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Looking back at the Demonbane verse page, yeah, it needs to be updated following the information from Fanzin book.
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As interesting and amusing as them being merged sounds, it's probably best to keep them separate for now still. Maybe have it acknowledged that both series are connected or something, IDK.What would the merged page even be called?
Demobane or WAB?
Regardless, will probably be it's own page, while keeping the existing ones, or maybe both get merged?
Doesn't really matter to me, we do have individual pages for each series in steampunck anyway.
Just realized this, but doesn't this also mean Tesla's resistance to Cracking is also layered too?When i think of GK's power in a vs match up, it blows my mind.
Like you posted there, the Sekime work via cracking, the VN says as much, makes it pretty clear everything he is doing like tearing through reality, and destroying the metaphysical is cracking.
Then you consider what cracking is going to be: info manipulation type 2, concept manipulation type 2, physics manipulation, law manipulation, subjective reality, math manipulation etc.
It's mind blowing, all that stuff is passive, and layered, and gets even more broken in Ultharathotep, with planetary range, and even more layered, and instantaneous attack speed...
How do you beat this thing without smurf hax, and resistances?
A headcanon/theory but I think Tesla is an incarnation/alternate version/variant of Kurou (Protag MC of Demonbane). He'll achieve, Elder God status when fighting Edison.
previously on dragon ball Z. Tesla got decked
If Tesla even achieves anything like Elder God status and still gets decked by Edison, he will forever be a meme to Outer Gods lol.A headcanon/theory but I think Tesla is an incarnation/alternate version/variant of Kurou (Protag MC of Demonbane). He'll achieve, Elder God status when fighting Edison.
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The wiki does have some interesting things such as this:
《世界介入》……基底現実を書き換える能力。使用の際にはFエクスペリメンツというアイテムを使い、その度に電界の剣の本数が一定時間減る。
Seems Tesla's keys actually can interfere and rewrite if things go south but would lose the swords he has for a certain amount of time.
I did remember I was missing one when I did the game but that was ages ago. I have to be braindead for the games.Ah, this is his World Intervention thing.
So far to my knowledge, it's a plot tool for Gahkthun's minigame for you to use if you don't get the answers right but I heard it had its proper usage in Shining Night IIRC.
Though the swords disappearing thing for a while when used is actually referenced in one of Gahkthun's glossaries.
He's just a bird. What's he gonna do vs the crawling chaos lmfaoIf Tesla even achieves anything like Elder God status and still gets decked by Edison, he will forever be a meme to Outer Gods lol.
Yeah it is there in the mini-games so it's kinda odd that it actually has a function outside of it.I did remember I was missing one when I did the game but that was ages ago. I have to be braindead for the games.
He's just a bird. What's he gonna do vs the crawling chaos lmfao
Probably right, Base Tesla didn't seem to have any issues resisting Base GK's glare, while Ultrathotep he was losing thousands of barriers, but they regenerate quickly?Like it goes: Critters (resist Cracking) < GK's glare at base (overcome that) < Base Tesla (resist that) =< Knight of Thunder Tesla (probably more resistant but that's just mere guess. If not indicative, just the same) < Ultrathotep (Overcomes that)
Or is this a stretch?
He won't bc Elder Gods wtfstomps Outer Gods in Demonbane. Though, if he does get decked, then yeah he's a meme.If Tesla even achieves anything like Elder God status and still gets decked by Edison, he will forever be a meme to Outer Gods lol.
Power of Plot Armor condemns Edison to lose. Though, if he actually becomes Elder God, he should be comparable to the likes of Ultrathotep (DYN), EGD, Nodens, Odin, etc who all slaps even the strongest incarnations of Nyar.He's just a bird. What's he gonna do vs the crawling chaos lmfao
Hmm, so Base no issues, but KoT barriers were being screwed over by Ultrathotep but still regenerating.Probably right, Base Tesla didn't seem to have any issues resisting Base GK's glare, while Ultrathotep he was losing thousands of barriers, but they regenerate quickly?
So like 1 layer for Base GK, and maybe 2 for Ultrathotep.
Knowing the kind of plot armor Tesla pretty much gets that Sakurai puts him through, who knows?He won't bc Elder Gods wtfstomps Outer Gods in Demonbane. Though, if he does get decked, then yeah he's a meme.
Power of Plot Armor condemns Edison to lose. Though, if he actually becomes Elder God, he should be comparable to the likes of Ultrathotep (DYN), EGD, Nodens, Odin, etc who all slaps even the strongest incarnations of Nyar.
Somehow VBW didn't ping your reply.@Mugen_no_Setsuna Is there two DMB Fanzin books? Interesting. Wonder if there's more there that could explain how and Jin put Sakurai's series as a part of his.
And aye, I think everyone here does. I actually have the book itself and Jin not only took part but so did Sakurai and a few other writers. Sakurai's story that takes place last even references the other previous stories, and her's and Jin's more or less reference and take place during and after main Gahkthun VN so it's pretty clearly canon to the main series.
Copied from Zanma Taisen wiki made by my Japanese friend. The summoning chant of Demonbane Diabolos is, again, Steampunk-verse reference:〝私〟ではない私に思考を与える誰かが笑う。
彼女は《シックス・ストリング》と名乗った。
《シックス・ストリング》は続ける。
クロックに世界は救えない。
故に世界を滅ぼすと。
――さあ、ロックンロールだ!
「きひひひひひひ!」
神聖不可侵である『ダンジョン』の最奥に哄笑が響き渡る。
「喝采せよ! 喝采せよ!
フォックストロット、ジダンダ、ステップせよ!
オーイエー! 素晴らしきかな!
盲目の生贄は死せず、未だ玉座にある!」
「現在時刻を記録せよ(ここでちゃんとセーブしとけよ)
クロックワーク・ファントム!
聖地ンガ=クトゥンの果てに!
我が愛! 我が狂気のかたちあり!」
「さあ、ラ・ベート・デュ・アヴェロワーニュ!
あんたの敵はこのすばらしい新世界(ブレイブ・ニュー・ワールド)!
陵辱せよ!」
『ダンジョン』の最奥に亀裂、走って。
そして。そして。
光のない、この玉座に、
光差して――
Ah damn, that is very Steampunk Series like.Somehow VBW didn't ping your reply.
Yes, there are 2 fanzin books. The first one is the causal sequence, the 2nd one is the eve of deadend war.
About the Gahkthun, it is outright mentioned in one of DYN Memo, along with the Beast of Gevaudan aka Demonbane Diabolos in Zanma Taisen. Basically this is ∞-2 (which has been renamed into ∞ +1 in Fanzin vol.1), a universe where Azana Hatsumi - the substitute of Azathoth is imprisoned. For the records, Laughing Man was there too.
Copied from Zanma Taisen wiki made by my Japanese friend. The summoning chant of Demonbane Diabolos is, again, Steampunk-verse reference:
「呪われたる水銀の唾液――無慈悲たる刃金の乱杭歯――そして、飽食する鬼械の顎。渇き飢える終末の獣。アヴェロワーニュの獣"ラ・ベート・デュ・アヴェロワーニュ"!」
The wiki has shit tons of references explanation, feel free to check it out.
- 黄雷のガクトゥーンノベルアンソロジー What a shining leagueより
- <<笑う男>>「汚穢なる獣の唾液――残忍たる獣の乱杭歯――そして、飽食する悪魔の顎。我が声に応えて出でよ、我がかたち。渇き飢える終末の魔獣。クリッター・ラ・ベート・デュ・ジェヴォーダン!」
- DYN_memoより
- シックス・ストリング「さあ、ラ・ベート・デュ・アヴェロワーニュ! あんたの敵はこのすばらしい新世界(ブレイブ・ニュー・ワールド)!陵辱せよ!」
So her name IS Augustine Dupin? Dupin is one of the characters in Zanma Taisen, her name in Japanese is オーギュスト・デュパン三世. Basically Dupin is an old man who has transformed into a loli by a myserious elixir while chasing a criminal organization.Ah damn, that is very Steampunk Series like.
I remember looking at the DYN Memo that it also mentioned about a "thief Z" and "detective Dupin", which in Jin's WAB story of Shining League, there is said characters in the form of Douglas Fairbanks (Z) and a detective of sorts named Augustine Dupin.
Akushinkage is also involved too with WAB's Tesla and Douglas, and the Laughing Man (aka Joker) summoning Beast of Gevaudan as a Critter.
Hmm...maybe Sakurai and Jin already WERE collaborating of sorts even at the time of the novel anthology? That came out in like 2013 ish iirc, or 2014 even. Pretty while's away before Jin even had established WAB as part of his DMB multiverse.
The interesting fact is how WAB's own Azathoth is a girl or whatever according to some stories from Liarsoft's exclusive magazines detailed ish. And to think a sub for Azathoth is a girl also, wew~ ovo
オーギュスト・デュパン三世
「爺様の名にかけるつもりは毛頭ないが」
探偵(ディテクティブ)。好事家(ディレッタント)。真なる中立。運命の輪(正位置)
かつてモルグ街のウェンディゴを撃退したオーギュスト・デュパンの孫。祖父譲りの天才的頭脳を持つ。
見た目は愛くるしい少女だが、中身はひねくれた中年紳士。
とある犯罪組織を追っていた時に謎の薬を飲まされ、何故か少女の姿になった。
偏屈で物臭。自分以外の人間を莫迦と見下し憚らない。不謹慎にも事件を喜び、自らの頭脳を発揮できる状況を愉しむ。
しかし芯の部分では、弱者を餌食にする悪を許さない正義の人でもある。
本人にはその気がないのに、 攻略対象っぽいいろんなイケメンが寄ってくる。
「おもしれー女」
「僕は不快だ」
Yeah. Though afaik from WaSL, she's a girl who attends Marseille Academia (setting of WAB Gahkthun) named in JP as オーギュスティーヌ・デュパン. Not really an old man turned loli, though she was said to have fought alongside Tesla in the past despite being as old as the novel story's MC Douglas so maybe she's an older woman in the form of a young girl or just older than she looks?So her name IS Augustine Dupin? Dupin is one of the characters in Zanma Taisen, her name in Japanese is オーギュスト・デュパン三世. Basically Dupin is an old man who has transformed into a loli by a myserious elixir while chasing a criminal organization.
And, yeah, Jin-sensei and Sakurai-sensei has collaborated in the past. Heck, in the Fanzin book vol.1, the first page is commentary from various people, including the staffs of Nitroplus, the voice actors, artists, Sakurai and EVEN Nasu himself.
「んあー……よいしょっ……と。ようやく出られた。礼を言う。
そして──やっぱり、ここにいたな。うん、今夜はこの辺りだと思っていた。単純な推理だ。君の性格や癖、そしてここ数日の行動から帰納的(ア・ポステリオリ)に考えを進めただけのことだ。
では、ついて来い。あー、何を呆けている?言っている意味が理解らないのか?君はもしかして、フレだ。頭が弱いのか?
──君を徴兵すると言ったのだ、ダグラス・フェアバンクス。これは私闘ではない。学生同士のちんけな抗争でもない。
──戦争だよ、ムッシュ。れは、戦争だ」
Yes, just the first Fanzin book alone.
Commentary from Sakurai.――喝采せよ、喝采せよ。
――第四の刻は来たれり。
第一に大聖の咆哮響き渡り、第二に機神の双璧聳え立ち、第三に仮面は終焉に慟哭す。
刮目し、戦慄し、喝采せよ。
嗚呼、胸躍らずにいられるものか。
絶望と悪夢を引き裂き、終焉を超え、第四にして最新の物語が――
待ち望んだ《大殲》が、遂に幕を開くのだから!
And commentary from Nasu. Basically he praised how Demonbane influenced him and it was a legend. Demonbane Mythos did make a major impact on the industry at the time.デモンベイン再起動、確認――
クトゥルフ神話。魔道SF。ジャンク。ホラー。巨大ロボ。マルチバース式シナリオ構造。超人バトル。そして何より純白のフリルワンピを着た、絶対可憐にして厚顔不遜なメインヒロイン!
デモンベインには我々伝奇好きが望む全てがありました。
大十字九郎とアル・アジフが並び立つメインビジュアルを見た時の衝撃は、たかだか20年程度では色あせません。
あの時の
「うっわ、すげえの出てきたメッチャ面白そう!」
という羨望は、同じ業界で戦っていた誰もが思った事ではないでしょうか。
これでもか、これでもか、とアクセルを踏んで、定番になっていた多くの固定観念(オタクガジェット)をぶっ壊していったのも爽快でした。
破壊力の塊とも言えるデモンベインに、もう一度触れられる日がクルのですね。いちゲーマーとして、そしてライターとして、新しいデモンベインの躍動を心待ちにしております。
え、ゲーム本編の内容?
もちろん、メッチャ面白かったロボ!
Yeah, the magazines are pretty short ish. Like in the actual mags, they'd be about 2 pages min to like 5 ish depending on the length of content in them. Really short.2 parts done, this doesn't seem too long, can probably finish it tomorrow.
On another topic, anyone know what chapter this scan is from? Think after a while i stopped paying attention to all the mentions of cracking messing with physics, what's important there though is that this is saying apparently Critters are made of Cracking, which is you know obvious, but helps when i argue that these things exist as type 2 info manipulation, concept manipulation type 2, subjective reality etc, and resist all that, which is absurd to say, not to mention being protected by law and fate.
How do you kill these things? Even if you do kill a kikai they don't stay dead....
btw can u show me where to download inganock and sharnoth?Just finished Gahkthun, overall personally, still have Inganock over the others so far.
Reading everything, there are reoccurring themes, like never giving up. Wouldn't be surprised if Sona-Nul also touches on this, seems to be something fundamental to the series as a whole, ie Gii never giving up climbing the golden stairs, Mary never giving despite the meta=critters etc.
Looking at Tesla, after already seeing M is also interesting, cause as i said first thing i read was Gahkthun, immortal beings have very muted emotions, and or seek to fill the void in themselves with others. Maybe you could argue GK's obsession with science is an offshoot of that, but with Tesla he seeks the radiance in others, while M was kinda the same thing, he saw Mary as being this bright thing, kinda like how Tesla perceives Neon.
M is pretty fascinating, where he has virtual no emotions, but there are very slight "emotions" if you will that he feels briefly, like with Jane.
Can't wait to see Edison in action, i am thinking this guy is just bored with his immortal life and fills his void, by torturing others.
But anyway rambling aside, going to start Golden G'harne now, and work on the first Gahkthun CRT on the weekend.
Also there are important plot points there in those scenes. Use your eyes and remember the dialogue when needed (Sakurai and her H scenes lmfao)Kinda random, but just got to the first H scene in Sona Nyl, and got me thinking on how H scenes are done in this series, this is nothing new, clearly a tragic undertone there, nothing really sexual despite being sexual, as weird as that sounds.
It's always about the emotions and circumstances surrounding things, never just a pointless H scene. It's different, wish more series would approach things this way.
Also can i say i am getting serious Inganock vibes so far, already shaping up to be great. Metal humans, loss of memories, a protag with not only amnesia but an identity crisis.