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When the seggs has actual plot relations owo
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Steampunk ~What a Beautiful Discussion Thread~ The New Era
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Cyber Zombies are not subject to certain laws of physics.
Overwhelming mass?
Physical energy?
What happened to them? What happened to the meaning of laws that governed this world and planet? None. There was none of it. There was no meaning to them in anything.
There was no meaning.
They were the words spoken by Something that all Cyber Zombies revered.
They were the proposition common to all Cyber Zombies.
That was why they, the Cyber Zombies, were granted a great blessing.
...
The Cyber Zombie's armor made them impervious to all attacks. The only thing that could pierce through a Cyber Zombie was a non-physical action. That is to say, a power that could distort all matter and phenomenon, and yet there was none who could do it. If there was someone who could, it would perhaps have to be God, for example.
But there was no God in this world.
At least, there was no God on the planet who answered prayers of salvation.
That was why the Cyber Zombies attacked the survivors for a short while.
That same was said for the Cyber Zombie Ares.
Mass equals velocity squared. Even with the huge ruinous mass, the top half of the high-rise building that was cut diagonally by the Shaikorth's beaming that came with the kinetic energy with its fall, it was impossible for its machine body to be shattered. Other than the scaffolding being shakened and staggered, there was no concrete damage.
That was the blessing.
Far away at the reaches of darkness, they were protected by Something that was smiling by the Throne in the center of the ultimate abyss.
The World has ended, and only the Cyber Zombies were there.
Easily cutting through the hard rubble like melting butter with a hot knife, Ares mutated its neck so that it was long enough to stick its head out. They had received the blessing. They were protected. In that case, they had to live up to their expectations. They can only obey the command of their Lord.
Even if there was no God on the planet. Even if the Something Ares believed in had longed stopped paying attention to the planet and abandoned the world.
...
"Look here."
That voice. Where...from above?
A bright light came into view.
Something glassy had reflected off of its own Eye.
Just three inches (ten centimeters) in front it was a laser beaming lens that could kill even the Zombie.
"Cyber Zombie Ares. You are defeated."
A voice. A flash of light.
It was a light that filled the distorted sight. A white light.
A pure, white Cracking light. The only thing that could distort matter and phenomenon shatters the eternal blessing.
Even easier than a hot knife through butter, the extremely high-power thermal energy shatters the steel Cyber Zombie. It scattered, vaporized into very small pieces.
And--
What once was a human, has fallen into the sleep of death once more.
Overwhelming mass?
Physical energy?
What happened to them? What happened to the meaning of laws that governed this world and planet? None. There was none of it. There was no meaning to them in anything.
There was no meaning.
They were the words spoken by Something that all Cyber Zombies revered.
They were the proposition common to all Cyber Zombies.
That was why they, the Cyber Zombies, were granted a great blessing.
...
The Cyber Zombie's armor made them impervious to all attacks. The only thing that could pierce through a Cyber Zombie was a non-physical action. That is to say, a power that could distort all matter and phenomenon, and yet there was none who could do it. If there was someone who could, it would perhaps have to be God, for example.
But there was no God in this world.
At least, there was no God on the planet who answered prayers of salvation.
That was why the Cyber Zombies attacked the survivors for a short while.
That same was said for the Cyber Zombie Ares.
Mass equals velocity squared. Even with the huge ruinous mass, the top half of the high-rise building that was cut diagonally by the Shaikorth's beaming that came with the kinetic energy with its fall, it was impossible for its machine body to be shattered. Other than the scaffolding being shakened and staggered, there was no concrete damage.
That was the blessing.
Far away at the reaches of darkness, they were protected by Something that was smiling by the Throne in the center of the ultimate abyss.
The World has ended, and only the Cyber Zombies were there.
Easily cutting through the hard rubble like melting butter with a hot knife, Ares mutated its neck so that it was long enough to stick its head out. They had received the blessing. They were protected. In that case, they had to live up to their expectations. They can only obey the command of their Lord.
Even if there was no God on the planet. Even if the Something Ares believed in had longed stopped paying attention to the planet and abandoned the world.
...
"Look here."
That voice. Where...from above?
A bright light came into view.
Something glassy had reflected off of its own Eye.
Just three inches (ten centimeters) in front it was a laser beaming lens that could kill even the Zombie.
"Cyber Zombie Ares. You are defeated."
A voice. A flash of light.
It was a light that filled the distorted sight. A white light.
A pure, white Cracking light. The only thing that could distort matter and phenomenon shatters the eternal blessing.
Even easier than a hot knife through butter, the extremely high-power thermal energy shatters the steel Cyber Zombie. It scattered, vaporized into very small pieces.
And--
What once was a human, has fallen into the sleep of death once more.
Love how even for machine zombies, they also got the blessing to tank all conventional attacks and things not of the laws of physics.
The fact that it's Edison (ofc not ever named) whose directly blessing these guys to tank things not of Cracking is something else.
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Did what i could, whether it's actually good is another question though.
But all things good could be looking at Large Building level+, and Class K lifting strength, which would be oddly fitting seeing as Meta=Critters are now large building level, the Gahkthun characters and them would share the same tier again.
But all things good could be looking at Large Building level+, and Class K lifting strength, which would be oddly fitting seeing as Meta=Critters are now large building level, the Gahkthun characters and them would share the same tier again.
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@Celestial_Pegasus Hoho! More chars in the Tier 8 be noice~
I think we'll have even more for Tier 8 ish or smth with the Angels/Messengers of Sona Nyl. They pretty much do the same thing more or less as the Sharnoth Meta-Critters do. Though the things they do to buildings is also varied cuz of their different unique abilities, they're essentially the same as Redgrave's scans of one of the Angels showed.
I think we'll have even more for Tier 8 ish or smth with the Angels/Messengers of Sona Nyl. They pretty much do the same thing more or less as the Sharnoth Meta-Critters do. Though the things they do to buildings is also varied cuz of their different unique abilities, they're essentially the same as Redgrave's scans of one of the Angels showed.
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Ultimately, seems like kikai are still gonna be the strongest and most haxed.
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Wish we could have Valusia already or announced. I'd really love to talk about the Horrors there.
They pretty much also have their own traits as human destroyers sorta for what little I gained, plus some mind and fear hax and other stuff.
As things are, yeah I would say Kikai are the most powerful fantasy race followed by Critters and Messengers (Angels), then Meta-Critters and finally the machines like Copy Fausts (bootleg Meta=Critters but machines wearing the "skin" of an Old One) and Cyber Zombies.
Other beings like Old Ones are hard to find cuz most went poof by the main general setting, let alone the Outer Gods and Elder Gods who at most are vaguely some level of 2-A+ or whatever, maybe Tier 1 however the metaphysical stuff we get in Sona Nyl EX Scenarios and side story mats translate into that.
They pretty much also have their own traits as human destroyers sorta for what little I gained, plus some mind and fear hax and other stuff.
As things are, yeah I would say Kikai are the most powerful fantasy race followed by Critters and Messengers (Angels), then Meta-Critters and finally the machines like Copy Fausts (bootleg Meta=Critters but machines wearing the "skin" of an Old One) and Cyber Zombies.
Other beings like Old Ones are hard to find cuz most went poof by the main general setting, let alone the Outer Gods and Elder Gods who at most are vaguely some level of 2-A+ or whatever, maybe Tier 1 however the metaphysical stuff we get in Sona Nyl EX Scenarios and side story mats translate into that.
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Something I just realized while going through Inganock Website TL work.
At some point, we should really rework how the Phenomenon Equation/Cracking Effect is described.
The website's keyword on Cracking stuff explains that Astaire didn't even really create it but had the "theory" for it, and since the Sona Nyl VN states Edison created it and that he granted he gave his "blessing" of it to humanity (or at least the Society, Foundation, and Astaire per the Engine Dictionary), I think some rewrite of it would be needed than just making it an Astaire thing.
Clearly it can't just Astaire cuz the Society again uses it for their Crimson/Bright Eyes thing.
Although granted, every description of Cracking I got always mentions Astaire but there should be more to it than what we got now.
At some point, we should really rework how the Phenomenon Equation/Cracking Effect is described.
The website's keyword on Cracking stuff explains that Astaire didn't even really create it but had the "theory" for it, and since the Sona Nyl VN states Edison created it and that he granted he gave his "blessing" of it to humanity (or at least the Society, Foundation, and Astaire per the Engine Dictionary), I think some rewrite of it would be needed than just making it an Astaire thing.
Clearly it can't just Astaire cuz the Society again uses it for their Crimson/Bright Eyes thing.
Although granted, every description of Cracking I got always mentions Astaire but there should be more to it than what we got now.
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Inganock VN also alludes to it, that Astaire had the theory, and made it a reality using the Emerald Tablet sent by Edison.
But we can fix it once we get all the Cracking revisions through.
But we can fix it once we get all the Cracking revisions through.
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Been thinking about this. If Cracking is the Manipulation of Info Type 2 which is present everywhere and said Type 2 Information can also form Nonexistent Entities, however M and Edison are not bound by it, wouldn't this give M and Edison Nonexistent Physiology Type 2???
Correct me if I'm wrong bc its been 4 years since I played the WAB games.
Correct me if I'm wrong bc its been 4 years since I played the WAB games.
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To start with you need evidence they aren't bound by Cracking.
If you want to go down the rabbit hole of well they are beings who predate creation, and are beyond time and space, idk how that all fits.
As usual, when talking about them, is it something that's attributable to their abstract status, or actually the thing you're arguing for? Might be iffy without statements about being the nothingness beyond all nothingness or something.
I don't pay much attention to those uber abilities, but hey you guys can argue it.
If you want to go down the rabbit hole of well they are beings who predate creation, and are beyond time and space, idk how that all fits.
As usual, when talking about them, is it something that's attributable to their abstract status, or actually the thing you're arguing for? Might be iffy without statements about being the nothingness beyond all nothingness or something.
I don't pay much attention to those uber abilities, but hey you guys can argue it.
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Don't have any evidence and for that I'll have to play the VN and read the stories, which isn't possible atm.
But hypothetically speaking, if M and Edison were to get NEP Type 2, that'd buff the haxes like Golden Eye being able to perceive NEP 2, Tesla's NPI extending to NEP 2, etc.
Though if its proven that Demonbane's Nyarlathotep and WAB Nyarlathotep are same entities via same Verse, then you won't need evidence from WAB as Demonbane itself has direct evidence of The Nothingness of Nyarlathotep being NEP Type 2, Transduality Type 2, and other uber haxxed stuff.
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Definitely. The outdated description is what I have an issue with.
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Would be so damn broke lolol if it came down to do it lol.
I mean also for DMB and WAB being connected, there are some nods to things in WAB that reminds one of DMB or even the other way around I imagine.
Namely being:
*DYN Memo mentions a "Dupin" and "Z" that were killed by the Akushinkage or something. What a Shining League story of Gahkthun Novel Anthology, that Jin Haganeya wrote, DOES mention such chars and the mention about Akushinkage attacking Marseille was mentioned in the World Guide but that's treated as a "truth is unknown" meme.
*Akushinkage seem to exist in DMB, or at least in DYN Freaks as is their base being in the Himelayan mountains and even the location of sorts according to DMB Fanzin Vol 1 is said to be "Underground Demon World (Chikamagai)". Shining League and other side mats talk more about the Akushinkage's base op but the novel anthology also called them as "Underground Demon World (Magai, K'un Lun)".
*DYN Memo talks about a "Douglas Wayne" who got Bruce Wayne'd/Batman'd except more on a vigilante type that would have been a brutal killer but ended up getting saved by someone named "Thunderheart" + something about achieving "Satori"/Enlightenment. Shining League has a "Douglas Fairbanks" who can go into some "Satori" like state by being high on drugs but his fight with Tesla made him finally see things more clearly and be more free of mind? And Thunderheart is a Native American name of sorts I think, and the Thunderbird Tesla encountered was a "ancient spirit of the new world" which the last bit is often what you would call North America back then.
*Azana Hatsumi of DYN Freaks is/became the new Azathoth, at least to the universe/multiverse/setting of the manga or whatever she's from, making her a female Azathoth. AZTT/Azathoth in WAB is female and like Azana, she also has a Knight of her own in the form of M (dk if they're said to have anything "going on" between them if you know what I mean owo)
*I'm probably gonna get this wrong here and there, but DMB treats stories and worlds as interchangeable or the same? WAB did that in Sona Nyl WN where Lily is told to "cross over stories, cross over worlds" or whatnot. Probably not exactly the same, but there's that.
*DMB series having multiple avatars of Nyarlathotep existing at one time, likely a nod to actual Mythos Nyar having a "thousand faces/masks". WAB Series has two Nyars running around in the same universe, one of which originated from an entirely different sky/world called "The World of Historical Facts" which is meant to be our world more or less.
*Critters apparently exist in DMB but aren't detailed ish according to Mugen. Critters in WAB are a common enough thing they're like a staple to the series.
*Yog-Sothoth is ofc a thing in DMB alongside the other Outher Gods. Yoggy in WAB is also, but they became chow for Moon King/Edison Nyar xD.
*Akushinkage seem to exist in DMB, or at least in DYN Freaks as is their base being in the Himelayan mountains and even the location of sorts according to DMB Fanzin Vol 1 is said to be "Underground Demon World (Chikamagai)". Shining League and other side mats talk more about the Akushinkage's base op but the novel anthology also called them as "Underground Demon World (Magai, K'un Lun)".
*DYN Memo talks about a "Douglas Wayne" who got Bruce Wayne'd/Batman'd except more on a vigilante type that would have been a brutal killer but ended up getting saved by someone named "Thunderheart" + something about achieving "Satori"/Enlightenment. Shining League has a "Douglas Fairbanks" who can go into some "Satori" like state by being high on drugs but his fight with Tesla made him finally see things more clearly and be more free of mind? And Thunderheart is a Native American name of sorts I think, and the Thunderbird Tesla encountered was a "ancient spirit of the new world" which the last bit is often what you would call North America back then.
*Azana Hatsumi of DYN Freaks is/became the new Azathoth, at least to the universe/multiverse/setting of the manga or whatever she's from, making her a female Azathoth. AZTT/Azathoth in WAB is female and like Azana, she also has a Knight of her own in the form of M (dk if they're said to have anything "going on" between them if you know what I mean owo)
*I'm probably gonna get this wrong here and there, but DMB treats stories and worlds as interchangeable or the same? WAB did that in Sona Nyl WN where Lily is told to "cross over stories, cross over worlds" or whatnot. Probably not exactly the same, but there's that.
*DMB series having multiple avatars of Nyarlathotep existing at one time, likely a nod to actual Mythos Nyar having a "thousand faces/masks". WAB Series has two Nyars running around in the same universe, one of which originated from an entirely different sky/world called "The World of Historical Facts" which is meant to be our world more or less.
*Critters apparently exist in DMB but aren't detailed ish according to Mugen. Critters in WAB are a common enough thing they're like a staple to the series.
*Yog-Sothoth is ofc a thing in DMB alongside the other Outher Gods. Yoggy in WAB is also, but they became chow for Moon King/Edison Nyar xD.
There's probably more similarities or stuff from each series that could tie them together, but I still assume we've yet to get more solid, proper stuff to truly connect WAB and DMB together.
Like @Celestial_Pegasus said, we probably need a proper collab (assuming you don't count Novel Anthology as one, which would be weird cuz they DID wrote their piece together on it with other writers too) or something. Maybe a VN, a LN, anything really.
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That Azana & Ultrathotep (Nyarlathotep) - AZTT & M (Nyarlathotep) connection is just too similar.
If we get a crossover or something more concrete, then you'll have WAB with a more extensive lore, more smurfed and buffed haxes, more haxxed characters, etc.
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Probably something else Jin and Sakura acknowledge as taking inspiration from one another lol.
Another one that's probably worth a connection or something is just like how the Sphinx Nyar wanted to take control of Azana/Azathoth in DYN, and Edison (Moon King Nyar) has control of the Oblivion Golden Eye, which also happens to be Azathoth whose body fragment Edison has is so large it serves as Kadath's moon (keep in mind, some side mats have called Kadath as having 4~5 times the surface area of earth, so being the moon means it's also bigger than our moon).
Another similarity connection, no? ^^;
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Have another calc i want/will try to do, and then that should be it for ap.
Still about 5 days left before i can bump the GK calc.
Think next immediate thread will just be a short one addressing Mary's super-genius intelligence.
Still about 5 days left before i can bump the GK calc.
Think next immediate thread will just be a short one addressing Mary's super-genius intelligence.
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@Mycroft_er Since you read Shining Night, you know if you've got to this part about Wilhelm's Art, Knight's Sword?
I had a feeling there might have been more to his Art than just being strengthened and being able to cut just about anything, including lightning.
It's also funny too knowing this is yet one of many "blessings" GK cooked up and gave among the many Arts he's conjured up over the years.
是こそが彼の異能。支配の異能。
かつて師と相対した時には最大の効果を
発揮することはなかったが——
この程度、この海魔の雫程度の端末ならば。
空間の隅々まで支配して、
存在の隅々まで支配する。
This was his Art. The Art of Dominance.
Although he couldn't showcase its greatest effect during his fight with his master in the past--
At this extent, it can fell even a terminal of the sea demon.
It can dominate every corners of space, dominate every corners of existence.
かつて師と相対した時には最大の効果を
発揮することはなかったが——
この程度、この海魔の雫程度の端末ならば。
空間の隅々まで支配して、
存在の隅々まで支配する。
This was his Art. The Art of Dominance.
Although he couldn't showcase its greatest effect during his fight with his master in the past--
At this extent, it can fell even a terminal of the sea demon.
It can dominate every corners of space, dominate every corners of existence.
I had a feeling there might have been more to his Art than just being strengthened and being able to cut just about anything, including lightning.
It's also funny too knowing this is yet one of many "blessings" GK cooked up and gave among the many Arts he's conjured up over the years.
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Almost done with chapter 1 of Sona Nyl, good stuff.
Atm to me, looks like messengers are abstract beings with mind, space, vibration hax.
I like the whole theme of messengers desecrating what an angel is suppose to be, pure holy etc, being sort of warped automatons in service of God, who is also warped, and not a pure God by any means....
Who was that one god who destroyed galaxies or whatever with kindness again?
But anyway, shaping up to be a real good story.
Atm to me, looks like messengers are abstract beings with mind, space, vibration hax.
I like the whole theme of messengers desecrating what an angel is suppose to be, pure holy etc, being sort of warped automatons in service of God, who is also warped, and not a pure God by any means....
Who was that one god who destroyed galaxies or whatever with kindness again?
But anyway, shaping up to be a real good story.
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@Celestial_Pegasus Sona Nyl's probably one of Sakurai's most prized works with the amount of lore and good stuff she cooked with it there.
Also keep in mind we got 6 more Messengers after that also have their own unique and general abilities just like Critters do.
Sanido/Kthanid, the Queen and King of Elysia (the world of Elder Gods, not to confuse with Elysia the woman...dk why Sakurai had to name a character after an apparent location also lol)
Also keep in mind we got 6 more Messengers after that also have their own unique and general abilities just like Critters do.
Sanido/Kthanid, the Queen and King of Elysia (the world of Elder Gods, not to confuse with Elysia the woman...dk why Sakurai had to name a character after an apparent location also lol)
People will not want to remember Elysia.
The beauty of the palace and its gardens, the very radiance of the stars that crushes the eyes and devours the spirit.
No one can withstand the beauty of its supreme presence.
Elysia. The palace of the White Ones. The Garden. It is said to be a great star, Betelgeuse, Hyades, or the center of the galaxy, but there is no way that one can reveal its location.
In the face of Sanido's radiance, words and thoughts have no meaning.
Oh, Sanido!
The beautiful one, Sanido of the Golden Eyes!
The Lord of Elysia. The King and Queen. The Princess and Prince.
The Elder God. The Burning White Heat. The Horror. The Eminence.
Sanido's love is said to be the protector of all intelligent beings, spiritual bodies, and people.
However, there is no guarantee that this love will be beneficial to humanity. Its extreme beauty is only poison to fragile dreams. I'm sure that the one that has eliminated the B26 galaxy was that of your "love".
When will you, Sanido, who claims to be A.Z.T.T.'s "Equal" because of possessing pure Golden Eyes, realize that it is your pride that keeps the Black King away?
Remember, people, do not forget.
Sanido loved the Black King, but that love was different from what we humans think of as love, a kind of physical law of the universe that only invites the ridicule of Hypnos.
Source, Engine Dictionary, Unknown Author Story
The beauty of the palace and its gardens, the very radiance of the stars that crushes the eyes and devours the spirit.
No one can withstand the beauty of its supreme presence.
Elysia. The palace of the White Ones. The Garden. It is said to be a great star, Betelgeuse, Hyades, or the center of the galaxy, but there is no way that one can reveal its location.
In the face of Sanido's radiance, words and thoughts have no meaning.
Oh, Sanido!
The beautiful one, Sanido of the Golden Eyes!
The Lord of Elysia. The King and Queen. The Princess and Prince.
The Elder God. The Burning White Heat. The Horror. The Eminence.
Sanido's love is said to be the protector of all intelligent beings, spiritual bodies, and people.
However, there is no guarantee that this love will be beneficial to humanity. Its extreme beauty is only poison to fragile dreams. I'm sure that the one that has eliminated the B26 galaxy was that of your "love".
When will you, Sanido, who claims to be A.Z.T.T.'s "Equal" because of possessing pure Golden Eyes, realize that it is your pride that keeps the Black King away?
Remember, people, do not forget.
Sanido loved the Black King, but that love was different from what we humans think of as love, a kind of physical law of the universe that only invites the ridicule of Hypnos.
Source, Engine Dictionary, Unknown Author Story
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I know this. This power is shown in Wilhelm's fight with Bane of Fury.
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@Qliphoth_Bacikal This makes me remember something about an Elder God who exists in nothingness?
May have been Sanido too, but don't remember, when all the main story stuff is done, will be interesting to look at the Elder Gods.
May have been Sanido too, but don't remember, when all the main story stuff is done, will be interesting to look at the Elder Gods.
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Sanido's also been referred to as Kthanid, an actual Elder God from the expanded circle lore of Cthulu Mythos.
And yes, they're an Elder God who exists in AND reigns in nothingness.
Beyond the stars.
Perhaps beyond the abyss of the universe itself.
The beauty of the palace and gardens, the glitter itself, will shatter your eyes and devour your mind. No one will be able to bear the beauty and the presence of the high.
Elysia.
The Palace of the White Ones.
The Garden.
At times, it has even simply been referred to as just Erisha.
It is said to be a large star, either Betelgeuse, Hyades, or the central core of some galaxy or cluster of stars. But there is no way for anyone to know where it is.
Words, thoughts, nothing holds meaning there.
Not before the glimmer of Sanido.
--Yes.
---The Golden Eyes are there.
The Lord of Elysia.
The King and Queen. The Princess and Prince.
The White God. The Burning White Heat.
The Horror.
The Eminence.
The ruler of the abyssal universe, with its many titles of honor, is the ruler of Elysia, of Erisha. The Garden of Radiance, where no dark evil can enter, the farthest point itself, the end of the world, beyond the Wailing Wall, the end of the horizon of causality. Darkness and evil are irrelevant. The queen of existence and nonexistence reigns in the realm of nonexistence where even the existence of all things is not permitted.
Sanido is filled with compassion.
She is the protector of all intelligent beings, spiritual bodies, and all minds in the universe.
However, it is a wonder if the white color of her extreme compassion can be called beneficial to, for example, the human race on Earth. Her extreme beauty is a poison to the fragile and ephemeral.
A beautiful thing.
A horrible thing.
An insane thing.
Sanido. Or perhaps, Kthanid.
---Even now, at this very moment.
---The Golden Eyes of the End are staring.
At the Universe. At Darkness.
At the Stars. At Everything.
At Space. At Time.
At Distortion. At Stagnantation.
At Life. At Destruction.
At Finite. At Infinite.
And at a young, young girl, who may or may not be an egg of her own species about to be born, was not even a life, but a mass of the Formula of all evil.
---It stares at her.
---The Eyes that Sees and Reveals All Things.
Source, Gaze, Sona Nyl Doujin short story (Also written by Sakurai)
Perhaps beyond the abyss of the universe itself.
The beauty of the palace and gardens, the glitter itself, will shatter your eyes and devour your mind. No one will be able to bear the beauty and the presence of the high.
Elysia.
The Palace of the White Ones.
The Garden.
At times, it has even simply been referred to as just Erisha.
It is said to be a large star, either Betelgeuse, Hyades, or the central core of some galaxy or cluster of stars. But there is no way for anyone to know where it is.
Words, thoughts, nothing holds meaning there.
Not before the glimmer of Sanido.
--Yes.
---The Golden Eyes are there.
The Lord of Elysia.
The King and Queen. The Princess and Prince.
The White God. The Burning White Heat.
The Horror.
The Eminence.
The ruler of the abyssal universe, with its many titles of honor, is the ruler of Elysia, of Erisha. The Garden of Radiance, where no dark evil can enter, the farthest point itself, the end of the world, beyond the Wailing Wall, the end of the horizon of causality. Darkness and evil are irrelevant. The queen of existence and nonexistence reigns in the realm of nonexistence where even the existence of all things is not permitted.
Sanido is filled with compassion.
She is the protector of all intelligent beings, spiritual bodies, and all minds in the universe.
However, it is a wonder if the white color of her extreme compassion can be called beneficial to, for example, the human race on Earth. Her extreme beauty is a poison to the fragile and ephemeral.
A beautiful thing.
A horrible thing.
An insane thing.
Sanido. Or perhaps, Kthanid.
---Even now, at this very moment.
---The Golden Eyes of the End are staring.
At the Universe. At Darkness.
At the Stars. At Everything.
At Space. At Time.
At Distortion. At Stagnantation.
At Life. At Destruction.
At Finite. At Infinite.
And at a young, young girl, who may or may not be an egg of her own species about to be born, was not even a life, but a mass of the Formula of all evil.
---It stares at her.
---The Eyes that Sees and Reveals All Things.
Source, Gaze, Sona Nyl Doujin short story (Also written by Sakurai)
But like all things, Sakurai hasn't expanded much on some of the things like Elder Gods because they're mostly mentioned ish in side mats like Refrain's EX scenario and Engine Dictionary. There is a brief mention of them in the end of Sona Ny Refrain ending and I think the Golden Eyes have been said to be called "Elysian Eyes" too or something, but yeah, it's mostly side mats that you'll ever get to hear about the Elder Gods.
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Based on that, Sanido looks like having NEP type 2, and transduality.
Could maybe argue even tier 1 too...
Could maybe argue even tier 1 too...
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Funny to think this galaxy-destroying Elder God who breaks stuff with kindness alone also thinks of themselves as Azathoth's "equal" and likes the Black King, but M doesn't want none of that LOL.
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That statement about words, thoughts, nothing having meaning, and her staring at the infinite and everything, are very interesting, as I said could be tier 1.
And she/he is beyond causality too. Yea op, NEP type 2, Acausality type 4, maybe 5? Non-duality nature 1 or 2?
And Sanudo hasn't even shown up much in the story.
And she/he is beyond causality too. Yea op, NEP type 2, Acausality type 4, maybe 5? Non-duality nature 1 or 2?
And Sanudo hasn't even shown up much in the story.
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You know smth is wrong when a verse has tier 1 arguments cuz some rando who kills ppl with kindness is making this possible
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Don't forget.
This same rando is a ruler of Gods...and also wants to get into M's pants.
Yet M has that chadness of saying "nah, fam."
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Also consider the line that Sanido claimed to be AZTT (Azathoth's) "equal" just because of them also possessing "true Golden Eyes".
Seems like the Queen of Outer Gods also got something like this I feel, not out of place just like the OG Mythos I think.
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Speaking of AZZT, have we gotten any statements like her Chutulu Mythos counterpart ie dreamed all of existence into reality?
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None that I can find as far as I know.
Only thing I found anymore about AZTT/Azathoth is they are the "King/Queen of the Outer Ones, the very universe itself". or something of that sort from the Liarsoft Sona Nyl Magazine short stories. They do have other descriptions related to the Steampunk universe such as being the "central core of the universe", the "amorphous dark mass of the chaotic abyss", and the "unimaginative lightless end that transcends time". This and also just straight up being the nucleus that sat at the center of the universe.
Nothing about dreaming all of existence of reality...yet.
There's a mention of Azathoth there in Sona Nyl as well but I forgot how it went about them since it wasn't a lot iirc. Just here and there including towards the end but that was it I believe.
Edit: You know reading this again, maybe being the "center of the universe" could equate to being the creator but it doesn't give me that vibe besides being the ruler of it...or something. IDK, we'll just have to see.
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Stuff about Cracking we know with available information translated (Fan or Official, whichever we can work with as long as it's correct):
- Cracking Effect (Kanji: Phenomenon Equation) is the power to rewrite the laws of physics to conjure certain phenomenon, most commonly described to do things like heal any disease or illness and have firepower surpassing firearms (Whole series)
- It is described as the power to overturn/rewrite reality through cognition and understanding. By mastering a "certain mathematical formula/equation", one can rewrite the very world itself (Tyrhia Official Website rewind section...thing).
- It can give birth to various beings of phenomenon this way, which they are referred to as "Cracking Beings". Nothing else is known about they gain from being born from Cracking, but this tells us they're clearly not a human being in any conventional way (whole series).
- Cracking can cause not only physical but also metaphysical damage (Sona Nyl for Messengers, Gahkthun for GK's Ultrathotep form. Unclear if this applies to all others, wouldn't be surprised if that was the case).
- When mastered/boosted/whatever, Cracking can go as far as to rewrite the numbers that make up the world (Gahkthun, could be a unique thing to GK but seems like something possible).
- Arts, expressions of Cracking, are also said to ignore the laws of physics and grant certain effects much like normal cracking is (Gahkthun).
- Stated to be a power that can distort matter and phenomenon (Karashrer, likely also in Sona Nyl but forgot to recall this).
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Continuing on from the immediate findings of the list of things Cracking does, and also in the event we do make a Cracking Effect powers page:
*Physics Manip: Consistently described to be its purpose, to warp the very laws of physics in the world
*Math Manip: Consistently described as a Formula/Equation (either works Kanji wise) that's mathematical and you have to be able to master it in order to truly wield the power to warp physics. That, and it's something to do with rewriting the "numbers that make up the world" so there's that.
*Concept Manip: Since Cracking lets you distort matter and phenomena, and even can let you deal metaphysical damage, guessing this means you're doing things on a more fundamental level. Forgot what other examples this lets you do to get concept manip.
*Info Manip: Numbers thing again, world rewriting stuff. Yada-yada.
...Any other examples of powers this'd give ya?
*Physics Manip: Consistently described to be its purpose, to warp the very laws of physics in the world
*Math Manip: Consistently described as a Formula/Equation (either works Kanji wise) that's mathematical and you have to be able to master it in order to truly wield the power to warp physics. That, and it's something to do with rewriting the "numbers that make up the world" so there's that.
*Concept Manip: Since Cracking lets you distort matter and phenomena, and even can let you deal metaphysical damage, guessing this means you're doing things on a more fundamental level. Forgot what other examples this lets you do to get concept manip.
*Info Manip: Numbers thing again, world rewriting stuff. Yada-yada.
...Any other examples of powers this'd give ya?
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Subjective reality and reality warping, come to mind.
And yea a Cracking page should be made eventually.
And yea a Cracking page should be made eventually.
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Reality Warp, forgot about that for a second. Right, it is also doing things that technically is that so yeah it fits.
And Subjective Reality...I'm guessing that's to do with the conjuring of phenomena like fire manip and such right? Technically that also works with Cracking Beings because they are beings who aren't "real" or more fantasy/illusion like in nature made manifest, but that's more of a side effect or consequence to the Cracking Effect Experiments. Namely the Critters, Kikai, and Monsters of Inganock or the Messengers of Sona Nyl (Underground World) as is even the Cracking Beings that appeared because of their contact with the Bell in Gahkthun like the Killer Clown and Meta-Critter Jabberwocky.
Then again, Nightengale's Art Other can allow her to form Critters by gathering hundreds of light and shadow beings, and adding the Bell examples above, it's not solely related to the Experiments.
Besides this, I can't think of any other example but the phenomenon conjuring stuff.
And Subjective Reality...I'm guessing that's to do with the conjuring of phenomena like fire manip and such right? Technically that also works with Cracking Beings because they are beings who aren't "real" or more fantasy/illusion like in nature made manifest, but that's more of a side effect or consequence to the Cracking Effect Experiments. Namely the Critters, Kikai, and Monsters of Inganock or the Messengers of Sona Nyl (Underground World) as is even the Cracking Beings that appeared because of their contact with the Bell in Gahkthun like the Killer Clown and Meta-Critter Jabberwocky.
Then again, Nightengale's Art Other can allow her to form Critters by gathering hundreds of light and shadow beings, and adding the Bell examples above, it's not solely related to the Experiments.
Besides this, I can't think of any other example but the phenomenon conjuring stuff.
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You posted the evidence on page 3, Cracking rewrites the world through cognition of thought.
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Oh lol.
Sometimes I be forgetting min details like this lol.
Although yeah, that would fall under the "being able to conjure certain phenomenon" thing.
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Will probably start working on the Gahkthun/Cracking CRT in my sandbox tomorrow, seeing as it's my day of, and i am gonna be doing nothing with all this snow coming.
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Um... Law Manip?
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That too, so like 7 things so far.
Imagine trying to face a critter, and you get hit with basically 10 different passive abilities....
Imagine trying to face a critter, and you get hit with basically 10 different passive abilities....
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