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STRONGEST One-Punch Man Discussion Thread!

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RanHover60 said:
Just a random question but I was looking through Garou’s profile and why is his GRB only relativistic in his cosmic fear key? Surely that would just render it completely useless if he fights at mftl speeds.
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Since we accept it as a real GRB it must therefore be a real GRB. Meaning it must adhere to its IRL characteristics like having sub-light speed.
 
RanHover60 said:
Just a random question but I was looking through Garou’s profile and why is his GRB only relativistic in his cosmic fear key? Surely that would just render it completely useless if he fights at mftl speeds.
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Think on the bright side, vs Thread with equalized speed Garou will have a huge speed advantage with GRB in some cases. Like if he faces someone MHS and the fight is equalized, the garou's speed will be at that speed but he will still have the greater speed of the GRB.

And 90% of vs thread equalize speed.
 
Phsccarvalho said:
Think on the positive side, vs Thread with equalized speed Garou will have a huge speed advantage with GRB.

And 90% of vs thread equalize speed.
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Only if the equalised speed match is slower than relatavistic.

Which isn't uncommon at tier 4, but not exactly the majority.
 
Qawsedf234 said:
Since we accept it as a real GRB it must therefore be a real GRB. Meaning it must adhere to its IRL characteristics like having sub-light speed.
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Makes absolutely 0 sense 1 garou entire thing is copying and making things better then the original and 2 why would he release attacks at below light speed against a guy he knows is ftl++++ to mftl etc he even told saitama himself he couldn’t dodge this one meaning it makes no sense it would be that slow
 
darkphantom9805 said:
Makes absolutely 0 sense 1 garou entire thing is copying and making things better then the original and 2 why would he release attacks at below light speed against a guy he knows is ftl++++ to mftl etc he even told saitama himself he couldn’t dodge this one meaning it makes no sense it would be that slow
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Because if the attack touched the Earth would destroy it. So Saitama was forced to jump and redirect the attack, its why Garou said "You can't dodge mid-air", meaning he expected him to avoid it before it went off.
 
Qawsedf234 said:
Because the attack if it touched the Earth would destroy it. So Saitama was forced to jump and take the attack.its why Garou said "You can't dodge mid-air", meaning he expected him to avoid it beforehand.https://scans-hot.leanbox.us/manga/Onepunch-Man/Mag-Official/0163-025.png
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He states you can’t dodge this by jumping which he could even in mid air especially if the attack was thousands and thousands of times slower then him

Garou also specifically states that one of the things he needed to beat saitama was speed he’s not going to gain all this speed and power and be like nah I’m a use an attack slower then PS or flashy flash lol so using common sense the attack is not below light speed
 
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darkphantom9805 said:
He literally states you can’t dodge this by jumping which he could even in mid air especially if the attack was thousands and thousands of times slower
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He said "Fool! You can't dodge mid-air". Saitama only jumped so the attack wouldn't hit the Earth, since he believed it would destroy the planet on contact.
darkphantom9805 said:
Garou also specifically states that one of the things he needed to beat saitama was speed he’s not going to gain all this speed and power and be like nah I’m a use an attack slower then PS or flashy flash lol so using common sense the attack is not below light speed
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The attack is 99% lightspeed and has a range of multiple light-years. PS and Flashy Flash aren't surviving or reliably dodging this attack.

In addition the only reason its accepted as Tier 4 is that we agreed that he replicated a GRB, meaning that he's also limited to a IRL GRB.
 
Qawsedf234 said:
He said "Fool! You can't dodge mid-air". Saitama only jumped so the attack wouldn't hit the Earth, since he believed it would destroy the planet on contact.

The attack is 99% lightspeed and has a range of multiple light-years. PS and Flashy Flash aren't surviving or reliably dodging this attack.

In addition the only reason its accepted as Tier 4 is that we agreed that he replicated a GRB, meaning that he's also limited to a IRL GRB.
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it’s not 99% it’s ftl++ or wherever cosmic garou speed tier is at that point garou is not stupid he wouldn’t resort to attacks that are 99.99% slower then him or his opponents when he specifically stated the things he needed to beat saitama were speed

no he’s not limited garou literally says the things he copies can surpass the original you assuming that it’s limited to that speed throws all common sense out the window that he’d be stupid enough to start throwing attacks at below light speed against an opponent he specifically stated he needed speed to beat
 
Phsccarvalho said:
Think on the bright side, vs Thread with equalized speed Garou will have a huge speed advantage with GRB in some cases. Like if he faces someone MHS and the fight is equalized, the garou's speed will be at that speed but he will still have the greater speed of the GRB.

And 90% of vs thread equalize speed.
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MFTL combat speed with Rel+ attack speed with GRB would mean the speed of GRB would be reduced by a lot tho.
The combat speed of that faster character is assumed to be equalized to the combat speed of the slower character. Every other speed the faster character has is reduced by the same multiplier. This includes the speed of any attacks, projectiles, reactions, perception, flight etc.
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Let's say Garou is fighting against a character who has combat speed at SoL. Speed equalization would reduce Garou's combat speed by ~617x along with the speed of GRB by the same multiplier to around mach 1415.
 
MeidoIzayoi said:
MFTL combat speed with Rel+ attack speed with GRB would mean the speed of GRB would be reduced by a lot tho.

Let's say Garou is fighting against a character who has combat speed at SoL. Speed equalization would reduce Garou's combat speed by ~617x along with the speed of GRB by the same multiplier to around mach 1415.
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The whole point Qaws was making is that speed equalization does not apply to fixed speed attacks like Garou's GRB.

If Garou's speed is scaled down to SOL? GRB is relativistic+. Ig Garou's speed is scaled down to Mach 15 (because he's fighting some stupidly slow tier 4 character)? GRB is relativistic. MFTL combat speed? relativistic+. Etc
 
darkphantom9805 said:
it’s not 99% it’s ftl++ or wherever cosmic garou speed tier is at that point garou is not stupid he wouldn’t resort to attacks that are 99.99% slower then him or his opponents when he specifically stated the things he needed to beat saitama were speed
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The only reason the GRB is assumed to be Tier 4 is because it was treated as a realistic one. Meaning it has to adhere to realistic standards. You can't have it both be the strongest GRB ever while also having physics breaking speed.
darkphantom9805 said:
the things he copies can surpass the original
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He can copy natural phenomenon but what he improves is abilities and techniques. So there's no in-text indication that his GRB is any faster than a normal GRB.
 
Qawsedf234 said:
He can copy natural phenomenon but what he improves is abilities and techniques
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I may be misremembering, but isn't the Nuclear Fission Fist explosion still considered faster then a real nuclear explosion cause of his fight with Saitama? I remember people created a thread to change this and it was denied because it wouldn't make sense for it to be slow or something like that.
 
Psykos stated that her nuclear fission are "Divine energy", similar to HE energy orbs, so there's that to prove that they definitely are not only natural phenomena and nothing else
 
Qawsedf234 said:
He can copy natural phenomenon but what he improves is abilities and techniques. So there's no in-text indication that his GRB is any faster than a normal GRB.
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Yeah and guess what the GRB is an ability/ technique

Qawsedf234 said:
The only reason the GRB is assumed to be Tier 4 is because it was treated as a realistic one. Meaning it has to adhere to realistic standards. You can't have it both be the strongest GRB ever while also having physics breaking speed.
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You can tho because the technique was done by garou and not a natural one it’s as strong if not stronger then a real one with garou speed added to it
 
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