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((SPOILERS)) Deltarune Chapter 2 Upgrades/Additions

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that's only assuming game mechanics are the meta in that particular verse. Jevil even stated that the world is like a game after the encounter with mystery man.
I think this would kinda enforce not scaling it. The standard for game mechanics is equipment not being damaged or destroyed by attacks, in the majority of games, the majority of RPGs included.
Thus, if the standard logic is damage doesn't destroy equipment, then that's just a property of "game mechanics logic" being true, not of Jevil's Durability.
 
Melee weapons work as levers. Examples of levers include baseball bats and golf clubs they work by multiplying the effort exerted by the user. Specifically, to lift and balance an object, the effort force the user applies multiplied by its distance to the fulcrum must equal the load force multiplied by its distance to the fulcrum.
 
Melee weapons work as levers. Examples of levers include baseball bats and golf clubs they work by multiplying the effort exerted by the user. Specifically, to lift and balance an object, the effort force the user applies multiplied by its distance to the fulcrum must equal the load force multiplied by its distance to the fulcrum.
"Examples of levers include baseball bats and golf clubs they work by multiplying the effort exerted by the user."
Baseball Bats can only do so much before it gives up, depending less on the user's physical power, and a lot of other factor-
Wait, that's not really relevant. This does not apply to RPGs, a wood sword would not be able to do a wall level+ attack without breaking it, yet, it does not break in-game.
 
"Examples of levers include baseball bats and golf clubs they work by multiplying the effort exerted by the user."
Baseball Bats can only do so much before it gives up, depending less on the user's physical power, and a lot of other factor-
Wait, that's not really relevant. This does not apply to RPGs, a wood sword would not be able to do a wall level+ attack without breaking it, yet, it does not break in-game.
Yes they would if the properties of that particular wood is different from the wood of our world. You don't assume that wood from that verse, would be the same as this wood from this verse. mainly due to their properties.
 
Yes they would if the properties of that particular wood is different from the wood of our world. You don't assume that wood from that verse, would be the same as this wood from this verse. mainly due to their properties.
What do you mean? I need a reason to why it would be different

Either way, we're not scaling characters to their equipment forms since said equipment are never put in situations where they are directly scaled. (As battle equipment has the yielder's attack and defense on top of their own).
Plus, Jevil could just get stronger for all we know.
 
What do you mean? I need a reason to why it would be different

Either way, we're not scaling characters to their equipment forms since said equipment are never put in situations where they are directly scaled. (As battle equipment has the yielder's attack and defense on top of their own).
Plus, Jevil could just get stronger for all we know.
I Believe You Don't

We could upscale Jevil from Spamton.

If he got stronger than why he wouldn't scale to chapter 2's top tiers?
 
Based on what? We already discussed that Jevil will not scale to Spamton.
This is because Base Spamton wanted to "surpass" that clown around town, but even if that meant Jevil, we dunno if it meant freedom (A reoccurring theme across both of them.) or power, or success or popularity (Spamton's success was calls, making big sales, big deals, living in the Queen's Mansion, while Jevil was the Court Magician.), plus, his behaviour as Spamton Neo suggests he was dissatisfied with whatever he got, implying he didn't "surpass" them as much he wanted to, right?
 
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This is because Base Spamton wanted to "surpass" that clown around town, but even if that meant Jevil, we dunno if it meant freedom (A reoccurring theme across both of them.) or power, or success or popularity (Spamton's success was a call, making big sales, big deals, living in the Queen's Mansion, while Jevil was the Court Magician.), plus, his behaviour as Spamton Neo suggests he was dissatisfied with whatever he got, implying he didn't "surpass" them as much he wanted to, right?
And the theme was strictly about freedom with Spamton NEO, so yeah. We already discussed that, and you're right, it can mean multiple things, therefore one should not be assumed to be true
 
Why does he have those?
Also, if you'll forgive my saying so, shouldn't it be that such matters aren't applicable to this CRT, perhaps it may be better to discuss them in the Deltarune Discussion Thread?
Don't wanna bog down an already long CRT with more stuff to confirm or such, when we have a dedicated General Discussion Thread.
 
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Why does he have those?
Also, if you'll forgive my saying so, shouldn't such matters aren't applicable to this CRT, perhaps it may be better to discuss them in the Deltarune Discussion Thread?
Don't wanna bog down an already long CRT with more stuff to confirm or such, when we have a dedicated General Discussion Thread.
You're correct. I'm sorry
 
Why does he have those?
Also, if you'll forgive my saying so, shouldn't such matters aren't applicable to this CRT, perhaps it may be better to discuss them in the Deltarune Discussion Thread?
Don't wanna bog down an already long CRT with more stuff to confirm or such, when we have a dedicated General Discussion Thread.
sorry
 
Either way, I'll be applying Berdly's Small Building Level feat to the following profiles:

Berdly
Noelle
Queen
Spamton
Kris
Susie
Ralsei

I'll add to the future profiles of Tasque Manager and Swatchlings, the former which I'll be working on immediately after the revision
 
Can we upgrade Spamton with giving him resistance to ice Manipulation or extreme cold(survives Noelle ice-shock) and resistance to electricity manipulation?
He actually survived in Pacifist Fight Route when he started to consuming electricity to turn into EX form, but he just backs to his base... but he survives.
And give to his base flight, cause in the puppet scarf or DealMaker form he flies out of Kris inventory
 
Can we upgrade Spamton with giving him resistance to ice Manipulation or extreme cold(survives Noelle ice-shock)
Temperature of IceShock's effects?
Also, he's kinda KO'd in just 3 hits by Noelle's IceShock, & not only are all 3 of those at the same time -Meaning we don't know if he would've survived an individual IceShock or if it was just overkill- they're when he's at like 6 or 10 percent health; It's uncertain if he could survive at full power, especially if Temperature Durability is separate from regular Durability
and resistance to electricity manipulation?
He actually survived in Pacifist Fight Route when he started to consuming electricity to turn into EX form, but he just backs to his base... but he survives.
Scans of him consuming Electricity?
And give to his base flight, cause in the puppet scarf or DealMaker form he flies out of Kris inventory
How do we know he could turn into his flying equipment form as base, before getting the power he had as Spamton Neo?
 
Temperature of IceShock's effects?
Also, he's kinda KO'd
he turns into PuppetScarf, PuppetScarf is Spamton BASE itself. And even then, PuppetScarf or Dealmaker is ALIVE and can even TALK

"Scans of him consuming Electricity?"
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How do we know he could turn into his flying equipment form as base, before getting the power he had as Spamton Neo?
Cause he LOST that body on Fight Route (Not Snowgravw route) NEO explodes but Spamton BASE tanks that without any problem
 
Can we upgrade Spamton with giving him resistance to ice Manipulation or extreme cold(survives Noelle ice-shock) and resistance to electricity manipulation?
He actually survived in Pacifist Fight Route when he started to consuming electricity to turn into EX form, but he just backs to his base... but he survives.
And give to his base flight, cause in the puppet scarf or DealMaker form he flies out of Kris inventory
Spamton/Spamton NEO never fights Noelle In-canon?
 
Jevil should scale to her wouldn't he?
Oh nah, we shouldn't use stat numbers on a RPG to determ who is stronger than who. As Bloxer said, "my power level is falling behind the others, now all I can do is gasp and commentate on the battle", even though he has comparable stats.

Narrative > Stats
 
Oh nah, we shouldn't use stat numbers on a RPG to determ who is stronger than who. As Bloxer said, "my power level is falling behind the others, now all I can do is gasp and commentate on the battle", even though he has comparable stats.

Narrative > Stats
He could have meant in the terms of the ratio between levels, attack and defense. he has level 4 attack 4 defense 5 while Rudinn, Jigsawry, Ponman and Hathy have the same attack and defense but on a lower level so if they were at level 4 instead their attack and defense stat would be above Bloxer's.

besides narrative-wise Jevil is superior to Spamton and Spamton Neo isn't it?
 
He could have meant in the terms of the ratio between levels, attack and defense. he has level 4 attack 4 defense 5 while Rudinn, Jigsawry, Ponman and Hathy have the same attack and defense but on a lower level so if they were at level 4 instead their attack and defense stat would be above Bloxer's.
We don't judge things based on "it could have", literally zero reasons to scale on to the other.
besides narrative-wise Jevil is superior to Spamton and Spamton Neo isn't it?
We had a whole conversation on this already. Superior in what? Freedom? Power? Popularity?
 
are you very sure?
If it's likely or even possibly, sure, maybe. But the guy literally said his power level is falling behind regardless of stats. Assuming Level has any influence in how much a stat affects someone else (like Pokémon) based on nothing is far fetched
very controversial to assume jevil is not at least comparable to him don't you think?
Maybe, but we have little reason to believe so.
 
Spamton/Spamton NEO never fights Noelle In-canon?
Noelle fights in Snowgrave route, and its showed us a new thing.
Bluelight special is just a physical defence, it's not saving from magical one. For example, Fight button and X-Slash is just a physical damage, besides, Rude Buster or Ice-Shock is magical one and its NEGATES ANY PHYSICAL DEFENCE WITH ANY PROBLEM.
buff Magic Deltarune
 
Noelle fights in Snowgrave route, and its showed us a new thing.
Bluelight special is just a physical defence, it's not saving from magical one. For example, Fight button and X-Slash is just a physical damage, besides, Rude Buster or Ice-Shock is magical one and its NEGATES ANY PHYSICAL DEFENCE WITH ANY PROBLEM.
Nope. Noelle one shots Spamton NEO, he shouldn't have resistance to ice manipulation.

Also, no, the Defense Stat treats magic and physical attacks the exact same way, as proved by Abandoned Snowgrave Berdly's fight.
 
Nope. Noelle one shots Spamton NEO, he shouldn't have resistance to ice manipulation.
He survived something what's one shots any darkner, so at least minor or limited
Also, no, the Defense Stat treats magic and physical attacks the exact same way, as proved by Abandoned Snowgrave Berdly's fight.
I mean, Magic doin much more damage than physical attacks against Spamton Bluelight special making Kris do only 10 damage by fight, but making Noelle doin insane Damage
 
He survived something what's one shots any darkner, so at least minor or limited
Er, no. He literally died the moment Noelle showed up and cast Ice Shock.
I mean, Magic doin much more damage than physical attacks against Spamton Bluelight special making Kris do only 10 damage by fight, but making Noelle doin insane Damage
That's because Noelle is a lot stronger than Kris
 
Er, no. He literally died the moment Noelle showed up and cast Ice Shock.
PuppetScarf is Spamton itself, so Spamton alive or Spamton in coma. I don't think Toby will make second variant, he kinda lazy and won't make that hard thingy. And PuppetScarf can talk according to special dialogue if your inventory would be full at Spamton NEO fight
 
PuppetScarf is Spamton itself, so Spamton alive or Spamton in coma. I don't think Toby will make second variant, he kinda lazy and won't make that hard thingy. And PuppetScarf can talk according to special dialogue if your inventory would be full at Spamton NEO fight
...How is this relevant?
 
Spamton said that Spamton NEO is SUPERIOR to Jevil
no he didn't, it was an assumption but in the end he said he was not [[BIG]] enough after getting the power of Neo to gain his freedom and needed Kris' soul and on the otherhand jevil already gained his Freedom and is content with it.
 
Spamton alive and survived IceShock but loses NEO.
I think needs a note to Spamton NEO profile.
"If dies, going back to Spamton base"
Spamton never even fights Noelle aside from the end of the Snowgrave Route where he is instantly frozen by Ice Shock
 
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