Speed Removal for Ultron-Sigma

[BlackDarkness679]

Ultron-Sigma has a speed rating from scaling to Jedah and Megaman X, their canon counterparts, not the ones in the crossover, this was brought up as well here long ago and nothing happened (https://vsbattles.com/threads/ultron-sigma-speed-downgrade.49638/)

So it has to be removed and given a proper one from the Marvel vs Capcom series that he scales out of instead

 

[SamanPatou]

I agree, but atm I don't know what could replace it.
I guess that some feat should be found within Infinite

 

[Keeweed]

I made a thread like this before and it was accepted just never applied.

I know Jedah in infinite dodges bullets and an arrow from point blank range so the characters would be subsonic at the very least.

Edit: I now see my thread was already linked in the op.

 

[BlackDarkness679]

Isnt there any feat in other marvel vs capcom games for speed? If the bullet ones its all there is, needs a calc or something i think

Also we need some stuff to see this as well

 

[Keeweed]

I don’t think infinite’s story is connected to the rest of the series. The bullets one are the only one I can think of in the games story. You maybe able to dodge Thor’s lightning in game, but in the cutscenes a explosion hits Spider-Man before he can react and I don’t think infinite Thor’s has enough support to be realistic enough for massively hypersonic+ speed.

 

[BlackDarkness679]

All of mvc series is categorized as an alternate universe to marvel, so i dont think its far fetched to say the other wouldnt count, none had any story mode till infinite kicked in

 

[Ionliosite]

I actually agree with this, I noticed that during the forum move and I found it odd that it scaled to canon in Speed when we explicity have rules to not scale such characters to canon.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Seems fine to me.

 

[Keeweed]

All of mvc series is categorized as an alternate universe to marvel, so i dont think its far fetched to say the other wouldnt count, none had any story mode till infinite kicked in

But Infinite’s story mode makes it clear that in infinite’s world this is the first time the characters meet and their worlds are combined. Meanwhile the rest of the series just treats it like they always shared a universe. Even if we use the other games the cutscenes only have subsonic to supersonic feats last I checked and something that would be hypersonic hits Spider-Man before he can do anything about it. Including the other games either wouldn’t add much or would just be an outlier in infinite’s story.

 

[BlackDarkness679]

If thats the case, then i guess we should downgrade it to that supersonic rating then

 

[BlackDarkness679]

@DarkDragonMedeus

Cant it be applied now?

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

I'd ask @Starter_Pack @Migue79 and @HeeHomeboyMokey first.

 

[Migue79]

I don't recall the Mega Man X games being canon to Marvel vs. Capcom? Either way, this kind of violates our rules of crossovers if I'm not mistakened.

I agree with the downgrades. If there are no feats in the game, Ultron-Sigma's better off with an Unknown rating for speed until we find some calcs to replace it.

 

[HeeHomeboyMokey]

Best I know is Hulk's Gamma Crush from previous games since they are all canonically one Marvel earth. I have seen that feat get MHS+ but it would need to be calced properly probably. There may be other feats since I have not played many of Capcom's Marvel games.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

I think it's fine to remove then.

 

[Migue79]

Best I know is Hulk's Gamma Crush from previous games since they are all canonically one Marvel earth. I have seen that feat get MHS+ but it would need to be calced properly probably. There may be other feats since I have not played many of Capcom's Marvel games.

Do you recall how it was calced that high?

 

[HeeHomeboyMokey]

Do you recall how it was calced that high?

not really nah, it does seem to take less than a second though, although from the Karman line in one second i can only get Mach 291

 

[BlackDarkness679]

So Unknown or we just wait to search for any feats that can replace it from the MvC games?

 

[Migue79]

Change it to Unknown for the time being until we have some speed calculations for Ultron-Sigma.

 

[Keeweed]

I feel like that is an outlier (hulk’s feat). Jedah barely manages to dodge bullets in the cutscenes and he’s one of the fastest characters in the cutscenes. He constantly dodges nearly everyone’s attacks and can hit spider man before he can properly notice. Meanwhile Spider man gets hit by an explosion before he can move an inch. Hulk’s feat only happens in gameplay, so I don’t think we should use it.

 

[BlackDarkness679]

Change it to Unknown for the time being until we have some speed calculations for Ultron-Sigma.

Okie dokie

 

[BlackDarkness679]

Also should we close this now or make a separate thread for the speed?

 

[Antvasima]

I also think that this seems fine, but I seem to be too late to comment.

 

[BlackDarkness679]

Yeah you are late on it, already applied the changes

I think you can close it too @Antvasima , served its purpose

 

[Antvasima]

Okay.