Beerus vs Photoshop Flowey | 4-12-3 (its grace)

[Fezzih_007]

As posted before, people who wanted to kill him, like that random pig alien, he didn't used Hakai, sensing "he wants to kill me" is not enough to make Beerus want to Hakai someone

You actually missed my argument omega, that's not what I only meant. Trought, I not gonna explain again.

 

[EnderLord8]

Flowey fra

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

“cause them severe harm such that losing could have any range of dire consequences”

Any range includes they would die. Which is what staff clarified it was suppose to mean and how many people have interpreted it over dozens of versus threads throughout the years. I agree that is a dumb way to have it, but that’s how people read and what staff says it is. So would it not be better worded as a matter of factual thing that just says they want to fight because that’s not how people and staff read it currently.

Don't think it's really that far-fetched for Beerus to assume that the giant plant monster thing would kill him if it won.
But still, it'd have to win to do so, and Beerus knows for a fact it's nowhere near his power, soooo

 

[Omegabronic]

“cause them severe harm such that losing could have any range of dire consequences”

Any range includes they would die. Which is what staff clarified it was suppose to mean

......no, "any" is a vague term used since it can mean literally any bad thing that would make a character want to fight and not back down, death is not specified for you to affirm that it is the sole co sequence assumed in it, again, staff can say what they want, i will still go with what the page is saying

Plus this would equally make Flowey use EE as a first move just like Beerus, making this usement of argument just for him and not Flowey really double standardish

and how many people have interpreted it over dozens of versus threads throughout the years.

people can interpret as they want, doesn't make theirs the absolute truth, specially when the wording is vague, unless ot specifies death, i won't assume that it means only death

I agree that is a dumb way to have it, but that’s how people read and what staff says it is.

Which staff? You only showed one, i saw other arguing as if it doesn't mean as you say it does over the years as well

So would it not be better worded as a matter of factual thing that just says they want to fight because that’s not how people and staff read it currently.

It says "they will assume bad things will happen if losing" that's all, you cannot tell me with a straight face that this means "death only" and expect me to believe it

 

[ArcaneAbyss]

but beerus first move isn't hakai
his first move is martial arts type shi

A Beerus fighting to kill won't use his signature move that he'd known for, that allows him end a threat immediately?

Huh?

 

[AwkguyDB]

Hakai being out of character for Beerus taking a threat serious is the weirdest type shi I ever heard. I get Goku was really his only fleshed out fight but when Goku pissed him off and Zamasu was considered a problem his first instinct was to do what he is known for as a GoD, delete that shi.
Beerus fra

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Keywords being "taking a threat serious." Do tell why he'd take Flowey seriously? Beerus literally flicks him and Flowey dies.

 

[Fezzih_007]

Do tell why he'd take Flowey seriously? Beerus literally flicks him and Flowey dies.

Well, flowey want to kill him. So it like, depends on what Bills decides to end this fight, if he want to punch or Hakai, because he can easily pick one.

I have to say, evertime he decide he actually want to kill a specif someone he used Hakai.

 

[Omegabronic]

A Beerus fighting to kill won't use his signature move that he'd known for, that allows him end a threat immediately?

Huh?

"Signature move".....bro, he barely used it in general in the series, much less in combat, what "signature" move?

Hakai being out of character for Beerus taking a threat serious is the weirdest type shi I ever heard. I get Goku was really his only fleshed out fight but when Goku pissed him off and

Zamasu was considered a problem his first instinct was to do what he is known for as a GoD, delete that shi.
Beerus fra

He only erased Zamasu after he got comfirmation that he was going to kill Gowasu.......and even then he only erased him to deal with him for good since he knew he could be revived

Pray tell, why would he go this far for someone he KNOWS he can sneeze to death? No, scratch that, that he KNOWS THAT he can simply flick away? Plus he knows Flowey isn't a threat to him, he can feel he is infinitely weaker, many people who wanted to kill him in the past, or that severely pissed him off, he simply beat them up, no Hakai, saying that Beerus will go for it first move is simply wrong when he NEVER used it as a first move, never

 

[Omegabronic]

Well, flowey want to kill him. So it like, depends on what Bills decides to end this fight, if he want to punch or Hakai, because he can easily pick one.

So did the caveman/dinosaur in the begining of Super

Heck, even Buu, who pissed him off tremendously and attacked him he didn't go that far, even against Zamasu he needed straight up comfirmation before deciding to Hakai him.......he never used it as a first move, while Flowey at least has an argument for doing so as he did upon transforming for the first time

I have to say, evertime he decide he actually want to kill a specif someone he used Hakai.

THe dinosaur dude from the first time we saw him he didn't used hakai

 

[Fezzih_007]

So did the caveman/dinosaur in the begining of Super

THe dinosaur dude from the first time we saw him he didn't used hakai

Do you really need to cut my reply in two just to say the same thing?

Anyway, Beerus was bored so he was just having a little fun there, so he din't just hakai in the first place because of that. And also doubt Hakai exist as a concept there

Heck, even Buu, who pissed him off tremendously and attacked him he didn't go that far,

Yeah, he was so angry he decide to beat him a lot instead of killing him. That's what I would do so my opponent can suffer longer.
Killing too fast is not fun.

even against Zamasu he needed straight up comfirmation before deciding to Hakai him

Yeah, he need comfirmation that Zamasu is dangerous so he can justify killing him. Thas't a not point of him not using Hakai.

he never used it as a first move

Okay, I think you confusing me with the others, I never said it would be his first move. If I did, I retracting that.
I saying he could do, not that he would 100% do, since the two times he did use Hakai, he wants to actual kill his opponent instead of not taking them serious.
Which is what SBA means apparently.

Not sure why you even replied to me, since I already voted Flowey, but covering loose ends is cool

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Saying that Beerus will go for it first move is simply wrong when he NEVER used it as a first move, never

He did immediately use it against that one Ghost guy tho

 

[Omegabronic]

He did immediately use it against that one Ghost guy tho

Huh, ok fair

 

[Omegabronic]

I saying he could do, not that he would 100% do, since the two times he did use Hakai, he wants to actual kill his opponent instead of not taking them serious.
Which is what SBA means apparently.

Huh nah, that isn't what SBA says, it makes them ignore any moral barrier that would stop them from killing if nescesary, but they are still in character

Not sure why you even replied to me, since I already voted Flowey, but covering loose ends is cool

I.....actually confused you with other people lol, sorry for that

 

[Fezzih_007]

Huh nah, that isn't what SBA says, it makes them ignore any moral barrier that would stop them from killing if nescesary, but they are still in character

I not saying I don't agree to some extend with your interpretation, but like

Each character will view their opponents as enemies, who they have to assume wish to cause them severe harm such that losing could have any range of dire consequences.

This is so vague, that I have to be in the fence. That's why I voted Inco earlier.

 

[GlaceonGamez471]

it makes them ignore any moral barrier that would stop them from killing if nescesary

No it doesn't. That specific thing was even removed from SBA ages ago. That being said, since I'm here, Flowey FRA

 

[McFriesGuy075]

Beerus won't open with Hakai IC, unless he's bloodlusted here

 

[Hellformer]

Flowey FRA

 

[Bernkastelll]

Flowey FRA

 

[Sdjlakjh]

Flowey might as well solo Zeno atp lol @TheOrangeGuy09

 

[Fezzih_007]

Flowey might as well solo Zeno atp lol

Nah, Zeno wins
Look at him;

Trought, GP vs Flowey is not off the table.

 

[Hellformer]

Flowey FRA

 

[Omegabronic]

Nah, Zeno wins
Look at him;

Trought, GP vs Flowey is not off the table.

this single image made me laugh in a way that i feel ashamed at myself for doing so, goddamn it lol

 

[ChoursDropoff]

I still haven’t seen any evidence that Flowey EE is thought based or anything else the. Active beerus has passive EE. Beerus FRA

 

[Bernkastelll]

I still haven’t seen any evidence that Flowey EE is thought based or anything else

It is though, you can see how it works in the scans

 

[ChoursDropoff]

It is though, you can see how it works in the scans

Saying “trust me bro” doesn’t make it real it’s not indexed on the page thus it’s not valid.

 

[Bernkastelll]

Saying “trust me bro” doesn’t make it real it’s not indexed on the page thus it’s not valid.

Why does it need to be written when it's literally shown in the scans?

 

[Omegabronic]

I still haven’t seen any evidence that Flowey EE is thought based or anything else the. Active beerus has passive EE

he has an Aura that can erase things IF he makes it do that.......which he has never shown doing in any capacity whasoever, so to say it is even in character for him to do that is wrong

plus, no reason for Beerus to even use hakai against someone he can literally feel is infinite times weaker than him and that he can simply sneeze away

 

[ChoursDropoff]

Why does it need to be written when it's literally shown in the scans?

Because at that point what’s stopping someone from making a bunch of BS abilities for whatever character they want.

Legitimately one half of the argument basically boils down to flowey supporter inventing new hax on the fly because they know he has no feats or examples.

 

[Omegabronic]

Saying “trust me bro” doesn’t make it real it’s not indexed on the page thus it’s not valid.

huh.......the activation method doesn't need to be stated if it is shown that the user doesn't need to use a hand movement or something to activate it, in Flowey's case he just.......does it, no movement, no word, he just....."poof" and ta da, erased

 

[Omegabronic]

Because at that point what’s stopping someone from making a bunch of BS abilities for whatever character they want.

......ngl, i didn't understood what your point here is? Making BS abilities? but.......no one is making abilities, they are using the ones in the profile

Legitimately one half of the argument basically boils down to flowey supporter inventing new hax on the fly because they know he has no feats or examples.

........new hax? EE and Info type 2 manip is literally on his page, what are you talking about?

 

[ChoursDropoff]

he has an Aura that can erase things IF he makes it do that.......which he has never shown doing in any capacity whasoever, so to say it is even in character for him to do that is wrong

Uh you sure about that?

plus, no reason for Beerus to even use hakai against someone he can literally feel is infinite times weaker than him and that he can simply sneeze away

Beerus has shown he’s perfectly willing to hakai even random fodder if necessary. This whole angle y’all are try run “well meybe Beerus will screw up and that’ll give flowey a win” is so divorced from logic it’s basically admitting that Beerus wins so now make up a hypothetical when he holds back to give the opposition a chance.

 

[ChoursDropoff]

huh.......the activation method doesn't need to be stated if it is shown that the user doesn't need to use a hand movement or something to activate it, in Flowey's case he just.......does it, no movement, no word, he just....."poof" and ta da, erased

Yes he does

This is basically another trust me bro situation

 

[ChoursDropoff]

......ngl, i didn't understood what your point here is? Making BS abilities? but.......no one is making abilities, they are using the ones in the profile

Yes they are making up abilities show me an on screen demonstration or a statement that it is thought based considering it’s not labeled on his page

........new hax? EE and Info type 2 manip is literally on his page, what are you talking about?

Where is it stated its thought based?

Hell even the example give doesn’t demonstrate this

• Existence Erasure (Erased Frisk's SAVE File. Supposedly erased the entire Underground and everything in it, leaving a black void, although it's debateable if it actually happened due to him later admitting that he needs a 7th SOUL to destroy humanity, and if the Barrier was actually limiting him from reaching the outside world)

 

[Omegabronic]

Uh you sure about that?

yes i am, as i said, BEERUS has never shown doing that in character, thus we can't say that he would here and we have no reason to believe that he in character would do it

showing me an image of Toppo, who isn't Beerus or like Beerus in anyway, doesn't change what i said

Beerus has shown he’s perfectly willing to hakai even random fodder if necessary. This whole angle y’all are try run “well meybe Beerus will screw up and that’ll give flowey a win” is so divorced from logic it’s basically admitting that Beerus wins so now make up a hypothetical when he holds back to give the opposition a chance.

which he did 1 time vs all the other times he faced Fodder and didn't used it, like against he Z Fighters in the BoG arc, the Caveman in the initial episodes of DBS, the Planet which gave him a desert he didn't like also in the initial episodes of DBS, etc

and as you yourself said, he only does it if he finds it necessary, which he only did there since the Dr was a Ghost, making hakai the only way to get rid of him, this doesn't apply here as Flowey isn't a Ghost or anything that would make Hakai needed, it is not a "Beerus would screw up" it is a "Beerus in character doesn't use it unless he knows he needs to".......which he would know he doesn't here as he cannot possibly know that Flowey can revive

Yes he does

he does......what?

This is basically another trust me bro situation

no, this is me describing something you should know already since you can clear see what is happening in the scans linked, again, no rule says we need to say the activation method in the profiles themselves, you are just......conveniently saying we need now and not in any other thread this kind of thing popped up for some reason

Yes they are making up abilities show me an on screen demonstration or a statement that it is thought based considering it’s not labeled on his page

1 they are not making up abilities, it is literally listed in the profile that he has EE
2 it doesn't need to be listed when the scan literally shows that he doesn't do anything to activate it.......this is like saying that nothing says that Beerus can just make his aura appear by thinking, thus we can't say it is thought based to make his aura appear

Where is it stated its thought based?

it is shown as he doesn't do anything to activate it, it just happens

Hell even the example give doesn’t demonstrate this

• Existence Erasure (Erased Frisk's SAVE File. Supposedly erased the entire Underground and everything in it, leaving a black void, although it's debateable if it actually happened due to him later admitting that he needs a 7th SOUL to destroy humanity, and if the Barrier was actually limiting him from reaching the outside world)

it literally does, tell me, what did he do to activate the EE? cause as i can see in the video linked going back when Flowey did the feat, he just.....does it, there is no "activation movement" or something, it literally just happens, LITERALLY

 

[ChoursDropoff]

yes i am, as i said, BEERUS has never shown doing that in character, thus we can't say that he would here and we have no reason to believe that he in character would do it

showing me an image of Toppo, who isn't Beerus or like Beerus in anyway, doesn't change what i said

https://youtu.be/A7guBzj2SGE?si=BEN7A1kAT_wqAv-Y
which he did 1 time vs all the other times he faced Fodder and didn't used it, like against he Z Fighters in the BoG arc, the Caveman in the initial episodes of DBS, the Planet which gave him a desert he didn't like also in the initial episodes of DBS, etc
https://youtu.be/A7guBzj2SGE?si=BEN7A1kAT_wqAv-Y

smh his attacks are Ki based all he has to do is flex his aura unless the argument is going to now devolve into Beerus can't use Ki there is no point in saying this.

but if you want here is an example of him doing it.

and as you yourself said, he only does it if he finds it necessary, which he only did there since the Dr was a Ghost, making hakai the only way to get rid of him, this doesn't apply here as Flowey isn't a Ghost or anything that would make Hakai needed, it is not a "Beerus would screw up" it is a "Beerus in character doesn't use it unless he knows he needs to".......which he would know he doesn't here as he cannot possibly know that Flowey can revive
https://youtu.be/A7guBzj2SGE?si=BEN7A1kAT_wqAv-Y

Wow don't put words in my mouth now I never said he will only do it if necessary. Beerus as shown in the example above will use hake on even Buu saga fodders or even random nobody NPCs in he want's.

https://youtu.be/A7guBzj2SGE?si=BEN7A1kAT_wqAv-Y
he does......what?

Give an example from his page showing his EE is thought based.

https://youtu.be/A7guBzj2SGE?si=BEN7A1kAT_wqAv-Y
https://youtu.be/A7guBzj2SGE?si=BEN7A1kAT_wqAv-Y
no, this is me describing something you should know already since you can clear see what is happening in the scans linked, again, no rule says we need to say the activation method in the profiles themselves, you are just......conveniently saying we need now and not in any other thread this kind of thing popped up for some reason

Okay so from I am reading it is clear Flowey has no example of feats giving any of the abilities mentioned in this thread got it. saying "Well you should just know these things" doesn't help your argument at all. especially since the point of these pages are to index these abilities in a clear overview of characters hax.

https://youtu.be/A7guBzj2SGE?si=BEN7A1kAT_wqAv-Y
https://youtu.be/A7guBzj2SGE?si=BEN7A1kAT_wqAv-Y
1 they are not making up abilities, it is literally listed in the profile that he has EE

Copy paste it.

2 it doesn't need to be listed when the scan literally shows that he doesn't do anything to activate it.......this is like saying that nothing says that Beerus can just make his aura appear by thinking, thus we can't say it is thought based to make his aura appear
https://youtu.be/A7guBzj2SGE?si=BEN7A1kAT_wqAv-Y

Yes, it does saying well hypothetically this is how it should work does nothing. plus it is on Beerus page for every in Flowey argument I guarantee Beerus page does not have that same issue.

• Aura (Overwhelming; Via Energy of Destruction, Gods of Destruction can engulf their body with Hakai energy, which erases whatever touches it[23])

https://youtu.be/A7guBzj2SGE?si=BEN7A1kAT_wqAv-Y
it is shown as he doesn't do anything to activate it, it just happens

"Trust me bro" lmao

https://youtu.be/A7guBzj2SGE?si=BEN7A1kAT_wqAv-Y
https://youtu.be/A7guBzj2SGE?si=BEN7A1kAT_wqAv-Y
it literally does, tell me, what did he do to activate the EE? cause as i can see in the video linked going back when Flowey did the feat, he just.....does it, there is no "activation movement" or something, it literally just happens, LITERALLY

Burden of proof is on you you're arguing Flowey's case not me show me an example.

like the example shown shows him erasing a file after two whole hits lmao

 

[Omegabronic]

smh his attacks are Ki based all he has to do is flex his aura unless the argument is going to now devolve into Beerus can't use Ki there is no point in saying this.

but if you want here is an example of him doing it.

......this is he using his normal Ki, not his Hakai energy, else......everyone there would be erased......aka you just proved my point that Beerus, even when mad, doesn't resort to Hakai unless nescesary

Wow don't put words in my mouth now I never said he will only do it if necessary.

"Beerus has shown he’s perfectly willing to hakai even random fodder if necessary"

You did.....i am not putting anything in your mouth at all

Beerus as shown in the example above will use hake on even Buu saga fodders or even random nobody NPCs in he want's.

This.....isn't hakai tho? It is just a normal Ki attack?......aka exactly as i said prior?

Give an example from his page showing his EE is thought based.

literally go back a couple of seconds in the video linked there, about the time Flowey is surroundes by the human souls/the hearts

Okay so from I am reading it is clear Flowey has no example of feats giving any of the abilities mentioned in this thread got it. saying "Well you should just know these things" doesn't help your argument at all. especially since the point of these pages are to index these abilities in a clear overview of characters hax.

I mean.....you literally just need to go back a few seconds in the video......literally.....but if you are too....i dunno, just look

1:25

Yes, it does saying well hypothetically this is how it should work does nothing. plus it is on Beerus page for every in Flowey argument I guarantee Beerus page does not have that same issue.

• Aura (Overwhelming; Via Energy of Destruction, Gods of Destruction can engulf their body with Hakai energy, which erases whatever touches it[23])

Following your logic, this doesn't say or show that he can do it by thought, so show evidence for such

"Trust me bro" lmao

More like "look at the godamn video"........i have been saying for you to do it this whole time

Burden of proof is on you you're arguing Flowey's case not me show me an example.

I already fufiled it, you are just being obnoxious about it

like the example shown shows him erasing a file after two whole hits lmao

........1 you mean? Also.......did you not saw the other links? You are just being desingenuous at this point

 

[ChoursDropoff]

......this is he using his normal Ki, not his Hakai energy, else......everyone there would be erased......aka you just proved my point that Beerus, even when mad, doesn't resort to Hakai unless nescesary

Now your just making stuff up the power of destruction have clear differences from regular ki this is demonstrated in their color scheme. And of course the hakai didn't erase everyone he was stopped the only difference is that there is no Vegeta to stop Beerus now lol.

https://youtu.be/KlM4suwbM4A?si=9ZT_2g5HjFZxUU8p
"Beerus has shown he’s perfectly willing to hakai even random fodder if necessary"
https://youtu.be/KlM4suwbM4A?si=9ZT_2g5HjFZxUU8p
You did.....i am not putting anything in your mouth at all

Yes, you are sitting here and being Semantical is not changing the fact you're trying to spin what I said.

https://youtu.be/KlM4suwbM4A?si=9ZT_2g5HjFZxUU8p
https://youtu.be/KlM4suwbM4A?si=9ZT_2g5HjFZxUU8p
This.....isn't hakai tho? It is just a normal Ki attack?......aka exactly as i said prior?
https://youtu.be/KlM4suwbM4A?si=9ZT_2g5HjFZxUU8p

Seriously the purple aura that is clearly distinct from regular aura isn't hakai?

https://youtu.be/KlM4suwbM4A?si=9ZT_2g5HjFZxUU8p
literally go back a couple of seconds in the video linked there, about the time Flowey is surroundes by the human souls/the hearts
https://youtu.be/KlM4suwbM4A?si=9ZT_2g5HjFZxUU8p

https://youtu.be/KlM4suwbM4A?si=9ZT_2g5HjFZxUU8p
I mean.....you literally just need to go back a few seconds in the video......literally.....but if you are too....i dunno, just look

1:25
https://youtu.be/KlM4suwbM4A?si=9ZT_2g5HjFZxUU8p

Again showing the same video that clearly shows his attack taking multiple hits does not help the problem point being if it was thought based like being claimed it would be instant and clear non ambiguously shown which this example isn't.

https://youtu.be/KlM4suwbM4A?si=9ZT_2g5HjFZxUU8p
Following your logic, this doesn't say or show that he can do it by thought, so show evidence for such

Here you go again trying to put words in my mouth. I said his EE is passive which it is like you have admitted. not thought based that's the flowey argument

https://youtu.be/KlM4suwbM4A?si=9ZT_2g5HjFZxUU8p
https://youtu.be/KlM4suwbM4A?si=9ZT_2g5HjFZxUU8p
More like "look at the godamn video"........i have been saying for you to do it this whole time

Okay you seem to be having trouble understanding I will just say it like this show a scan feat statement showing he can erase being with a thought.

https://youtu.be/KlM4suwbM4A?si=9ZT_2g5HjFZxUU8p
https://youtu.be/KlM4suwbM4A?si=9ZT_2g5HjFZxUU8p
I already fufiled it, you are just being obnoxious about it

You really didn't but whatever float your boat, I guess.

https://youtu.be/KlM4suwbM4A?si=9ZT_2g5HjFZxUU8p
https://youtu.be/KlM4suwbM4A?si=9ZT_2g5HjFZxUU8p
........1 you mean? Also.......did you not saw the other links? You are just being desingenuous at this point

https://youtu.be/KlM4suwbM4A?si=9ZT_2g5HjFZxUU8p
2 can you not count or do you start from zero? Hit one file is damaged hit 2 file is erased.

 

[Phsccarvalho]

The first thing to happen when omega flowey appeared was to close the game, alter reality to an info level 2 and change the story to the thing "humans and monsters disappeared without a trace" (which is accepted in the profile as an EE feat)

I can't see how this is slower than Beerus activating the hakai aura and yelling for it to be big enough to cover Flowey.

 

[ChoursDropoff]

Btw Beerus fra if you couldn’t tell.