Star Wars Legends Cosmology Revision (Episode II: Attack of the 1-A God-Tiers)

[coolgohan09]

Anakin has nothing to do with the Jedi you mentioned. Anakin achieving Oneness like Jacen in no way affects the Jedi you’re talking about. Where did you come up with this nonsense?

What? Anakins oneness fell under a jedi connecting to the force. What do you mean its simple Jacen just achieved a greater form of oneness when has Anakin had this pure force energy statement.

 

[LordVader30]

If he reached deeper, the main material shouldn't say that they did the exact same thing. That's a contradiction

Also, if you're arguing Jacen/Anakin both achieve Tier 0 levels, one being stronger than the other is a contradiction.

Anakin can be considered separately because it is written that both of them experienced Oneness in the same way.

 

[coolgohan09]

If he reached deeper, the main material shouldn't say that they did the exact same thing. That's a contradiction

Also, if you're arguing Jacen/Anakin both achieve Tier 0 levels, one being stronger than the other is a contradiction.

What do you mean?, Reaching into oneness is what I mean. Jacen has statements of being like a near god-like entity of pure force energy. I didn't say Anakin and Jacen should be in the same tier.

 

[LordVader30]

What? Anakins oneness fell under a jedi connecting to the force. What do you mean its simple Jacen just achieved a greater form of oneness when has Anakin had this pure force energy statement.

That never happened. In the place where it was mentioned for Anakin, Jacen was already in a state of Oneness and didn’t experience any kind of increase afterward. There’s nothing to confirm such a thing either.

 

[coolgohan09]

Anakin can be considered separately because it is written that both of them experienced Oneness in the same way.

When has Anakin showed This level of oneness, IT just meant both Anakin, Jacen and the jedi of order submitted one to the force

All that had been required of Jacen was complete surrender—a technique once mastered by the Jedi Order but at some point misplaced; transposed to an emphasis on individual achievement, which had opened a way to arrogance.

Their just talking about how to achieve oneness.

 

[LordVader30]

When has Anakin showed This level of oneness, IT just meant both Anakin, Jacen and the jedi of order submitted one to the force

Their just talking about how to achieve oneness.

Anakin already reached this level of Oneness, and being equated with Jacen confirms this. However, nothing supports what you’re saying, and the text you referred to doesn’t even explicitly mention Oneness. LoL.

 

[coolgohan09]

Anakin already reached this level of Oneness, and being equated with Jacen confirms this. However, nothing supports what you’re saying, and the text you referred to doesn’t even explicitly mention Oneness. LoL.

The text is literally in the same story, he's saying this in a position of oneness what do you mean it doesn't mention it?????. INFACT ITS RIGHT After the quote. Your missing the full context.

He had attained the ability to cut through any resistance in himself; to sever the bonds of preconception; to open a gaping hole into a reality more expansive than any he had ever dared imagine; to heal. As his grandfather had done, he had broken through the apparent opposites that concealed the absolute nature of the Force, and found his way into an unseen unity that existed beyond the seeming separateness of the world. For a moment all the cosmic tumblers had clicked into place, and light and dark sides became something he could balance within himself, without having to remain on one side or the other. The consciousness that was Jacen Solo was strewn across the vast spectrum of life energy. He had passed beyond choice and consequence, good and evil, light and dark, life and death.

All that had been required of Jacen was complete surrender—a technique once mastered by the Jedi Order but at some point misplaced; transposed to an emphasis on individual achievement, which had opened a way to arrogance.

He has surrendered himself to the force/Oneness. But what proves that he gained such a level, You know how many problems this would cause in Sw if omnipotent beings existed before like this. He talked how about Anakin had done this ability which was done in the Jedi order. By the way with the full context this just seems like a technique made by the order of jedi aka being 1 with the force. And that Jacen reached the greatest connection to it in Jedi history.

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[LordVader30]

The text is literally in the same story, he's saying this in a position of oneness what do you mean it doesn't mention it?????. INFACT ITS RIGHT After the quote. Your missing the full context.

He has surrendered himself to the force/Oneness. But what proves that he gained such a level, You know how many problems this would cause in Sw if omnipotent beings existed before like this. He talked how about Anakin had done this ability which was done in the Jedi order. By the way with the full context this just seems like a technique made by the order of jedi aka being 1 with the force. And that Jacen reached the greatest connection to it in Jedi history.

Jedi vs. Sith: The Essential Guide to the Force (real-life book)

Jedi vs. Sith: The Essential Guide to the Force is an entry in the Essential Guide series of books, covering aspects of the Force. It is written by Ryder Windham and was released on November 27, 2007. It was the first Essential Guide to contain original material (as opposed to a revised and...

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You can see the full context if you have the pdf of the story

This doesn’t actually affect Anakin in any way, nor does it diminish him. The only point being made here is that, unlike others in the Jedi Order, Jacen achieved complete surrender. If Anakin were to be lumped in with the Jedi Order members, he wouldn’t have been singled out as "his grandfather" in the first place. I don’t think it’s that hard to understand. I still see nothing that makes Oneness Jacen > Oneness Anakin.On the contrary, I see Jacen and Anakin being treated separately. As I said, Anakin and Jacen are placed in a different category here, having reached the Oneness level in a way that other Jedi could not.

 

[StoneKillerz12]

Yeah but the context is that being 1 to 1 with the force, he states this was a technique(being one with the force), also he states the same for the old jedi order, should we give them 1-A they get the exact same praise as anakin did.

Characters who scale to Oneness in it's entirety get High 1-A+, due to being all of the power of a Tier 0 character being enacted in the Tier 0's reality, and The Force itself is Tier 0.

 

[coolgohan09]

This doesn’t actually affect Anakin in any way, nor does it diminish him. The only point being made here is that, unlike others in the Jedi Order, Jacen achieved complete surrender. If Anakin were to be lumped in with the Jedi Order members, he wouldn’t have been singled out as "his grandfather" in the first place. I don’t think it’s that hard to understand. I still see nothing that makes Oneness Jacen > Oneness Anakin.On the contrary, I see Jacen and Anakin being treated separately. As I said, Anakin and Jacen are placed in a different category here, having reached the Oneness level in a way that other Jedi could not.

His "Total" oneness was when he died in Rotj this novel was written in 2003 btw. He mentioned Anakin because he is the most famous example of doing it. Also, you're acting like the Old Jedi order statement isn't almost the exact same as Anakin, Jacen just says he did what the Old Jedi surrendering into the force. That has the same meaning as the Anakin one, Anakin not being lumped doesn't mean it is completely different. Also, how does the statement not affect him, When it says deepest in jedi history lol.

 

[coolgohan09]

Wait i realized Anakins spirit empowers him, Also he says his grandfathers because he just saw him being a force ghost saying "Stand firm"

 

[StoneKillerz12]

If he reached deeper, the main material shouldn't say that they did the exact same thing. That's a contradiction

Also, if you're arguing Jacen/Anakin both achieve Tier 0 levels, one being stronger than the other is a contradiction.

I feel like Oneness would be High 1-A+ rather than Tier 0, as The Force's true nature exceeds the entirety of the cosmology and all of it's differentiations. Oneness would just be The Force enacting freely throughout it's reality, which is High 1-A+ by default according to Ultima. Only The Force itself will be Tier 0, since you can't have multiple Tier 0s in a verse anymore.

 

[coolgohan09]

I feel like Oneness would be High 1-A+ rather than Tier 0, as The Force's true nature exceeds the entirety of the cosmology and all of it's differentiations. Oneness would just be The Force enacting freely throughout it's reality, which is High 1-A+ by default according to Ultima. Only The Force itself will be Tier 0, since you can't have multiple Tier 0s in a verse anymore.

Fair, How about beings who scale to the entirety of the force? but are you gonna put all oneness in the same tier

 

[StoneKillerz12]

Fair, How about beings who scale to the entirety of the force? but are you gonna put all oneness in the same tier

Nobody scales to the entirety of The Force, as that's Tier 0. The entirety of The Force in reality itself is High 1-A+, and all characters in a state of Oneness with it would be High 1-A+.

 

[LordVader30]

His "Total" oneness was when he died in Rotj this novel was written in 2003 btw. He mentioned Anakin because he is the most famous example of doing it. Also, you're acting like the Old Jedi order statement isn't almost the exact same as Anakin, Jacen just says he did what the Old Jedi surrendering into the force. That has the same meaning as the Anakin one, Anakin not being lumped doesn't mean it is completely different. Also, how does the statement not affect him, When it says deepest in jedi history lol.

Why is this so hard to understand? It’s a very simple explanation. Anakin and Jacen are placed in a separate category at the beginning of the panel. If Jacen and Anakin were also to be separated, it wouldn’t have mentioned “his grandfather” at the start. Then, it confirms that Jacen is superior to the Jedi, stating that what he needed to do was to completely surrender, but he’s already doing that. Jacen doesn’t go through Oneness and then elevate that level of Oneness. It’s merely explaining what already exists.

If the Jedi and Anakin were in the same category, the panel would have said something like this: Jacen, like the Jedi, completely united with the Force. Afterward, it would’ve added: Unlike the Jedi, what he needed to do was to completely surrender. Instead, it equates his current Oneness level to Anakin’s and then states that he surpassed all previous Oneness levels by fully surrendering, unlike the Jedi. Why is this so difficult to grasp?

 

[coolgohan09]

Why is this so hard to understand? It’s a very simple explanation. Anakin and Jacen are placed in a separate category at the beginning of the panel. If Jacen and Anakin were also to be separated, it wouldn’t have mentioned “his grandfather” at the start. Then, it confirms that Jacen is superior to the Jedi, stating that what he needed to do was to completely surrender, but he’s already doing that. Jacen doesn’t go through Oneness and then elevate that level of Oneness. It’s merely explaining what already exists.

If the Jedi and Anakin were in the same category, the panel would have said something like this: Jacen, like the Jedi, completely united with the Force. Afterward, it would’ve added: Unlike the Jedi, what he needed to do was to completely surrender. Instead, it equates his current Oneness level to Anakin’s and then states that he surpassed all previous Oneness levels by fully surrendering, unlike the Jedi. Why is this so difficult to grasp?

He mentions him BECAUSE HE Talked to him 5 seconds ago Anakin empowered him kinda like rey. They just mention him because Anakin becomes one with the force(Force ghost) and talks to Jacen. Also, Lmao it says that basically in the picture I posted says every jedi who connected to the force. Anakin legit talks to him and then Jacen achieves oneness, Also him mentioning Anakin 1st just cuz he talked to him 0.5 seconds ago and empowered him doesn't mean The Unifying force confirms anakin is equal to him.
Fulll context

Jacen realized that he was about to engage in a battle that would be decided not by knowledge of the Force, so much as fealty to its will. This was not a duel, but a relinquishment.

Once more he heard the voice of the vision he had had on Duro: Stand firm . . .

His heart told him that it was the voice of his grandfather, Anakin Skywalker.

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On the bridge of the vessel whose every component answered to him, Onimi sent a blur of objects racing for Jacen, beginning with the carved idols that flanked Jaina: cloaked Yun-Harla, many-armed Yun-Yammka, thousand-eyed Yun-Shuno, and the rest. But Jacen stood firm. Not wanting to risk hurting Jaina inadvertently by deflecting the objects, he pulled everything into a whirling cloud, as if in orbit around him. Beyond the cloud, he was dimly aware that a transparency had formed above the console, and that constellations of stars were winking into existence, smeared in places by the explosive exchanges among the hundreds of warships battling at the edge of Coruscant's envelope.

Jacen's steadfast defense infuriated Onimi. Reaching deeper into himself, the Supreme Overlord used his telekinetic powers to create cracks in the bulkheads and ceiling, hoping to add chunks of unrooted yorik coral to his conjured storm. But as fast as the fissures formed, Jacen repaired them, and those chunks that were torn away he ordered the vessel to cement in place.

Mismatched eyes opened wide in disbelief, Onimi charged, his feet moving so rapidly that he might have been gliding across the deck.

Though crippled by the deformations that had resulted from poorly healed enhancement surgeries and the consequences of experimental escalations, the former shaper was still taller than Jacen and pound for pound more powerful. But the struggle had nothing to do with size and less to do with brute strength. Onimi's true potency lay in his abilities to amplify the electric current that flowed through his body, or—like Vergere—to call on his refined metabolism to fashion molecules and compounds, and deliver them through his curving yellow fingernails, his single fang, his blood, sweat, saliva, and breath. But where Vergere had learned to produce emollients and healing tears, Onimi was capable of producing a brew of fast-acting and deadly toxins. Compared to the former shaper's master of Yuuzhan Vong bioscience, Vergere had been a mere adept.

He flew at Jacen with hands upraised and mouth ajar. Jacen lifted his hands in defense and he and Onimi met with blinding discharges of electrical energy that entangled both of them in a flashing web. Their hands interlocked, they whirled from one side of the bridge to the other in a kind of mad pirouette, caroming off the coarse bulkheads and smooth instrumentation. Jaina sent her twin what reinforcement she could summon, but he told her to conserve her strength.

The transmutated secretions from Onimi's palms and fingertips sent hallucinogens through Jacen's skin and capillaries, and coursing through his bloodstream. Onimi's paralyzing fang struck repeatedly for Jacen's temples and neck. Poison wafted on his forced sighs and rode within the droplets of his frothing saliva.

But the Jacen that the Supreme Overlord had in his taloned grip was not there. Where once Jacen had been unable to find Onimi through the Force, now it was Onimi who couldn't find Jacen. What he found instead was formless, supple, and fathomless—an infinite emptiness, but as serene as a wind toppling tress to encourage new growth.

A being of light, Jacen was drawing into himself all of Onimi's lethal compounds, neutralizing them and casting them out as sweat, tears, and exhalations.

He understood at last why he had failed to catch Anakin's lightsaber when Luke had tossed it to him: he was never meant to catch it, because he had become the lightsaber.

He had attained the ability to cut through any resistance in himself; to sever the bonds of preconception; to open a gaping hole into a reality more expansive than any he had ever dared imagine; to heal. As his grandfather had done, he had broken through the apparent opposites that concealed the absolute nature of the Force, and found his way into an unseen unity that existed beyond the seeming separateness of the world. For a moment all the cosmic tumblers had clicked into place, and light and dark sides became something he could balance within himself, without having to remain on one side or the other. The consciousness that was Jacen Solo was strewn across the vast spectrum of life energy. He had passed beyond choice and consequence, good and evil, light and dark, life and death.

All that had been required of Jacen was complete surrender—a technique once mastered by the Jedi Order but at some point misplaced; transposed to an emphasis on individual achievement, which had opened a way to arrogance.

In that the path was available to any who chose to seek and follow it, Jacen understood that the discovery was really a rediscovery. Indeed, the ur-Yuuzhan Vong had adhered to it when they had lived in symbiosis with Yuuzhan'tar. In that dim protohistorical time, they had been group-minded, living in a world where the boundaries between self and other were permeable. By cutting that bond they had isolated themselves from the force. They had deluded themselves into thinking that they were worshiping life, when in fact they were worshiping the only route to symbiosis left open to them, which was death.

Jacen realized that, in a sense, he had paraphrased Onimi. He had passed beyond the tradition of the Jedi Order into a more embracing reality. But instead of attempting to steal the authority of the gods, or to become a god, he had finally allowed himself to merge with the Force in its entirety and become a conduit for its raw power, which flowed through him like the thundering headwaters of a great river. The conjoining of the Force and his Vongsense enabled him to render himself small enough to follow Onimi wherever he went or attempted to hide; to counter Onimi's every action, and merge with his living vessel on a molecular level.

Jacen ended their spinning, bringing them to a halt in the center of the bridge, where he continued to parry Onimi's strikes. The Supreme Overlord's lolling eye fixed him with a gimlet stare.

Gradually Onimi began to understand, as well. He grasped that Jacen wasn't defending himself so much as using Onimi's own strengths against him. Jacen was fighting without fighting; drawing Onimi deeper into the struggle by demanding more of Onimi's indigenous toxins, to the point that he couldn't keep up. Jacen was the vacuum, the dovin basal singularity into which Onimi was being sucked. Jacen had become the dismantling void that was drawing Onimi into a slender thread, attenuating him to the point of infinite smallness.

Onimi's self-deformed face began to change. His arteries pulsed and his veins bulged from beneath his pale skin.

Onimi fought with everything that remained in him, but Jacen could not be overwhelmed. As a pure conduit of the Force, he was incapable of taking missteps or making wrong moves. He stood not at the edge of the tilting ecliptic of his vision, but at the center, as a fulcrum. The weight that would disturb the balance was Onimi, but to Jacen, that weight was no longer of sufficient mass to make a difference.

The Force encased Jacen like a whirlwind, moving deep into the darkness the Yuuzhan Vong had brought to the galaxy, and gathering it and sending it up the spout into the funnel cloud, where it was transformed and dispersed.

Onimi was becoming more insubstantial by the moment.

Jacen continued to stand firm, righting the world.

He had become so powerful as to be dangerous to his own galaxy, for he could see clearly the temptations of the dark side and the desire to force one's will on others—to so completely dominate that all life would kowtow to him.

He purged his mind of all pride and evil intent and entered a moment of unadulterated bliss, where he seemed to have unlocked the very secrets of existence.

He knew that he would never again be able to reach this exalted state, and at once that he would spend the rest of his life trying.

I mean his oneness is special Anakins force ghost affects him. Him being mentioned 1st doesn't mean anything considering that they just talked and everything else.

 

[LordVader30]

He mentions him BECAUSE HE Talked to him 5 seconds ago Anakin empowered him kinda like rey. They just mention him because Anakin becomes one with the force(Force ghost) and talks to Jacen. Also, Lmao it says that basically in the picture I posted says every jedi who connected to the force. Anakin legit talks to him and then Jacen achieves oneness, Also him mentioning Anakin 1st just cuz he talked to him 0.5 seconds ago and empowered him doesn't mean The Unifying force confirms anakin is equal to him.
Fulll context

I mean his oneness is special Anakins force ghost affects him. Him being mentioned 1st doesn't mean anything considering that they just talked and everything else.

Bro, are you messing with me? Nothing you’ve posted disproves what I’m saying. Also, the fact that it mentions Anakin doesn’t mean Jacen reached a superior Oneness form compared to him, lmao. What I’m saying still stands: Anakin and Jacen are placed in a separate category, apart from the Oneness achieved by the old Jedi. There’s nothing here showing that Jacen achieved a superior or different form of Oneness compared to Anakin. LoL.

 

[coolgohan09]

Bro, are you messing with me? Nothing you’ve posted disproves what I’m saying. Also, the fact that it mentions Anakin doesn’t mean Jacen reached a superior Oneness form compared to him, lmao. What I’m saying still stands: Anakin and Jacen are placed in a separate category, apart from the Oneness achieved by the old Jedi. There’s nothing here showing that Jacen achieved a superior or different form of Oneness compared to Anakin. LoL.

Bro No offense I dont see how Anakin being mentioned 1st makes him on the same tier (Due to him being a force ghost talking with Jacen being empowered by him) when We see his oneness stuff throughout the series and it is not comparable to Jacen Hell not even De Lukes oneness. Maybe mortis anakin can be comparable but the thing is, we don't see that since it's after 2003, The only instance I see them mentioning is Rotj oneness. Besides Anakin was only mentioned because he was 1 with the force as A force ghost talking to the characters, how is he in the same tier. Nothing suggests his oneness is like Breaking through reality and etc. Did you not see the 2 scans
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Did you manage to see these statements.

 

[LordVader30]

Bro No offense I dont see how Anakin being mentioned 1st makes him on the same tier (Due to him being a force ghost talking with Jacen being empowered by him) when We see his oneness stuff throughout the series and it is not comparable to Jacen Hell not even De Lukes oneness. Maybe mortis anakin can be comparable but the thing is, we don't see that since it's after 2003, The only instance I see them mentioning is Rotj oneness. Besides Anakin was only mentioned because he was 1 with the force as A force ghost talking to the characters, how is he in the same tier. Nothing suggests his oneness is like Breaking through reality and etc. Did you not see the 2 scans
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Did you manage to see these statements.

First of all, Mortis Anakin wasn’t in his Oneness form, and neither was he in ROTJ, LoL. What nonsense are you spouting? Are you messing with me? Secondly, why are you having such a hard time understanding this? There’s NOTHING separating Anakin and Jacen here, don’t you get it? Why would Anakin and Jacen be placed in separate categories? It’s already explicitly stated that Anakin and Jacen achieved the same level of Oneness. And yes, those panels, LoL—same applies to the first. It’s very clearly stated that Anakin reached the exact same Oneness form as Jacen. The second panel doesn’t even suggest Jacen > Anakin at all, . Are you joking with me? And yes, I’ll say it again: Anakin and Jacen are put in the same category, and I’ve already explained the reasoning above.

 

[coolgohan09]

First of all, Mortis Anakin wasn’t in his Oneness form, and neither was he in ROTJ, LoL. What nonsense are you spouting? Are you messing with me? Secondly, why are you having such a hard time understanding this? There’s NOTHING separating Anakin and Jacen here, don’t you get it? Why would Anakin and Jacen be placed in separate categories? It’s already explicitly stated that Anakin and Jacen achieved the same level of Oneness. And yes, those panels, LoL—same applies to the first. It’s very clearly stated that Anakin reached the exact same Oneness form as Jacen. The second panel doesn’t even suggest Jacen > Anakin at all, . Are you joking with me? And yes, I’ll say it again: Anakin and Jacen are put in the same category, and I’ve already explained the reasoning above.

Uhh, then what the **** is his oneness form???? this is in 2003, when did he connect to the force so greatly he reached this level? Hmmmm why didn't Anakin receive the same effects as Jacen, No, pure dazzling luminous beings, and not aging 5 years like Jacen at all if they achieved the same oneness?. "As his grandfather done" 1st This was the beginning where Jacen was just transforming into oneness. He just realized he had become one with the force, it's just saying he finally became 1 with the force like his grandfather did. Also, your proof was just putting an out-of-context quote lol and him mentioning his dear Grandfather first, AGAIN ANAKIN force ghost called out to him. Dude I don't get it clearly if you read everything and think this is in the 2000's James Luceno is one of the few Star wars writers who have good knowledge of sw, Why would he just change the canon by putting Anakin Achived this state of being aging 5 years, etc When it never happened at all. Anakin force ghost and force light are all described as being one with the force, Anakin being a luminous being didn't even at all happen, this the only instance you can think of when Jacen mentions Anakin one with the force, when Anakin appears always one with the force as a force ghost in this era of Star wars. You are really stretching it saying Anakin did everything like Jacen just because he mentioned him 1st while going into an early state. Your reaching something that's super contradicted with your just vague assumptions. The 1st panel clearly says he reached the deepest connection a Jedi did.

 

[LordVader30]

Uhh, then what the **** is his oneness form???? this is in 2003, when did he connect to the force so greatly he reached this level? Hmmmm why didn't Anakin receive the same effects as Jacen, No, pure dazzling luminous beings, and not aging 5 years like Jacen at all if they achieved the same oneness?. "As his grandfather done" 1st This was the beginning where Jacen was just transforming into oneness. He just realized he had become one with the force, it's just saying he finally became 1 with the force like his grandfather did. Also, your proof was just putting an out-of-context quote lol and him mentioning his dear Grandfather first, AGAIN ANAKIN force ghost called out to him. Dude I don't get it clearly if you read everything and think this is in the 2000's James Luceno is one of the few Star wars writers who have good knowledge of sw, Why would he just change the canon by putting Anakin Achived this state of being aging 5 years, etc When it never happened at all. Anakin force ghost and force light are all described as being one with the force, Anakin being a luminous being didn't even at all happen, this the only instance you can think of when Jacen mentions Anakin one with the force, when Anakin appears always one with the force as a force ghost in this era of Star wars. You are really stretching it saying Anakin did everything like Jacen just because he mentioned him 1st while going into an early state. Your reaching something that's super contradicted with your just vague assumptions. The 1st panel clearly says he reached the deepest connection a Jedi did.

Bro, do you seriously think what you're saying disproves what I said? LOL. I only shared that panel to show that Anakin reached a similar level of Oneness. It's clear that Anakin achieved this level of unity, and what are you even talking about? ANAKIN TALKING TO JACEN DOESN'T MAKE JACEN SUPERIOR, DO YOU UNDERSTAND? It's very clear that the Jedi and Anakin are being considered separately. Why is this so hard for you to grasp? If I were talking to a random person, they'd have understood what I said by now, but you're claiming Jacen's unity state is superior to Anakin's just because they spoke to each other a few seconds prior.

 

[LordVader30]

Anyway, I won’t drag this topic on any further. Let others review our arguments and decide who’s right, because it’s very clear that we won’t reach an agreement.

 

[coolgohan09]

Anyway, I won’t drag this topic on any further. Let others review our arguments and decide who’s right, because it’s very clear that we won’t reach an agreement.

We seem like two dogs barking at each other LMAO, but I will say something most people in sw Eu agree upon that anakin quote can take a lot of interpretations.

 

[coolgohan09]

Bro, do you seriously think what you're saying disproves what I said? LOL. I only shared that panel to show that Anakin reached a similar level of Oneness. It's clear that Anakin achieved this level of unity, and what are you even talking about? ANAKIN TALKING TO JACEN DOESN'T MAKE JACEN SUPERIOR, DO YOU UNDERSTAND? It's very clear that the Jedi and Anakin are being considered separately. Why is this so hard for you to grasp? If I were talking to a random person, they'd have understood what I said by now, but you're claiming Jacen's unity state is superior to Anakin's just because they spoke to each other a few seconds prior.

Nuh uh cuz i said so your wrong
But in all honesty, That quote is pretty vague with you can argue a lot about it, I'm not here to argue no more but, I am claiming Jacens is superior because Anakin never showed off something in legends to support this, and because of the statement. Also I'm saying, That Jacen is just talking about the Force ghost Anakin. Some guy in reddit asked Sw eu experts and even they said this is vague and the one with the force could mean a lot of things.

 

[LordVader30]

We seem like two dogs barking at each other LMAO

LoL

 

[Robo432343]

guys does luke scale to the 1-A thing or not

 

[coolgohan09]

guys does luke scale to the 1-A thing or not

I think Only that oneness state when he fought with Abeloth and the beyond shadows thing, Mortal normal Luke doesn't scale to 1-A

 

[LordVader30]

Nuh uh cuz i said so your wrong
But in all honesty, That quote is pretty vague with you can argue a lot about it, I'm not here to argue no more but, I am claiming Jacens is superior because Anakin never showed off something in legends to support this, and because of the statement. Also I'm saying, That Jacen is just talking about the Force ghost Anakin. Some guy in reddit asked Sw eu experts and even they said this is vague and the one with the force could mean a lot of things.

Yes, it’s definitely open to debate (just like what we’re doing now). It’s impossible to say anything definitive. The best course is to wait for others’ opinions, as we’re just repeating the same points over and over. The only thing I can say is this: yes, Anakin didn’t do much to support this, but even Legends wasn’t fully explored. For example, when Legends ended, the Crucible book wasn’t even finished, etc. So what I mean is that it’s possible it happened during an unaddressed period or in a way we haven’t heard of.

 

[LordVader30]

guys does luke scale to the 1-A thing or not

Krayt also dealt damage to Abeloth, and Luke managed to harm Abeloth even before achieving Oneness, so I believe he should scale accordingly.

 

[coolgohan09]

Krayt also dealt damage to Abeloth, and Luke managed to harm Abeloth even before achieving Oneness, so I believe he should scale accordingly.

There is some problems, Isnt abeloth like nerfed to oblivion and their fighting in a special place too.

 

[coolgohan09]

Yes, it’s definitely open to debate (just like what we’re doing now). It’s impossible to say anything definitive. The best course is to wait for others’ opinions, as we’re just repeating the same points over and over. The only thing I can say is this: yes, Anakin didn’t do much to support this, but even Legends wasn’t fully explored. For example, when Legends ended, the Crucible book wasn’t even finished, etc. So what I mean is that it’s possible it happened during an unaddressed period or in a way we haven’t heard of.

Well, To be honest i doubt legends had any story for Anakin in general due to the fact troy denning was going to do Jaina story after crucible. And more importantly, TCW was doing the Anakin stuff. But who knows legends was ended abruptly.

 

[LordVader30]

There is some problems, Isnt abeloth like nerfed to oblivion and their fighting in a special place too.

Actually, I’m not entirely sure. There are rumors that Abeloth was weakened, and if that’s true, he might not scale. However, I’m not sure if he scales from Beyond Shadows either.

The only thing I can say is that Krayt and Luke might scale from Abeloth in that battle.

 

[coolgohan09]

Actually, I’m not entirely sure. There are rumors that Abeloth was weakened, and if that’s true, he might not scale. However, I’m not sure if he scales from Beyond Shadows either.

The only thing I can say is that Krayt and Luke might scale from Abeloth in that battle.

By the way if i remember correctly a weakened abeloth was stated be a dozen times stronger then luke in the force. We should probably ask stonekiller, But a normal luke is clearly shown to be much weaker then a full power abeloth

 

[LordVader30]

It was no good. Abeloth had a dozen times the Force strength Luke had, and he could do no more than keep her from crushing his throat.

Fate of the Jedi: Vortex

"Abeloth." Luke repressed a sigh. "She's here. Somewhere. Experimenting. Using the Force with greater strength than I ever did, certainly."

Fate of the Jedi: Conviction

These are the things I’ve found.

 

[LordVader30]

I’m not sure if it makes a difference, but these are not the final books. I remember the last battle taking place in Apocalypse, so Luke might have grown even stronger during this period, but how much it affects things is unclear.

 

[coolgohan09]

I’m not sure if it makes a difference, but these are not the final books. I remember the last battle taking place in Apocalypse, so Luke might have grown even stronger during this period, but how much it affects things is unclear.

i heard crucible luke and leia grew like mad op and gained some golden force power, I have not read it all but I do hear Luke was op in that book

 

[coolgohan09]

"Luke charged across the desert forever, Leia at his side. They had opened themselves to the Force completely, and it was pouring into them from all sides, raw and potent and unformed, neither dark nor light until it entered them and they made it so. It devoured them as it sustained them, filled them with a boiling storm of power their bodies could not long sustain."

"The Columi’s hands quickly fluttered up and hurled the boulder back toward him. By then Luke was overflowing with the Force. He felt as if he were burning from the inside out, being incinerated by the raw power flowing into him and through him."

"The two Jedi had become golden balls of lightning, dancing back and forth between the rumbling darkness of the two Qreph brothers. The fight became a battle, the battle a war, and the war a conflagration—an endless storm of thunder and blood that raged across the yellow desert for all eternity. "

"A second passed, or perhaps it was an eternity, then a pair of golden figures emerged from the smoke, so dazzling it hurt Han’s eyes to look at them. He stared anyway. They were Luke and Leia, healed by the Force and looking stronger—and more powerful—than ever. "

Leia1-A

 

[LordVader30]

Maybe not base Luke, but amp Luke could potentially be 1-A.

 

[LordVader30]

Leia1-A

 

[LordVader30]

I’ve been thinking about asking this for a long time, and now I will: What is the power of the Star Forge? It was mentioned to possess infinite power.