I mean it says he merged with the entirety of the force and then gained Nigh omniscience, and like 5 statements about being the most powerful force thing and etc. IN the novel it says he did what his Grandfather did and the old jedi did, To be honest I feel like in the context he means being one with force I don't think they went into that true totality with the force as jacen did. So like a lower form of oneness
I think jacen's main self will be 0 in oneness form, but do you think onimi will be affected?
It is stated that Anakin/Vader went through a complete oneness, just like Jacen. So I think it should be scaled at the same tier
Yeah but i feel like only Jacen Solos oneness could scale to the force like come on, being stated to be a pure conduit of raw force being beyond all the concepts of good/light and etc, probably could be higher then luke oneness. Btw how about luke and leia in crucible
No, onimi died instantly he literally got atomized, only thing you can say that Narritavley he needed a threat beyond Luke to beat him
Yeah, but it just seems that he connected to the force too and he had the chosen one spirit amped and he stated he could never ever achieve this state again. This is probably a 1 time thing. Being stated in-universe (Btw the information should still be correct the author irl cant put misinfo in the book) to be the most powerful manifestation of the force
so where do you think it should be scaled?
Beyond gm luke. he controlled the same guy who gave a good fight to luke, and considered him a puppet he was fueled by every vong too.
seems to make sense
First, I have never seen anything stating it was a one-time occurrence, especially since Anakin achieves Oneness multiple times. Second, Jacen also experienced Oneness once—how would that even create an anti-feat? Personally, I believe Anakin has fully achieved Oneness.
No im talking about Oneness Jacen, it was clearly stated he could never reach such a level. Yeah, I never said it was an anti feat I don't believe onimi scales at all to oneness jacen. Anakin reached oneness but not on the level Jacen did break through all of light and good. There is levels for oneness stuff, I'm just saying anakin didn't go into that pure totality with the force besides maybe mortis
It is stated that Anakin experienced Oneness in the same way as Jacen and became one with the Force. What makes you think otherwise? Anakin clearly achieves Oneness in the same way as Jacen.
As his grandfather had done, he had broken through the apparent opposites that concealed the absolute nature of the Force, and found his way into an unseen unity that existed beyond the seeming separateness of the world. For a moment all the cosmic tumblers had clicked into place, and light and dark sides became something he could balance within himself, without having to remain on one side or the other. The consciousness that was Jacen Solo was strewn across the vast spectrum of life energy. He had passed beyond choice and consequence, good and evil, light and dark, life and death.
yeah anakin experienced oneness, 1, Jacen Oneness was something special being the most powerful on record with the force. Like being 1 with force the jedi order and anakin did this ability but not in the same level. You think Anakin and multiple Jedi of the old could just achieve a level like this normally?
after what you said, I also think that onimi should be scaled to GM luke instead of scaling to FO jacen, but as Mr. lord vader said, it is stated that while jacen was oneness, he entered a state of oneness like his grandfather anakin skywalker, that is, he is one of the 2 people with full oneness and the other is jacen, in this case, both are comparable
Yes onimi should scale above gm Luke by a lot to be honest. But the point I'm saying no jedi ever reached Jacen's oneness, they just said anakin achieved it, and why would they make like 4 statements saying he is omnipotent and not mention anakin or someone else
I didn’t say that; I only stated that Anakin and Jacen should both be at this level because it is mentioned that they achieved Oneness in the same way. This is very clear, and it’s not exclusive to Jacen—it is said for both Anakin and Jacen because of this situation.
but when Jacen reached oneness, it was stated that he reached a state of oneness like his grandfather Anakin Skywalker.
I already argued in the previous CRT that only Jacen and Anakin should be at this level, but no one listened to me.
Yeah but the context is that being 1 to 1 with the force, he states this was a technique(being one with the force), also he states the same for the old jedi order, should we give them 1-A they get the exact same praise as anakin did.
jacen is still the most powerful force manifestation but anakinde is comparable to him
What no, Jacen says during or after the oneness this was an ability that was in the old jedi order, lost due to selfishness or something.Me personally I think their just talking about being 1 to with force.
I didn’t understand what you meant. What point are you trying to make?
Jacen reached a unique connection to the force. The anakin statement was just meant he finally had connected to the force like Anakin at first, then he merged entirely with pure force energy to be most powerful force manifestation.
No, I absolutely disagree. Jacen had already achieved Oneness, and he was compared to Anakin.
The point is Jacen achieved a 10x greater form of oneness. These statements just show Anakin achieved oneness but nothing on level purely. Btw you can see all my points here https://vsbattles.com/threads/star-...tack-of-the-1-a-god-tiers.174916/post-6882004
No, it was never stated like that. On the contrary, Anakin and Jacen were equated. You're just saying he gained unity, but it's very clear that Anakin and Jacen achieved the same level of unity. It's not hard to understand this.
Yep. This is an open and shut case.
How does this prove anakin was the most powerful force being on record. IT just says he submitted to the force. Guys oneness has different levels lol. But I think you have been ignoring that the fact Jacens oneness was the most powerful including anakins oneness sooo
As his grandfather just means they submitted to the force of the final battle he says the Jedi of order did the same ability submitting one to the force. If you scale anakin from that statement so should the jedi of the Order too, But Why would The author just randomly say oh yeah omnipotent Jedis have existed like this, when multiple statements contradicts that. I am saying this quote doesn't prove Anakins oneness is equal to Jacens he just achieved submitting 1 to 1 with the force like the old jedi
they clearly fall into the same type of oneness the only difference is that jacen is a much more powerful manifestation but they are on the same levelHow does this prove anakin was the most powerful force being on record. IT just says he submitted to the force. Guys oneness has different levels lol. But I think you have been ignoring that the fact Jacens oneness was the most powerful including anakins oneness sooo
How does this prove anakin was the most powerful force being on record. IT just says he submitted to the force. Guys oneness has different levels lol. But I think you have been ignoring that the fact Jacens oneness was the most powerful including anakins oneness sooo
Anakin has nothing to do with the Jedi you mentioned. Anakin achieving Oneness like Jacen in no way affects the Jedi you’re talking about. Where did you come up with this nonsense?
