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I will be as blunt and clear as I possibly can. Our SU pages are a joke.
Diamonds AP and Speed
On this thread, I said the calc can be used for speed and only speed. More than that, I said it would only scale to speed as a separate special attack. So can someone explain to me why Diamonds are currently Low 5-B?
In case I wasn't made clear in the previous thread, the corruption wave was a combined attack by three Diamonds that was supposed to destroy every Gem on Earth. It is very clearly a special attack and is shown to require all three Diamonds. The proof is in the fact that no one Diamond can undo the corruption that was caused by them. Furthermore, the Diamonds were very surprised that any Gem survived the blast, proving that it was something treated with importance, and had an air of finality.
Regardless, even if Low 5-B is legit, it is massive outlier for the reasons below.
Lapis' AP (And by extension, everyone else's)
Why on god's green earth does everyone scale to Lapis' High 6-A feat. In itself, the feat already has issues in that it was basically rejected. But even if it were accepted, it was a feat performed in an unspecified amount of time under 12 hours. More than that, it was a feat performed to create a tower, not damage anyone. Do you catch my drift? It's Environmental Destruction.
"But Ovens, Lapis' whole schtick is using water to attack people!" Yeah, and the BFG's whole schtick is that it kills things. That doesn't mean that we can scale a clearly special feat (Lapis' tower feat, BFG 10,000 feat) to regular showings (Lapis literally any other time in the show, BFG 9000 normally). At the very best, we can assume that Lapis is High 6-A at her absolute strongest showing, but even then it would scale to absolutely no one - not even the Diamonds.
Remember, Lapis holding down Malachite is an LS feat, which by proxy would downgrade every Fusion that scales. And through that, every Diamond would be downgraded as well. "But Ovens, Diamonds can scale to Lapis' full potential!" Not really. Lapises are tasked with terraforming planets through water manipulation. What does Homeworld not have and isn't a requirement for Gem sustenance? Water. Diamonds have absolutely no need to fear Lapises on Homeworld since the planet they live on lacks the very resource that would make them any sort of threat in the first place. And you'd have to be smoking some dank kush if you tell me that a Lapis could carry an ocean's worth of water from another planet to smack the Diamonds with because that's a massive assumption and has never canonically happened.
Why Diamonds don't scale to the Cluster
Because it's dumb.
Why do the Diamonds need spaceship mechs (other than travel) if they already have the AP to tussle with the Cluster? Also "breaking the hull of their ship" wouldn't make them scale anyway, since that's the same logic as making me 8-C for busting a hole through the side of a tank. That's only a 9-B feat. They would only scale to their ships if they destroyed the whole ship.
Also if they had the power to destroy a small planet casually, why didn't they just do so when they performed the very feat they got that AP from?
As I said, it's dumb.
Summary
And what have we learned today, kids? Lapis should get a Varies for AP and LS normally since her attack output relies heavily on her water supply at hand. Her water summons can fight on par with the Crystal Gems so that should be the baseline. Her Dura should scale to any mid-tier Gem like Pearl or Amethyst. Her AP with an ocean's worth of water would be High 6-A but only in Environmental Destruction.
As such, all Fusions will be downgraded and upscale from whatever the next highest feat is. Diamonds will also be downgraded to <insert highest tier here>, likely far higher.
Diamonds AP and Speed
On this thread, I said the calc can be used for speed and only speed. More than that, I said it would only scale to speed as a separate special attack. So can someone explain to me why Diamonds are currently Low 5-B?
In case I wasn't made clear in the previous thread, the corruption wave was a combined attack by three Diamonds that was supposed to destroy every Gem on Earth. It is very clearly a special attack and is shown to require all three Diamonds. The proof is in the fact that no one Diamond can undo the corruption that was caused by them. Furthermore, the Diamonds were very surprised that any Gem survived the blast, proving that it was something treated with importance, and had an air of finality.
Regardless, even if Low 5-B is legit, it is massive outlier for the reasons below.
Lapis' AP (And by extension, everyone else's)
Why on god's green earth does everyone scale to Lapis' High 6-A feat. In itself, the feat already has issues in that it was basically rejected. But even if it were accepted, it was a feat performed in an unspecified amount of time under 12 hours. More than that, it was a feat performed to create a tower, not damage anyone. Do you catch my drift? It's Environmental Destruction.
"But Ovens, Lapis' whole schtick is using water to attack people!" Yeah, and the BFG's whole schtick is that it kills things. That doesn't mean that we can scale a clearly special feat (Lapis' tower feat, BFG 10,000 feat) to regular showings (Lapis literally any other time in the show, BFG 9000 normally). At the very best, we can assume that Lapis is High 6-A at her absolute strongest showing, but even then it would scale to absolutely no one - not even the Diamonds.
Remember, Lapis holding down Malachite is an LS feat, which by proxy would downgrade every Fusion that scales. And through that, every Diamond would be downgraded as well. "But Ovens, Diamonds can scale to Lapis' full potential!" Not really. Lapises are tasked with terraforming planets through water manipulation. What does Homeworld not have and isn't a requirement for Gem sustenance? Water. Diamonds have absolutely no need to fear Lapises on Homeworld since the planet they live on lacks the very resource that would make them any sort of threat in the first place. And you'd have to be smoking some dank kush if you tell me that a Lapis could carry an ocean's worth of water from another planet to smack the Diamonds with because that's a massive assumption and has never canonically happened.
Why Diamonds don't scale to the Cluster
Because it's dumb.
Why do the Diamonds need spaceship mechs (other than travel) if they already have the AP to tussle with the Cluster? Also "breaking the hull of their ship" wouldn't make them scale anyway, since that's the same logic as making me 8-C for busting a hole through the side of a tank. That's only a 9-B feat. They would only scale to their ships if they destroyed the whole ship.
Also if they had the power to destroy a small planet casually, why didn't they just do so when they performed the very feat they got that AP from?
As I said, it's dumb.
Summary
And what have we learned today, kids? Lapis should get a Varies for AP and LS normally since her attack output relies heavily on her water supply at hand. Her water summons can fight on par with the Crystal Gems so that should be the baseline. Her Dura should scale to any mid-tier Gem like Pearl or Amethyst. Her AP with an ocean's worth of water would be High 6-A but only in Environmental Destruction.
As such, all Fusions will be downgraded and upscale from whatever the next highest feat is. Diamonds will also be downgraded to <insert highest tier here>, likely far higher.
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