesn't grant it immeasurable speed. Could you please elaborate?
