Spite. No, but 2-C Beerus and Champa.

[AKM sama]

Shaking the WoV isn't really relevant here either. It is a High 3-A feat performed by two Low 2-C characters so discussing it doesn't mean anything.

I guess, if nothing else, all characters scaling to Beerus can have an "At least" added to them and we can conclude this thread.

 

[manu_zarri]

so conclusion are?

 

[Nullflowerblush]

The Gods of Destruction, the Angels, Ultra Instinct Goku, Jiren, and Super Saiyan Blue Gogeta get "upgraded" to "At least Low 2-C".

 

[manu_zarri]

wait chou or anime? ok i just see anime version rip

 

[Zoro21043]

i still dont understand how multipliers cant be used for goku as the distance is quantifiable

 

[LordTracer]

Shaking the WoV isn't really relevant here either. It is a High 3-A feat performed by two Low 2-C characters so discussing it doesn't mean anything.

I guess, if nothing else, all characters scaling to Beerus can have an "At least" added to them and we can conclude this thread.

I’m pretty sure his point wasn’t the tier, it was suppressed Jiren performing a feat beyond the level of the GoDs.

 

[LordTracer]

The Gods of Destruction, the Angels, Ultra Instinct Goku, Jiren, and Super Saiyan Blue Gogeta get "upgraded" to "At least Low 2-C".

The Angels are already 2-C though?

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

The Angels are already 2-C though?

"Likely 2-C"

 

[Nullflowerblush]

Oh, my bad. Just the Gods, UI Goku, Jiren, and SSB Gogeta.

 

[Zamasu_Chan]

I’m pretty sure his point wasn’t the tier, it was suppressed Jiren performing a feat beyond the level of the GoDs.

Correct. I was saying any GoD fighting would destroy 2 universes but they didn’t do anything in the WOV.

 

[LordTracer]

Oh, my bad. Just the Gods, UI Goku, Jiren, and SSB Gogeta.

And LSSJ Broly I know it’s not called LSSJ but I refuse to call it anything else.

 

[BlackeJan]

Idk if someone said this but if Zamasu could affected his universe and U7 (which would eventually give him 2C) and people say U6 & U7 are close together + GoDs would be superior to Zamasu

would that warrant 2-C then?

 

[Thelastmlg]

Agreed on both the OP and with LSSJ instead of the full power crap.

But quick question, does a universe size makes the destruction of the timeline bigger? Like, if i destroy a timeline and the universe within it is 100x bigger than normally, would it be a higer degree of low 2-C? If yes, would that make destroying 2 of those timelines a higher degree of 2-C? If not, is there any way to be a higher degree of low 2-C via destroying something?

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Shaking the World of Void isn't High 3-A btw, the World of Void being infinite was a mistranslation.

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

And LSSJ Broly I know it’s not called LSSJ but I refuse to call it anything else.

Why? He's at most Beerus' level, and even then it's a vauge possibly from someone who never saw Beerus' full power. Sure he fought Jiren, who is at least Beerus' level, but he doesn't know the full extent of Beerus' power

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Shaking the World of Void isn't High 3-A btw, the World of Void being infinite was a mistranslation.

Even though it's infinite, what would the High 3-A be like existing nothing there?

 

[LordTracer]

Why? He's at most Beerus' level, and even then it's a vauge possibly from someone who never saw Beerus' full power. Sure he fought Jiren, who is at least Beerus' level, but he doesn't know the full extent of Beerus' power

Because if Beerus is getting ‘At least Low 2-C,’ then people on his level (I.E. Broly) would also get it...

 

[Zamasu_Chan]

Why? He's at most Beerus' level, and even then it's a vauge possibly from someone who never saw Beerus' full power. Sure he fought Jiren, who is at least Beerus' level, but he doesn't know the full extent of Beerus' power

You do realize if any God of Destruction fights both universes go bye bye right? Besides no one surpassed Beerus yet.

 

[LordTracer]

You do realize if any God of Destruction fights both universes go bye bye right? Besides no one surpassed Beerus yet.

Except Bulma

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

Except Bulma

You dare disrespect our lord and savior Yamcha?

 

[Schnee_One]

Disagree for AKMs reasons

 

[LordTracer]

You dare disrespect our lord and savior Yamcha?

Beerus isn’t scared of Yamcha, but he is scared of Bulma

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

Even though it's infinite, what would the High 3-A be like existing nothing there?

Matt literally just said it isn’t infinite though, it’s a mistranslation.

 

[Zamasu_Chan]

One translation said it was infinite while another said it was eternal.

 

[Zencha9]

i disagree with the 2-C
agree with at least low 2-C
for AKM's reasons

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Matt literally just said it isn’t infinite though, it’s a mistranslation.

Yes, I know, but I just wanted to know more about the reason for being High 3-A. But either way, I think this question will get in the way of the original Thread, so better forget

 

[Zamasu_Chan]

We could talk about the WOV another time.

 

[Rikimarox2]

Anyways, I have a question that my tired sleepy brain cannot answer yet. Is there any reason why multipliers won't grant 2-C for Goku and others? I mean, from what I have seen, we don't grant 2-C to characters through sheer multipliers because we don't know the distance between the universes. But if the distance is indeed this small, shouldn't multipliers be accepted or smth?

I feel like I'm missing something obvious here, but can I get an answer to this before closing this thread?

 

[Thelastmlg]

Because our system is used across fiction, 2-C is made to be immensurable above low 2-C until we get confirmation that a multiverse exists.

A verse giving us a distance doesn't get special treatment, since we don't know if their 2-C would be anywhere close to other 2-Cs, in fact, that'd just mean their 2-C are just stronger low 2-Cs.

Also where did you get the small distance?

ALSO can someone answer my question?

 

[CR_Catinho]

i disagree with akm .

-if you agree that beerus and champa combined is 2-C and that individually they are low 2-C then you would also be conceding to the idea that the difference between baseline 2-C and low 2-C is a 2 times increase and therefore quantifiable.

-You said that you clarified this but i don't see where , if u wanna keep beerus at low 2-C then just upgrade anyone who's 2×low 2-C to 2-C like gogeta and post ui omen goku and those above them ( see the issue this would create ? ) that's what the OP says .

- and it's not beerus+champa = 2-C , it's just 2 GoDs ( sidra included who doubted he could easily handle frieza)

I wanna add another thing IZ is considered baseline Low 2-C which is weird since he already breached the distance btw universes to the point that he eventually would've become 2-C so he should be on the highest end of Low-2C instead of baseline and coupled with the beerus and champa situation anyone atleast twice as powerful as him should also be 2-C

 

[Nullflowerblush]

I wanna add another thing IZ is considered baseline Low 2-C which is weird since he already breached the distance btw universes to the point that he eventually would've become 2-C so he should be on the highest end of Low-2C instead of baseline and coupled with the beerus and champa situation anyone atleast twice as powerful as him should also be 2-C

Well technically, he breached the distance between two Multiverses.

 

[CR_Catinho]

Well technically, he breached the distance between two Multiverses.

Which is even more impressive if u ask me. anyway, i still think bumping the above mentioned characters to 2-C is the right thing to do if u wanna avoid all the problems not upgrading them would cause

 

[00potato]

Still disagree for Cathino and my reasons.
This literally can’t be true without either blatant hypocrisy/contradiction because it is still unquantifiable in general. The distance in DB isn’t inherently the same as in other settings.

 

[Zamasu_Chan]

Will a Dragon Ball CRT change the wiki standards once again?
Find out next time, ON DRAGON BALL Z!

 

[Zoro21043]

the wiki standards changed because of db previously ? and what was the change?

 

[Duedate8898]

the wiki standards changed because of db previously ? and what was the change?

Timeless Voids and Infinite Speed if I remember correctly

 

[Nullflowerblush]

People tried to argue Xenoverse and Heroes characters had Infinite speed because of the Crack of Time and the Demon Realm existing outside of time, which led to the standards for timeless voids being reworked so that they didn't grant Infinite speed.

 

[Zamasu_Chan]

Anyway let’s not derail the thread anymore. oops

 

[Maxnumb231]

So the general consensus here are beerus and characters scales to him gets "At Least Low 2-C"?

 

[Nullflowerblush]

Yea.