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Third part, sequel to this thread.
This is about finishing some stats revisions and other minor stuff.
Speed of the Low/Mid-Tiers
Currently, some characters are supersonic+ from a statement about Guile which doesn't exist anymore, we don't even know the source.
The characters affected by this are: Base Ryu, Base Ken, Chun-Li, Guile, Dhalsim (due to his pseudo upgrade in the previous thread), E. Honda, Blanka, Zangief, Cammy, Fei Long, Balrog, Vega, Sagat, Base Bison, Charlie (due to his downgrade in the previous thread), Guy, Cody, Sakura, Rolento, Mika, Karin, Dudley, Ibuki, Makoto, C. Viper, Juri, Poison, Rashid, Laura, Fang and Base Necalli.
Their new tier would be Supersonic, from Base Juri being able to casually kick a rocket at close distance, and after that the scaling chain does its work, and depending on that some characters upscale (Ryu, Sagat...) and others either scale or downscale (just a bit, though).
I'm also leaving here some other feats that works as support material, though none of them reach supersonic, but all of these are casual.
Some other characters will also go down due to the previous revision and some misconception.
The hypersonic feat is performed by Bison in Alpha 3, while he is powered up by the Psycho Drive and superior to his base form. Then, those who scale from Base Bison (directly or not) and will go to Supersonic are: Rose (she battled him in Alpha 2, when he wasn't powered up), Gill and then Urien.
Lifting Strength of the Low-Tiers
Simple, they all currently scale to Zangief, who's class 5 because he can easily lift and throw bears (he also states of being able to throw a bull, in his quote against Balrog in SFV).
The problem is that Zangief is always regarded and portrayed as exceptionally strong (in terms of lifting strength) when compared to other characters, and assuming they can all perform the same feat is wrong. And remember that LS desn't necessarily scale to AP.
They should go down to Class 1, due to a much more reasonable scaling chain to Mika, who could briefly wrestle with a brown bear (which has that LS). This is also an evidence that they aren't all strong as Zangief.
The characters affected by this are: Chun-Li, Guile, Blanka, Cammy, Fei Long, Balrog, Vega, Guy, Cody, Sakura, Rolento, Mika, Karin, Dudley, Ibuki, Makoto, C. Viper, Base Juri, Poison, Rashid, Laura, Fang and Base Necalli.
E. Honda is often portrayed as Zangief's rival and fellow grappler, so he keeps Class 5.
Deleting Q
It was questioned in the past and even in the previous thread, almost nothing is known about Q and there's no reliable scalingor comparison for it, and so it doesn't have many reasons to stay.
Edit: Q can stay and the proposal for its tier is "At least 9-B (can go through bonus stages, which require demolishing a car and shatter wooden barrels), likely 9-A (It is said to wander the world to fight with the strongest fighters, and so it could be comparable to characters such as X, Y and Z [taken from SF3, in which Q appears]).
Votes
Remove Q:
Keep Q: Oleggator, Armorchompy, MaidRips, BlackDarkness679
Neutral: SamanPatou
Assorted Stuff
C.Viper has a statement about her name being confirmed by Street Fighter: The Legend of Chun-Li, which isn't canon and should be axed. She still keeps it, as she uses it as a code name in The Ties That Bind.
Dan has some stuff derived from the comics, which should be axed. Specifically, the statements about getting beated by Ryu and Ken, him smashing a sandbag with a punch, some references to his hospitalization and him having his head smashed onto concrete. He still keeps his tier because he, like everyone in the cast, can destroy wooden barrels in one hit and smash a car with multiple hits.
Elena has references to the manga in her ap section, they should be axed (her fighting with Geki and teaching Ryu a teachnique, which isn't even an ap feat)-
Fang has a 6-C key with preparation, which is wrong because not even Bison harness the power of the Black Moons themselves (as I explained in the previous thread), and even by using them as weapons, because 6-C is the total amount of energy the Moons release as EMP waves, but Fang can't stack that power into a single blast, and I'm not sure if the overall power of the waves emitted by a single Moon is totally translated in what looks like a laser beam.
Ryu, Evil Ryu, Akuma, Oni, Gill and Oro have tens of kilometers range with projectiles for no reason, they should go to tens of meters like the other characters.
Edit: Akuma keeps it in some way, since he split the Ayers Rock and destroyed the Gotentou Island with his punches.
Seth has a note about "The Ties that Bind" not being canon, which is wrong (see the first revision thread) and should be removed.
Chun-Li has links to some respect thread which include stuff from the comics and the mangas, and they should be removed. The same is for the martial arts styles referenced in her intelligence section, they come from one of those respect thread and are also unsourced. Chun-Li's style has always been referenced as Kung-Fu and other unnamed chinese martial arts.
Gill is stated, in his AP section, to be comparable to Akuma and it should be removed. This comes from the comics, and the only instance in which they meet in the games is non-canon and is about Akuma one-shotting Gill with a Raging Demon.
Fei-Long has this statement in his speed section "His attacks catch fire", that's ki/fire powers, not a result of actual speed, and it should be removed.
Sakura has references to her fighting against Zangief, which comes from the non-canon Aftermath trailer (see the first CRT)
Some characters (such as Ryu) have a precise age, coming from old guides and the likes, which gave dates adapted to their name, but because Capcom needs to adjust their characters to modern times, these days their age and birth date is always left unclear and so it should be on profiles. For example, instead of 34 for Ryu, it should be "In his 30's".
Evil Ryu and Kage should be split in different profiles, as the former is non-canon, while the latter is, as he is part of canon Ryu.
Kage should either get a profile of his own or be integrated in normal Ryu's profile, just like he currently is in Evil Ryu's.
And this is all for now, after this thread I'm going to apply the results of this and the previous 2 CRTs, and then I'll make the fourth and last part, which is about powers&abilities.
This is about finishing some stats revisions and other minor stuff.
Speed of the Low/Mid-Tiers
Currently, some characters are supersonic+ from a statement about Guile which doesn't exist anymore, we don't even know the source.
The characters affected by this are: Base Ryu, Base Ken, Chun-Li, Guile, Dhalsim (due to his pseudo upgrade in the previous thread), E. Honda, Blanka, Zangief, Cammy, Fei Long, Balrog, Vega, Sagat, Base Bison, Charlie (due to his downgrade in the previous thread), Guy, Cody, Sakura, Rolento, Mika, Karin, Dudley, Ibuki, Makoto, C. Viper, Juri, Poison, Rashid, Laura, Fang and Base Necalli.
Their new tier would be Supersonic, from Base Juri being able to casually kick a rocket at close distance, and after that the scaling chain does its work, and depending on that some characters upscale (Ryu, Sagat...) and others either scale or downscale (just a bit, though).
I'm also leaving here some other feats that works as support material, though none of them reach supersonic, but all of these are casual.
Some other characters will also go down due to the previous revision and some misconception.
The hypersonic feat is performed by Bison in Alpha 3, while he is powered up by the Psycho Drive and superior to his base form. Then, those who scale from Base Bison (directly or not) and will go to Supersonic are: Rose (she battled him in Alpha 2, when he wasn't powered up), Gill and then Urien.
Lifting Strength of the Low-Tiers
Simple, they all currently scale to Zangief, who's class 5 because he can easily lift and throw bears (he also states of being able to throw a bull, in his quote against Balrog in SFV).
The problem is that Zangief is always regarded and portrayed as exceptionally strong (in terms of lifting strength) when compared to other characters, and assuming they can all perform the same feat is wrong. And remember that LS desn't necessarily scale to AP.
They should go down to Class 1, due to a much more reasonable scaling chain to Mika, who could briefly wrestle with a brown bear (which has that LS). This is also an evidence that they aren't all strong as Zangief.
The characters affected by this are: Chun-Li, Guile, Blanka, Cammy, Fei Long, Balrog, Vega, Guy, Cody, Sakura, Rolento, Mika, Karin, Dudley, Ibuki, Makoto, C. Viper, Base Juri, Poison, Rashid, Laura, Fang and Base Necalli.
E. Honda is often portrayed as Zangief's rival and fellow grappler, so he keeps Class 5.
Deleting Q
It was questioned in the past and even in the previous thread, almost nothing is known about Q and there's no reliable scalingor comparison for it, and so it doesn't have many reasons to stay.
Edit: Q can stay and the proposal for its tier is "At least 9-B (can go through bonus stages, which require demolishing a car and shatter wooden barrels), likely 9-A (It is said to wander the world to fight with the strongest fighters, and so it could be comparable to characters such as X, Y and Z [taken from SF3, in which Q appears]).
Votes
Remove Q:
Keep Q: Oleggator, Armorchompy, MaidRips, BlackDarkness679
Neutral: SamanPatou
Assorted Stuff
C.Viper has a statement about her name being confirmed by Street Fighter: The Legend of Chun-Li, which isn't canon and should be axed. She still keeps it, as she uses it as a code name in The Ties That Bind.
Dan has some stuff derived from the comics, which should be axed. Specifically, the statements about getting beated by Ryu and Ken, him smashing a sandbag with a punch, some references to his hospitalization and him having his head smashed onto concrete. He still keeps his tier because he, like everyone in the cast, can destroy wooden barrels in one hit and smash a car with multiple hits.
Elena has references to the manga in her ap section, they should be axed (her fighting with Geki and teaching Ryu a teachnique, which isn't even an ap feat)-
Fang has a 6-C key with preparation, which is wrong because not even Bison harness the power of the Black Moons themselves (as I explained in the previous thread), and even by using them as weapons, because 6-C is the total amount of energy the Moons release as EMP waves, but Fang can't stack that power into a single blast, and I'm not sure if the overall power of the waves emitted by a single Moon is totally translated in what looks like a laser beam.
Ryu, Evil Ryu, Akuma, Oni, Gill and Oro have tens of kilometers range with projectiles for no reason, they should go to tens of meters like the other characters.
Edit: Akuma keeps it in some way, since he split the Ayers Rock and destroyed the Gotentou Island with his punches.
Seth has a note about "The Ties that Bind" not being canon, which is wrong (see the first revision thread) and should be removed.
Chun-Li has links to some respect thread which include stuff from the comics and the mangas, and they should be removed. The same is for the martial arts styles referenced in her intelligence section, they come from one of those respect thread and are also unsourced. Chun-Li's style has always been referenced as Kung-Fu and other unnamed chinese martial arts.
Gill is stated, in his AP section, to be comparable to Akuma and it should be removed. This comes from the comics, and the only instance in which they meet in the games is non-canon and is about Akuma one-shotting Gill with a Raging Demon.
Fei-Long has this statement in his speed section "His attacks catch fire", that's ki/fire powers, not a result of actual speed, and it should be removed.
Sakura has references to her fighting against Zangief, which comes from the non-canon Aftermath trailer (see the first CRT)
Some characters (such as Ryu) have a precise age, coming from old guides and the likes, which gave dates adapted to their name, but because Capcom needs to adjust their characters to modern times, these days their age and birth date is always left unclear and so it should be on profiles. For example, instead of 34 for Ryu, it should be "In his 30's".
Evil Ryu and Kage should be split in different profiles, as the former is non-canon, while the latter is, as he is part of canon Ryu.
Kage should either get a profile of his own or be integrated in normal Ryu's profile, just like he currently is in Evil Ryu's.
And this is all for now, after this thread I'm going to apply the results of this and the previous 2 CRTs, and then I'll make the fourth and last part, which is about powers&abilities.
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