Can you confirm it's exactly the same character? The only thing we have is his appearance, and multiple Spiderman can have the same suit anyway.
Peter Porker—a spider bitten by a radioactive pig, not a pig bitten by a radioactive spider—the one and only Spider-Ham.
At this point, you’re only really going into the definitions of a cameo. The manner in which these Spider-People appear doesn’t invalidate them in a VS setting
I understand your opinion, but if there’s a valid explanation and reasoning for scaling, as there is here, then he can in fact scale
TBF Peter doesn’t need to look at the screen and say “IN 2023, I WAS IN ACROSS THE SPIDER-VERSE IN WHICH I ENCOUNTERED VIDEOGAME MAN AND ATARI GREEN GOBLIN” for his appearance to be considered legitimate
This isn’t really a great argument. We can’t simply say “these things are decades apart, scaling can’t really be used”
Yeah, I dont think it doesn either, what's your point? I just think that Miles and everyone else should scale to their own feat, and not from a cameeo character that plays no major role in the movie, and certainly isn't supposed to say how fast Miles is.
Sorry, but I'll fight for the opposite when time comes. I'm just waiting for the thread.
I don’t have to prove a negative, you made the assertion he was a different variation. Unlimited has a distinct suit, so to say this is a similar but different Spider-Man to have it doesn’t add up, especially since no one else canonically wore it.
This is a very bad argument, considering we never saw SSM get recruited on camera, and yet we objectively know this is the same one we knew from the show.
We can wait several months for that claim to be confirmed, but until then, I have no reason to stake in that.
TBF, scaling never has to always originate from major characters
Yeah, I doubt that too. I even doubt the MCU giving a **** for this at all, this a Spider-Verse exclusive thing. It's quite obvious now.
It should be a priority. It's not a character that appears for a few seconds, with 0 relevance for the plot and the story that should dictate the Tier of the characters.
Why would the MCU respond to this? We see MCU related characters and events, but it’s not like MCU Peter was chilling at the Spider-Society
If scaling was determined by plot relevance, a lot of profiles would get debunked to hell
You got the wrong idea of this comment. I doubt the MCU would care about the canon events and such things, they could even consider the events of that movie as canon-breaking, but the MCU wouldn't care at all, since it's not a thing there. Same with Earth-199999, it's 616 unless MCU says otherwise. Got it?
That's reaching. Not relevant here.
We even know why he wasn't lmao
When Miguel explicitly refers to Earth-199999, Dr. Strange, and Tom Holland’s Spider-Man, which means he knows and has seen them before.
Of course, that I’m not denying. I just don’t think when Miguel said that, it was meant to demand the MCU to follow up on that
Oh I know, I was agreeing with you.
I never misunderstood it
I dunno, feels kinda relevant given your argument is about plot relevance
Spectacular’s appearance is canon and he’s 3D here. They just made him look like he does in his cartoon without completely breaking away from the 3D artstyle
I knew you were about to bring this up. I was even considering posting that image
Post that image immediately
It’s a transition style. In the first appearance, Insomniac Peter has is in-game model. In the second (stop Spider-Man scene) he’s drawn. There’s no real discrepancy.
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Unlimited didn’t punch Miles. He tried and Miles dodged
We see a second Insomniac Spider-Man during the pointing scene even though we only see one in the poster (like with Unlimited)
What kind of argument is this? Are we supposed to ignore the existence of multiple variants of the same Spiderman and say that "they don't actually exist, they were just re-used"?
Why are you assuming it’s a second one instead of it just being the same guy moving to a different location?
You have to prove this.
Funny thing is the idea of a canon event originally came from the Doctor Strange episode in What If, just in that it was called an absolute point. There's also the fact that ATSV does a lot to make sense out of other weird stuff from the MCU and Sony Marvel Universe, like MCU Vulture for some reason just randomly getting transported to the Venom universe, which is explained to be happening to many villains as a result of both NWH and ITSV. I also remember seeing an article that the writers of ATSV met with Kevin Feige to discuss the multiverse but I can't find it. Point is ATSV is definitely a part of the MCU multiverse.
ATSV unintentionally fixing Feige's mistakes
That different Advanced Suit Spidey can just be explained away as a variant of the real Insomniac Spidey who's credited as being the real deal in the movie. Keep in mind that even Miles' Spidey from ITSV had an Advanced Suit in his collection of suits too, doesn't make him the Insomniac version.
Man this is exactly how i feel!
