Steampunk ~What a Beautiful Discussion Thread~ The New Era

[Qliphoth_Bacikal]

@Mycroft_er That one's definitely a lot to use if you want a more plainer, flat image of the island's structural size.

Kinda dark from the looks of it, but at least you can see the outline of it xD

 

[Qliphoth_Bacikal]

I just realized something while looking at an active GK vs thread on here.

Would Rosenkreuz not end up getting info hax or something? Not just out of the potential change to Cracking, but also because his gaze in base form can destroy even Critters, who we learn in Inganock side stories that they not only can't even be harmed by Cracking, they also are information beings and whatnot?

And that's just GK in base and merely having to glare at them.

Ulthrathotep GK would make it even stronger, no? So dude's glare alone can also destroy beings made of information/can exist as information, and that's not getting into his branch hands thing he got with him if that wasn't already enough owo.

 

[Mycroft_er]

Would Rosenkreuz not end up getting info hax or something? Not just out of the potential change to Cracking, but also because his gaze in base form can destroy even Critters, who we learn in Inganock side stories that they not only can't even be harmed by Cracking, they also are information beings and whatnot?

Yes. His Crimson Eyes are Art. Basically, it is Cracking Effect.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

His hax is like layered too seeing as Critter's resist the Cracking Effect.

 

[Qliphoth_Bacikal]

@Mycroft_er @Celestial_Pegasus

Pretty much, yeah.

And this also would boost Tesla's resistance or add some seeing that he took this same glance from GK that had already annihilated hundreds of Nightengale's Others (light and dark made beings) + her Critter, and that was a Tesla that was running on pretty low fumes by then owo

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Almost done with chapter 1 i think.

Based on that, and the encyclopedia, Art's are definitely cracking, just limited, so they will scale to the upcoming revisions.

Golden King is in need of an intelligence upgrade too, seeing as the Bell is just an invention of him, and it can do the calculations required to achieve cracking, which can warp reality, and all that other nonsense.

I am very interested in how the golden eyes work, Neon has them, but she isn't able to hear their voice yet at this point, and she has had them for years, they are working correctly, being able to decipher what Cracking Fields are, but Neon just can't hear it yet, which leads me to believe a similar thing was going on with Ati, albeit she seemed to have been able to use it a little.

Both Neon and Ati have had theirs for years, Mary only has hers for like a single year, and it gets to the point she has cosmic awareness being able to see through multiple universes... What's the trigger here? Is Mary just built different.

 

[Qliphoth_Bacikal]

Damn, now I really gotta step up the Gahkthun novel stuff pace wise lol.

That reminds me on Art that, even as limited forms of the Cracking Effect, they really do show a bunch of stuff that let's them do things you'd at least expect to see in normal Cracking. The Governing Council has them, the normal students like Erich Zann, Theodore Lupin, and I think Auguste Rodin. Then you got the extra students who don't appear in the main VN from the Anthology book and they also got Art that do a bunch of stuff on their own.

Art's already bonkers enough, but normal Cracking gotta be even more Cracked (kek).

I am very interested in how the golden eyes work, Neon has them, but she isn't able to hear their voice yet at this point, and she has had them for years, they are working correctly, being able to decipher what Cracking Fields are, but Neon just can't hear it yet, which leads me to believe a similar thing was going on with Ati, albeit she seemed to have been able to use it a little.

If Ati hadn't been "retconned" (getting pre fantasy race changed), she probably would have started to "hear" voices like Mary and later Neon do.

We still have more G.E wielders in Celenaria and Valusia but I can't say anything for them cuz no TL's ( ), though there was CG images for the one in Valusia which I guess is the thing about starting up ancient engines and solving complex equations thing.

At least for Neon, I can assure she does start to hear that in the Novel Anthology in the story Sakurai wrote, though that's like post Gahkthun VN time-wise if I'm getting the timeline right.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Even then though by the timeline, Mary's use of it, is ridiculously fast, and absurd compared to the others.

Does it have to do with her constantly being in life or death situations? Doesn't make sense seeing as being a runner, Ati was in danger every night, or maybe it's the degree of danger? Mary was in not just physical danger, but also mental, seeings as her mind was constantly under stress just from being around Meta=Critters.

Anyway, applied a bunch of the Sharnoth revisions, will just do Moran, and call it a day there, and go back into Gahkthun.

 

[Qliphoth_Bacikal]

I'm also wondering if it has something to do with M, sense the Engine Dictionary describes him as someone who "lost Gold" or is searching for it.

Considering he's also like AZTT/Azathoth's "Black Knight" and searches everywhere he goes on Earth or Kadath for Golden Eyes, that kinda makes me feel that has something to do with it...but maybe that's not it.

Other than that, we really need more of the Steampunk Series title out. Too bad MG can't confirm if they'll do more cuz of "policy reasons", which tbf, it wouldn't really fit to say something only to later announce that they can't/don't have approval to license it out so...

I think if MG is still continuing the licensing of the series, they HAVE to do Valusia of Shining White next. I need my Leo and his False God mech action going on. Plus that of Hilde Rome d'Arc (Jeanne d'Arc) and Charles Leclarc of the Society just so we know we obviously got other higher executives in the Society.

Funnily enough, the side materials also include more other agents and executives yet we've had next to know official art of them lol. Aleister Crowley is an agent of the Society but he's not an upper echelon executive like Weisphat and Rosenkreuz was, but other than that hasn't been part of the main plot. Weishphat is, again, a recurring char in the side stories but hasn't appeared in the main yet. And of course we got occasional mentions of the Cross Knight Nietzche, also another agent that has yet to be part of the actual main series afaik...

Seriously, why is the top agents of the Society involved in the main VN's but never the lower agents? Granted, there is Jane Doe and Mathers, but like...come on xD. Then again, given the plots of each game, I'm guessing no less than the top agents (Rosenkreuz, M, the Three Wise Men, Hilde, Charles, etc.) could get involved ^^;

 

[Mycroft_er]

Simply GOAT.

Spoiler

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Looks like you're almost done with Sona-Nyl?

You can just see the evilness coming off Edison, this guy is a menace to the multiverse.

 

[RM97]

Only Elder God Tesla can stop Edison now

 

[Qliphoth_Bacikal]

Funny how Edison, or Tick Tock Man if you wanna go at it (tbf, you could do the same with M who Mary still called him as "James", probably short for saying James Moriarty that the BK took the body of to use as his meat puppet), doesn't have to do much of anything cuz he already did what he did in this setting of Steampunk, and still a goddamn menace owo

@Mycroft_er Is a man on a mission to get to doing the extra stories there owo.

@RM97 I wanna see Sakurai do a DYN Freaks moment, and do just that but with Tesla as an E.G lol

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Only Elder God Tesla can stop Edison now

When I finish gahkthun, would you mind updating that Golden King calc with the new values?

Actually I could give you the evidence now if you want, since for all we know it will take weeks for it to be evaluated.

Still waiting on that for my metacritter calcs...

 

[RM97]

When I finish gahkthun, would you mind updating that Golden King calc with the new values?

Actually I could give you the evidence now if you want, since for all we know it will take weeks for it to be evaluated.

Still waiting on that for my metacritter calcs...

Sure you can give new values now and I'll update it soon.

 

[Qliphoth_Bacikal]

Sure you can give new values now and I'll update it soon.

If you want, you can also maybe use the picture @Mycroft_er put up earlier the other day.

It's a more flat image to use for scaling, although idk if it really changes much besides that.

Could still be worth something if you to use that.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

@RM97

-Chapter 1

It takes 20 minutes by tram to make a half loop around the Island, which means it take 40 minutes to make a full loop. According to this, average speed of a tram is 20-25km/h

 

[RM97]

If you want, you can also maybe use the picture @Mycroft_er put up earlier the other day.

It's a more flat image to use for scaling, although idk if it really changes much besides that.

Could still be worth something if you to use that.

I'll check it out soon.

@RM97

-Chapter 1

It takes 20 minutes by tram to make a half loop around the Island, which means it take 40 minutes to make a full loop. According to this, average speed of a tram is 20-25km/h

I'll calc it in a few hours once I wake up.

 

[Mycroft_er]

Finished Sona-Nyl. Edison would definitely be my favorite antagonist. I'll start the bonus stories soon.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Fav antagonist? That's a big claim, but expected from the guy with the Edison avatar i guess lol.

As much i want to know more about Edison, and the power of gold, will save that for my own read through, in a month or so...

 

[RM97]

@RM97

-Chapter 1

It takes 20 minutes by tram to make a half loop around the Island, which means it take 40 minutes to make a full loop. According to this, average speed of a tram is 20-25km/h

Good news and bad news.

Bad news is that, I did some calcs and this will make the Island even smaller given taking the average speed and 40mins full loop makes the Ellipse perimeter of the Island around 13.3km while going by my original calc, the perimeter is 18.55km aka a Downgrade

Good news is that, we don't have to take average speed since it is only limited to Pedestrian Areas and Marseille Island tramway goes around the suspension bridge encircling the island which has its own pathway. As such, based on this (as well as this link you gave), we can take the maximum speed of 80kmph which goes hand in hand with "Quick Half Loop" statement. This will make the perimeter 50+ km.

 

[RM97]

Fellas, its here:
High 6-C/Large Island Level Golden King & 5-C/Moon Level Ultrathotep

 

[RM97]

Hey wait, I want to ask this. How tall is the tower in the island?

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Thousands of feet

 

[Qliphoth_Bacikal]

Fellas, its here:
High 6-C/Large Island Level Golden King & 5-C/Moon Level Ultrathotep

Moon level

Man, considering Rosenkreuz hates Tick Tock Man whose also called the "Moon King", this is oddly fitting in a weird way owo

 

[Qliphoth_Bacikal]

By the way, I'm gonna have to shift up my project plans back for a bit.

I got another TL project (unrelated to WAB, btw) that I have to do so the other short story stuff I mentioned won't be out for some time.

TBF, I did do quite a bit. Sharnoth got their mini stories, Sona Nyl's got major side stories like the Engine Dictionary one and ofc anyone here that got Refrain you guys got the WN and Eyes of Hypnos story too so that's plenty enough as is, and another I did for Sona Nyl that's kinda a spin off I think? That's enough out of that owo.

So I'll be finishing up Gahkthun Novel Anthology book like...probably by the end of this week? Been really motivated somehow to just finish it off but yeah, I won't have anything else for it the series cuz a bunch of stuff I'm putting myself to do xD

 

[RM97]

Thousands of feet

Hold up fellas, I am not done cooking then. This will buff the calc even further given only Land Elevation was used but not the structures above. And considering GK was hovering in the sky and would one-shot the entire island, the tower would also fall within the range.

 

[RM97]

Updated Calc
Low 6-B or Small Country level Golden King
5-C or Moon Level Ultrathotep
Ultrathotep is also 5x above baseline Moon Level

 

[Qliphoth_Bacikal]

@RM97 Do what you do, friend. I got stories that need TL'ing owo.

Btw, I think this might also be interesting of note...or maybe not. It's something related to the Tower of d'If, specifically its underground part? Apparently we got some structures that tell us just a little bit about the island and its other structural parts.

Spoiler

The Island of d'If became a huge man-made island after its surroundings were reclaimed. The deepest part of the old island had dome-shaped ceilings and walls that were approximately 30 meters high, covered in solid rock, and had basalt pillars standing here and there on the surface of the water where seawater enters, creating a landscape that resembles an underwater lake.

Source, Gahkthun Novel Anthology, Crimson Prelude

I think it's minor, but at least some stuff we got in learning what else is there about the island.

 

[RM97]

@RM97 Do what you do, friend. I got stories that need TL'ing owo.

Btw, I think this might also be interesting of note...or maybe not. It's something related to the Tower of d'If, specifically its underground part? Apparently we got some structures that tell us just a little bit about the island and its other structural parts.

Spoiler

The Island of d'If became a huge man-made island after its surroundings were reclaimed. The deepest part of the old island had dome-shaped ceilings and walls that were approximately 30 meters high, covered in solid rock, and had basalt pillars standing here and there on the surface of the water where seawater enters, creating a landscape that resembles an underwater lake.

Source, Gahkthun Novel Anthology, Crimson Prelude

I think it's minor, but at least some stuff we got in learning what else is there about the island.

No worries. This is cool info but doesn't help with my calc as I have added the Land Elevation of Marseille and the Large Tower above which gives like 929.6 meters at least height range for GK's glare.

 

[Qliphoth_Bacikal]

Figures. I did find out this story revealed about some submarine of sorts (the Nautilius, a Captain Nemo story reference owo) but we're not getting any sort of details on its size other than "vaguely long", and it was mostly submerged anyway so nothing of value is added even if there was.

...Speaking of, I really think I blanked out here and there on some of these stuff cuz I don't remember some bits I wrote of the story. Now I have to be careful and make sure I don't miss anything for now on xD

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Finished editing Mary, and Charlie, now there is just M left, will get to him on the weekend.

@RM97 I assume the GK calc is done now? If so post it in the calc eval thread, would be a priority 2 i think.

I have 5 more days before i can bump my meta=critter calc...

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Got to be kidding me how many times is this calc gonna need to be changed lol, whelp here we go again, just started chapter 2, and look what i found

Edit: And just after i posted this we got a whole explanation about there being 2 different types of trams

From what i gather the scan i posted before was about a district tram, those connect areas more directly, added with the quick loop statement seems like you can go around the island in 40 minutes via the more direct path, or a little over an hour via the indirect path, which i assume are the pedestrian areas, so nothing about the calc changes i guess.

 

[RM97]

Finished editing Mary, and Charlie, now there is just M left, will get to him on the weekend.

@RM97 I assume the GK calc is done now? If so post it in the calc eval thread, would be a priority 2 i think.

I have 5 more days before i can bump my meta=critter calc...

Can you post it please? It'd help because you're an admin and thus it'll get noticed faster. I'll ask KLOL offsite for evaluation.

 

[RM97]

Got to be kidding me how many times is this calc gonna need to be changed lol, whelp here we go again, just started chapter 2, and look what i found

Edit: And just after i posted this we got a whole explanation about there being 2 different types of trams

From what i gather the scan i posted before was about a district tram, those connect areas more directly, added with the quick loop statement seems like you can go around the island in 40 minutes via the more direct path, or a little over an hour via the indirect path, which i assume are the pedestrian areas, so nothing about the calc changes i guess.

Well in that case, let's finish the VN first and then post the calc in the thread. That way we can make any final changes.

 

[Qliphoth_Bacikal]

Jesus christ, you guys lol.

Yeah @RM97 is right.

Maybe get all of this stuff over time and then compile it up once done. Maybe like in an imgur gallery or something, IDK.

But jeez tho xD

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Can you post it please? It'd help because you're an admin and thus it'll get noticed faster. I'll ask KLOL offsite for evaluation.

Here, i posted it in the eval thread 9 days ago.

That was my attempt at it, open to ideas, wasn't too sure how to go about Black Dog splitting buildings for example.

Won't be able to change anything till probably the weekend though.

 

[RM97]

Btw @Celestial_Pegasus , if I'm correctly understanding this, there's 2 types of trams and their pathways which is given in the map too where there's a smaller loop tramway path and the bigger loop suspension bridge tramway path encircling the island.

So, given the scans posted so far, district trams take 20 mins to make a half loop as it connects the educational district which is inside the island and thus, the inland loop. Therefore, 40 mins for looping the inland pedestrian areas. However it takes a bit over an hour circling the outer loop which encircles the island. Correct?

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Yea, I think so.

 

[RM97]

Yea, I think so.

In that case, I'll have to update the calc again. The cooking isn't stopping anytime soon.