Stellaron Hunter vs Rabbit Goddess (7-1-0) GRACE

[Enryu_The_Red_Tower]

Kafka vs Kaguya Ōtsutsuki

Speed Equalized
Both start 20 meters apart
Location: Dressrosa
Both have full knowledge of each other's abilities

Mommy, please step on me: 7 (GarrixianXD, AlphaOmegaV1, Jackpact, Jackof_noTrades068, Fallen_Angelicx, Mariogoods, Woomica)

Mom, please don't kill me: 1 (PmuShowDown)

Inconclusive:

 

[GarrixianXD]

Pretty sure Kafka yeets with AP considering Kaguya is only Star level with one technique.

 

[Woomica]

Either kaguya outhaxes severely or kafka straight up one shots bcs kaguya durability is 5-C and not 4-C

 

[Gonzalo]

Kafka outhaxs gg

 

[Fallen_Angelicx]

So what's Kafka's answer to Ash Killing Bone AOE or simply teleporting towards to kafka and give her a pice of Class G LS (Not like she can sense her)/ or just regular Ash Bone. Kaguya should be able to deal kafka's physical attacks by freezing/restraining both of them in ice and kafka won't have the LS to get herself out.

 

[Jackof_noTrades068]

This match is either a stomp one way or the other

Kaguya has a couple forms of Dura neg, BFR and better LS

But if Kafka hits her once she’s paste

 

[Fallen_Angelicx]

But if Kafka hits her once she’s paste

Kaguya should be able to deal kafka's physical attacks by freezing/restraining both of them in ice and kafka won't have the LS to get herself out.

Surely this stops kaguya from getting stomped. It's in character for her to do if she's trying to avoid physical contact with an enemy and kafka won't be able to get out

 

[Enryu_The_Red_Tower]

So what's Kafka's answer to Ash Killing Bone AOE or simply teleporting towards to kafka and give her a pice of Class G LS (Not like she can sense her)/ or just regular Ash Bone. Kaguya should be able to deal kafka's physical attacks by freezing/restraining both of them in ice and kafka won't have the LS to get herself out.

So, here is a few things Kafka can do, she is able use her energy threads to control her body as a puppet, she need just to move her hands and/or fingers in order to do it, and she has Sprit Whisper, which she can uses to control the minds of her victims, affecting their souls along with their fundamental information, it can also be used to alter memories, weaken senses and put someone to sleep, she just needs to talk and her order be heard by Kaguya to it affect her

 

[AlphaOmegaV1]

Surely this stops kaguya from getting stomped. It's in character for her to do if she's trying to avoid physical contact with an enemy and kafka won't be able to get out

Kafka resists Ice Manipulation though

 

[Fallen_Angelicx]

she is able use her energy threads to control her body as a puppet, she need just to move her hands and/or fingers in order to do it,

Thats a heavy ah restriction to such a good ability. is she gonna be in one place while doing this or while moving? Also Kaguya could easily keep distance and/or teleport away from the threads AOE, especially with prior knowledge of this ability Kafka has it will keep Kaguya on guard.

Kafka resists Ice Manipulation though
I see

has Sprit Whisper, which she can uses to control the minds of her victims, affecting their souls along with their fundamental information, it can also be used to alter memories, weaken senses and put someone to sleep, she just needs to talk and her order be heard by Kaguya to it affect her

How is it activated? Is it from the same threads i presume?

 

[Enryu_The_Red_Tower]

How is it activated? Is it from the same threads i presume?

Kafka just needs to speak and be heard by her targets in order to the Spirit Whisper be activated, just it, this ability is not related with her energy threads

 

[GarrixianXD]

It can’t be a stomp if one of the parties have win-cons, which is the case here. What matters here is what Kaguya starts with, otherwise Kafka mops with no difficulty.

 

[Fallen_Angelicx]

Kafka just needs to speak and be heard by her targets in order to the Spirit Whisper be activated, just it, this ability is not related with her energy threads

Although kaguya has knowledge of this ability. Idk what she can do to counter so I'll wait for a argument to address this.

 

[AlphaOmegaV1]

If this isn't a stomp, voting Kafka via cutting a promo unless Kaguya has a move that can come out faster than someone just talking.

 

[Jackpact]

Kafka FRA.

 

[Jackof_noTrades068]

I’ll vote Kafka FRA

 

[Fallen_Angelicx]

Kafka FRA

 

[Jackpact]

Bump

 

[Mariogoods]

I vote to Honkai FRA.

 

[PmuShowdown]

Although kaguya has knowledge of this ability. Idk what she can do to counter so I'll wait for a argument to address this.

If both fighters have full knowledge of each others' abilities, Kaguya's first move would be to distance herself and use Amenominaka to throw her into Lava.

Kafka just needs to speak and be heard by her targets in order to the Spirit Whisper be activated, just it, this ability is not related with her energy threads

I'm pretty sure that Spirit Whisper is Mind Manipulation, which Kaguya resists. Besides, its range is quite limited.

Kafka resists Ice Manipulation though

In this situation, she's not using Energy to make Ice, but controling the natural/physical Ice of her dimension.

Kaguya has 3 wincons that I can see:

• Portal/Ash-Bone insta kill Kafka while constantly outranging her through flying.
• Using her LS advantage to restrain her either through her Ice's dimension or using her hair.
• BFR her with Yomotsu Hirasaka or AOE with Amenominaka to let her fall in Lava or Acid

At first, I thought that Existence Erasure through her ETSB (which should have TSB properties) would also be a wincon but It's better to not use it as a wincon because, even though she doesn't need to fully expand it, it's unknown if she can use this technique to create a "regular" TSB and not need IT energy.

Edit: forgot to say that I'm voting for Kaguya for now.

 

[Enryu_The_Red_Tower]

I'm pretty sure that Spirit Whisper is Mind Manipulation, which Kaguya resists. Besides, its range is quite limited.

Spirit Whisper is not just Mind Manipulation, it can affect and control the Mind, Soul and Fundamental Information of her target at the same time, it can also be used to weaken the senses, put someone to sleep and modify the memories

And I will count your vote

 

[Woomica]

Imma vote kafka FRA

 

[Enryu_The_Red_Tower]

Imma vote kafka

You need a valid reason to vote her instead of just saying that, or else I won't count your vote

 

[Woomica]

You need a valid reason to vote her instead of just saying that, or else I won't count your vote

oh i forgot the FRA thing sorry

 

[AlphaOmegaV1]

Welp grace officially starts now

 

[PmuShowdown]

Spirit Whisper is not just Mind Manipulation, it can affect and control the Mind, Soul and Fundamental Information of her target at the same time, it can also be used to weaken the senses, put someone to sleep and modify the memories

I wouldn't count on a 18-30m range to be a solid wincon when the opponent is aware of this ability. And I haven't seen anything that would imply it'd scale to her combat speed (meaning it'd be sound speed) Don't see what stops Kaguya from flying out of range first and never get close to her. Not to mention that Kaguya would have to listen to her voice and "decipher" (she'll just interpret it in her own language) it.

I just can't see Spirit Whisper as a viable wincon in a matchup against someone who can keep space between them and I don't see any other wincons besides AP.

 

[PmuShowdown]

7 hours left, I guess it's over since people were voting too fast to have actual debate over the wincons.