((SPOILERS)) Deltarune Chapter 2 Upgrades/Additions

[Deleted member 16409]

Ah my bad man

Can we make it all canon since a lot of characters mentions game rules?

 

[Deleted member 16409]

I don’t think Undertale rules =/= Deltarune rules on SAVE FILES. And Dark Worlds have only been said to be the size as cities I think as discussed and added earlier.

Undertale rules = DELTARUNE light world rules.

I mean not Dark world, just whole Deltarune to 21 timelines

 

[Deleted member 16409]

Btw can we make special rule to Spamton?
"If sees Clown, would go angry or bloodlusted" according to Spamton scaring Clowns and feeling sick from them?

 

[The_Almighty_Wholesome]

Undertale rules = DELTARUNE light world rules.

I mean not Dark world, just whole Deltarune to 21 timelines

Are you saying that 1 chapter = 1 timeline? This making 7 timelines x 3 saves making 21 timelines? Also Toby Fox has went out on his way and said that Undertale =/= Deltarune I’m pretty sure. They’re completely different games with different rules. And no character has mentioned SAVING as if it’s RESETTING or creating a timeline like Undertale does iirc.

 

[The_Almighty_Wholesome]

Btw can we make special rule to Spamton?
"If sees Clown, would go angry or bloodlusted" according to Spamton scaring Clowns and feeling sick from them?

I mean Spamton other than “I’LL EVEN SURPASS THAT DAMNED [Clown around town]” line, does he ever mention clowns again? If it’s just that dialogue than he’s just saying he’ll surpass an anonymous character he considers a joke in strength, not that he’ll go out of his way to kill clowns.

 

[ShockingPsychic]

On the other hand, would it be possible to scale ch. 1 characters to ch. 2 characters since Kris and Ralsei fought Roulx Kaard who doesn’t seem to be any more or less powerful since ch. 1? Or am I just getting everything wrong lol?

Roulxs is never fought in Chapter 1. We can't tell if he was on-par with C1 enemies.

 

[The_Almighty_Wholesome]

Roulxs is never fought in Chapter 1. We can't tell if he was on-par with C1 enemies.

Fair

 

[ShockingPsychic]

If you try to sell him the DevilsKnife, I think he says he's going to be sick. That's not enough to say he goes bloodlusted when facing a clown.

 

[Deleted member 16409]

Are you saying that 1 chapter = 1 timeline? This making 7 timelines x 3 saves making 21 timelines? Also Toby Fox has went out on his way and said that Undertale =/= Deltarune I’m pretty sure. They’re completely different games with different rules. And no character has mentioned SAVING as if it’s RESETTING or creating a timeline like Undertale does iirc.

Ralsei mentions SAVING.

 

[Deleted member 16409]

I mean Spamton other than “I’LL EVEN SURPASS THAT DAMNED [Clown around town]” line, does he ever mention clowns again? If it’s just that dialogue than he’s just saying he’ll surpass an anonymous character he considers a joke in strength, not that he’ll go out of his way to kill clowns.

Other characters like Swatch states that Spamton is scared of clowns, and NEO says "CLOWN??? I FEEL SICK!"

 

[ShockingPsychic]

Much like most video games, many characters mention buttons inputs and other game mechanics.

 

[Deleted member 16409]

Are you saying that 1 chapter = 1 timeline? This making 7 timelines x 3 saves making 21 timelines? Also Toby Fox has went out on his way and said that Undertale =/= Deltarune I’m pretty sure. They’re completely different games with different rules. And no character has mentioned SAVING as if it’s RESETTING or creating a timeline like Undertale does iirc.

I mean 1 chapter = 3 different timelines.
If I do 1 chapter 3 timelines, they will be different, same for chapter 2 where I can do actually any shit and it's not contact with other saves

 

[ShockingPsychic]

The Player (Deltarune) is already Low 2-C due to being able to delete singular timelines at a time.

I realize that the DR player is just a key on the UT player's profile. They aren't the same person, those should probably be separated.

 

[The_Almighty_Wholesome]

The Player (Deltarune) is already Low 2-C due to being able to delete singular timelines at a time.

I realize that the DR player is just a key on the UT player's profile. They aren't the same person, those should probably be separated.

Completely agree.

 

[GodlyCharmander]

I mean 1 chapter = 3 different timelines.
If I do 1 chapter 3 timelines, they will be different, same for chapter 2 where I can do actually any shit and it's not contact with other saves

1 chapter has 3 timelines.

... the other chapters just have the exact same timelines of the first one, as they are literally follow-ups.

 

[GodlyCharmander]

I realize that the DR player is just a key on the UT player's profile. They aren't the same person, those should probably be separated.

We don't know that. It's the anomaly, and it's been HEAVILY implied to the exact same one from Undertale.

 

[1st_Virtue_of_Pure_Void]

We don't know that. It's the anomaly, and it's been HEAVILY implied to the exact same one from Undertale.

I just had one thought and I need to ask, since The Anomlay is basically us viewing a game which is Deltarune, shouldn't it possess higher dimensional existence?

 

[GodlyCharmander]

But Spamton easily tanks NEO body explosion and turns into BASE

There is not explosion in Snowgrave Route. And that just means the explosion wasn't strong enough to kill him.

ok, seems like only Darkners can use Shadow Crystal

Seam never said the Shadow Crystal boosts Darkners, they said the Shadow Crystal is held by strong opponents.

Being strong means you hold a shadow crystal. That DOESN'T mean the Shadow Crystal will magically make anyone stronger.

 

[GodlyCharmander]

I just had one thought and I need to ask, since The Anomlay is basically us viewing a game which is Deltarune, shouldn't it possess higher dimensional existence?

I don't see why, there's still a clear barrier between me and the Red SOUL which is the anomaly.

 

[1st_Virtue_of_Pure_Void]

I don't see why, there's still a clear barrier between me and the Red SOUL which is the anomaly.

The anomaly is us or the red soul? because I thought both are considered the Anomaly.

 

[GodlyCharmander]

The anomaly is us or the red soul? because I thought both are considered the Anomaly.

Red SOUL is representing us.

 

[1st_Virtue_of_Pure_Void]

Red SOUL is representing us.

I see but, we are technically viewing all of Deltarune including the Red soul as fiction.

 

[GodlyCharmander]

I see but, we are technically viewing all of Deltarune including the Red soul as fiction.

This is the case for ANY game... We're all High 1-A in comparison to any game.

 

[1st_Virtue_of_Pure_Void]

This is the case for ANY game... We're all High 1-A in comparison to any game.

Hol up, what?

 

[GodlyCharmander]

Did the IceShock thing, it does ignore the defense stat.

 

[GodlyCharmander]

Hol up, what?

Actually, we're far beyond just High 1-A in comparison to a game. Obviously games can't even do anything to us, physically.

 

[1st_Virtue_of_Pure_Void]

Actually, we're far beyond just High 1-A in comparison to a game. Obviously games can't even do anything to us, physically.

Why were you trying to gauge the us from IRL instead of us from inside the game?

 

[GodlyCharmander]

Why were you trying to gauge the us from IRL instead of us from inside the game?

I didn't??????? You did. I said that we, inside the game, are the red SOUL.

To which you replied:

I see but, we are technically viewing all of Deltarune including the Red soul as fiction.

That could only mean IRL, as it's already established that the Red SOUL is us. Anything beyond that is just IRL

 

[1st_Virtue_of_Pure_Void]

I didn't??????? You did. I said that we, inside the game, are the red SOUL.

To which you replied:

That could only mean IRL, as it's already established that the Red SOUL is us. Anything beyond that is just IRL

The "us" in the game would be similar in nature to SCP 001 without an infinite amount of higher dimensions and without the narrative stack and without their haxes.

 

[GodlyCharmander]

The "us" in the game would be similar in nature to SCP 001 without an infinite amount of higher dimensions and without the narrative stack and without their haxes.

But that "us" doesn't... exist? Where did you get that we're some outside force IN-GAME, and not just... literally us IRL?

 

[1st_Virtue_of_Pure_Void]

But that "us" doesn't... exist? Where did you get that we're some outside force IN-GAME, and not just... literally us IRL?

The wiki restricts us from using reality fiction interaction. so if there were any instances of such, it would be a single layer of transcendence.

Reality-Fiction Transcendence

It is not uncommon in fiction for characters to view lesser realities as if they were fiction, in much the same way as a real world human would view fiction. Frequently that comes in the form of almighty author characters which can freely rewrite those lesser realities. The other way around...

vsbattles.fandom.com

Firstly, no matter what the author's intentions are, fiction and reality can never fully interact. The real world, and real people can be simulated within fiction, but they will still be fictional representations and characters. As such, no fictional character can be responsible for the creation of "The real world".

 

[GodlyCharmander]

Firstly, no matter what the author's intentions are, fiction and reality can never fully interact. The real world, and real people can be simulated within fiction, but they will still be fictional representations and characters. As such, no fictional character can be responsible for the creation of "The real world".

The existence of an "us" that transcends the game not being us IRL is just headcanon.

We are the red SOUL. That's what we know. We're not being simulated within said fiction beyond the red SOUL, so there's no reason for us to be a separate character other than the soul.

 

[1st_Virtue_of_Pure_Void]

The existence of an "us" that transcends the game not being us IRL is just headcanon.

We are the red SOUL. That's what we know. We're not being simulated within said fiction beyond the red SOUL, so there's no reason for us to be a separate character other than the soul.

same goes for SCP 001.

The Red SOUL is not us but what we as "us" use to control Kris, Our Puppet representing our choices.

 

[GodlyCharmander]

The Red SOUL is not us but what we as "us" use to control Kris, Our Puppet representing our choices.

... Evidence? You're making a circular argument here. We have no evidence of this outside force NOT being just the SOUL itself.

 

[GodlyCharmander]

Nor do we have a reason to believe that outside force sees the world as fiction.

 

[1st_Virtue_of_Pure_Void]

Nor do we have a reason to believe that outside force sees the world as fiction.

The world is a game, why wouldn't a game be fiction to them?

... Evidence? You're making a circular argument here. We have no evidence of this outside force NOT being just the SOUL itself.

You did the same thing in the other thread.

But anyways neither you have the evidence that the soul is the very embodiment of "our" existence rather than a device that "we" use to control our proxy, Kris.

 

[Deleted member 16409]

There is not explosion in Snowgrave Route. And that just means the explosion wasn't strong enough to kill him.

I mean in pacifist route if fight Spamton and try to kill him, so maybe we make him Electricity Manipulation resistance?

 

[Deleted member 16409]

Did the IceShock thing, it does ignore the defense stat.

So that means that Spells of strong lightners really ignore physicall defences?
Btw it's not soul Manipulation, because its attacking body not Soul. If character attack da soul, damage will decrease 4.5 times

 

[Deleted member 16409]

Btw I know that this thread is DELTARUNE discussion, but can we upgrade FloweyX Information Manipulation?
If off controller on XBOX during the FloweyX fight, there's will be some dark screen and he start to threading us with "CONNECT CONTROLER IN 10 SECONDS OR YOUR DATA WILL BE ERASED"

 

[Deleted member 16409]

The Player (Deltarune) is already Low 2-C due to being able to delete singular timelines at a time.

I realize that the DR player is just a key on the UT player's profile. They aren't the same person, those should probably be separated.

Ah sorry, checked da player range, "Low Multiversal".
But can we upgrade DELTARUNE WORLD to 2-C or it already 2-C?