Spider-Man No Way Home Revision: AP, Speed, and everything we didn't cover before (SPOILERS)

[Lonkitt]

Also what are the proposed lifting strength revisions

Essentially, what KLOL said. I do know that the Spider-Men will all be within the same class, Ock and Venom will upscale, Vulture is only "at most" their level as he restrained Peter while he wasn't fighting all out, etc. etc.

 

[Lonkitt]

It’s not unique to 616, as Ultimate Spider-Man managed to sense a danger in the crowd with no discernible danger, but it’s overall just ridiculous.

Ay that's right. Not too many people talk about Ultimate Peter anymore which is a little sad

 

[Lonkitt]

That's prolly gonna be handled in the MCU Iron Man Mark 46 downgrades.

Right now we're looking at the wall lifting feat in SM2, the upscaled Rhino thingy in Black Panther and we might try looking at a few Captain America feats if everything in Agents of Shield is deemed non-canon.

FFH tower as well

 

[KLOL506]

I seriously have no clue on how to validate or invalidate that and I'd honestly rather not touch that until covering everything on this thread (which I would feel definitely on if that was an official calc that could be looked at)

I think I get the picture now.

The formula itself is sound based on DT's work and so are the voltage values and mega-amp value. It's explicitly shown as "MA" with the upper-case letters and not the small ones.

1 mega-ampere is 1 million amperes.

The first part has it in the 15 MA range with the voltage being in the 5398.4V range.

The second one is 5414.9V with no change in the amp value.

The third one is at 11.3 MA with a voltage in the 8440.6V rang.

The fourth one is at the 11.4 MA at the 8511.1V range.

The fifth one is apparently at 8.4 at 10314.4V

And the sixth and final readable one is in the 6.5 MA range with 10376.6V.

You can see all the voltage values here in all of its glory.

Energy= I * U * t, where I is current in amperes, U is voltage in Volts, and t is time in seconds. Usually we're supposed to take 1 second for stuff like this since any additional second endured is basically endurance at that point. 2 seconds wouldn't exactly be sound for much.

Energy 1= 15000000 * 5398.4 * 1= 8.0976e+10 J or 19.353728489484 tons of TNT (8-B)

Energy 2= 15000000 * 5414.9 * 1= 8.12235e+10 J or 19.412882409178 tons of TNT (8-B)

Energy 3= 11300000 * 8440.6 * 1= 9.537878e+10 J or 22.796075525813 tons of TNT (8-B)

Energy 4= 11400000 * 8511.1 * 1= 9.702654e+10 J or 23.189899617591 tons of TNT (8-B)

Energy 5= 8400000 * 10314.4 * 1= 8.664096e+10 J or 20.707686424474 tons of TNT (8-B)

Final Energy 6= 6500000 * 10376.6 * 1= 6.74479e+10 J or 16.12043499044 tons of TNT (8-B)

FFH tower as well

Ah yes, the Santa Maria Formosa.

 

[Qawsedf234]

Final Energy 5= 6500000

I think that's 8.5 or 8.6 not 6.5

EDIT: No it was 6.5. 8.4 was with 10314.4 Volts

Though I'm not sure if this means a lot since, like, he died from this.

 

[KLOL506]

I think that's 8.5 or 8.6 not 6.5

EDIT: No it was 6.5. 8.4 was with 10314.4 Volts

Aight, I can add another one.

Though I'm not sure if this means a lot since, like, he died from this.

Eh, the current Electro calc uses the voltage thingy but it doesn't use the right ampere value.

 

[Qawsedf234]

Yeah I say its better to use this scene. Since it'll probably get similar stuff without the baggage of Electro killing himself.

Though I thought you needed to know ohms and watts to get energy from a electric current.

 

[KLOL506]

Yeah I say its better to use this scene. Since it'll probably get similar stuff without the baggage of Electro killing himself.

Though I thought you needed to know ohms and watts to get energy from a electric current.

That's if you don't know the electric current value, you'd need to find the watts and ohms value first (Ohm is typically 1015 ohms but you still need wattage value), luckily, the amp value is right there on Electro's head, so all the work is done for us.

Okay so that one is 17.9 MA and 11543.8 or 11543.9 V, very blurry, will try looking at my Blu-Ray copy for clearer image.

17900000 * 11543.9 * 1= 2.0663581e+11 J or 49.3871438814532 tons of TNT (8-B)

17900000 * 11543.8 * 1= 2.0663402e+11 J or 49.3867160611855 tons of TNT (8-B)

 

[Qawsedf234]

Guess if you account for the readout only lasting for a couple frames you'll also get 8-C results, which is consistent.

 

[KLOL506]

Guess if you account for the readout only lasting for a couple frames you'll also get 8-C results, which is consistent.

Hmmmmm, you might actually be right.

 

[KLOL506]

OKAY, I got some good shit, his highest peak voltage there was 11945.3 V while having a 17.5 MA value.

 

[KLOL506]

GOOD FREAKIN' NEWS.

The 17.5 MA 11945.3 V scene lasts from 0.88 to 0.92 seconds, 0.04 seconds. Lasts barely a frame if you wanna go that route, frames 2273-2274, that's 1 frame, film is 25 FPS so 1/25= 0.04 seconds. Could've been 11945.8 V, I'll recheck again.

EDIT: It's 11945.8 V

17500000 * 11945.8 * 0.04= 8.36206e+9 J or 1.998580305927 tons of TNT (Building level+), right on the threshold of High 8-C. He's 2 gigajoules shy of Iron Man's Mark 6 Arc Reactor.

 

[Lonkitt]

Huh....that's incredibly consistent with TASM Peter's statement and these proposals

 

[Baken384]

GOOD FREAKIN' NEWS.

The 17.5 MA 11945.3 V scene lasts from 0.88 to 0.92 seconds, 0.04 seconds. Lasts barely a frame if you wanna go that route, frames 2273-2274, that's 1 frame, film is 25 FPS so 1/25= 0.04 seconds. Could've been 11945.8 V, I'll recheck again.

17500000 * 11945.3 * 0.04= 8.36171e+9 J or 1.99849665392 tons of TNT (Building level+), right on the threshold of High 8-C. He's 2 gigajoules shy of Iron Man's Mark 6 Arc Reactor.

oh boy yeah

 

[Qawsedf234]

17500000 * 11945.3 * 0.04= 8.36171e+9 J or 1.99849665392 tons of TNT (Building level+), right on the threshold of High 8-C. He's 2 gigajoules shy of Iron Man's Mark 6 Arc Reactor.

Just get the screen shots and make a blog (or give them to me to make a blog) and post it. Once accepted we can downscale the Spider-Men to the feat.

 

[KLOL506]

Just get the screen shots and make a blog (or give them to me to make a blog) and post it. Once accepted we can downscale the Spider-Men to the feat.

Oh boy yeah.

 

[Lonkitt]

Once you get the requirements Qawsed mentioned, please link them here so I can properly update Electro and Sandman in my OP

 

[M3X_2.0]

I can actually evaluate the calcs now lmao, just post them

 

[KLOL506]

I can actually evaluate the calcs now lmao, just post them

LMFAO on it

 

[ShakeResounding]

Wow. 8-C+ Spider-Men, even if it is downscaling... Amazing (hehe)

 

[AnAverageUsername]

9-B Tasm no more?

 

[Lonkitt]

9-B Tasm no more?

Yeah, this helps seal 9-B's extinction a ton


Well, maybe Rhino can still get it (mostly joking)

 

[KLOL506]

Ah ****, I keep finding gold.

I found another voltage value, 12003V. Same AMP value.

And then comes 12511.3 V.

All of them last about a frame.

High 8-C Electro LMFAO

 

[KLOL506]

Ah ****, I found even better gold, 34.8 MA and 29208.3 V. HIGH 8-C+

 

[AnAverageUsername]

Please, keep striking gold

 

[KLOL506]

1:29

35.6 MA, 35371.7 V, baseline 8-B

 

[ShakeResounding]

Jesus Christ

 

[Qawsedf234]

It'd be either "At least 8-C+" for consistency or something like "At least 8-C+, varies up to 8-B without overloading".

 

[KLOL506]

1:29

35.6 MA, 35371.7 V, baseline 8-B

Wait, NVM, I think I mistook it for 25371.7 V. Back to High 8-C+

AH ****, another one, 42.2 MA and 26726.9 V. Almost there, now we're barely 0.3 tons of TNT away.

 

[Qawsedf234]

I'd just stuck with the confirmed 8-C and High 8-C numbers. Attempting to get a rating that's unusable isn't that worth it.

 

[KLOL506]

It'd be either "At least 8-C+" for consistency or something like "At least 8-C+, varies up to 8-B without overloading".

High 8-C+, we get more of those, and all of them last barely a frame.

I also found more, 1m 29.66 s

46.2 MA, 26736.3 V. Baseline 8-B bois.

That's it, that's the highest I could find.

Now my ass has to find them all again, frame-by-frame. Misery, misery, misery. That's what I've chosen.

 

[KLOL506]

Warning: It's all a blurry mess, I think I'll hold it off until the blu-ray copy is ready to rock and roll. You'll lose your back and eyes trying to squint.

Good news is they all last one single frame, 0.04 seconds.

 

[M3X_2.0]

Would this scale to Spidermens?

 

[KLOL506]

Would this scale to Spidermens?

No. None of them ever tank a full power charged bolt from Electro. Ever. They only tank the stray lightning bolts.

Unibeam is 8-A so that's an outlier for Tom anyways.

 

[Qawsedf234]

Would this scale to Spidermens?

Well we have two options

• Scale them to High 8-C
• Just use the 8-C+ options for consistency regarding the Pumpkin bombs

The 8-C MCU scaling is going to be torpedoed soon so they can't use the MCU's justification

 

[Lonkitt]

Well we have two options

• Scale them to High 8-C
• Just use the 8-C+ options for consistency regarding the Pumpkin bombs

The 8-C MCU scaling is going to be torpedoed soon so they can't use the MCU's justification

I'm in favour of option 2

 

[M3X_2.0]

High 8-C via what?

 

[KLOL506]

Well we have two options

• Scale them to High 8-C
• Just use the 8-C+ options for consistency regarding the Pumpkin bombs

The 8-C MCU scaling is going to be torpedoed soon so they can't use the MCU's justification

8-C+ stuff is like, 4x that of the Pumpkin bombs or the lightning. I'd just say keep it strictly to the bombs and the stray lightning bolts, not like Electro is just pumping out his full voltage without the Unibeam anyway.

 

[KLOL506]

High 8-C via what?

Check above my man

Also it's High 8-C+, that's straight up outlier territory for the Spider-Men.

I need to work on getting all the voltage stuff from the movie. This is gonna be pain.

 

[M3X_2.0]

Kinda lost here, you said they shouldnt scale to Electro but now Qwa said there are two options and kne of them is Electro