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Sosuke Aizen Vs Zhong Yue - Battle for 3rd Strongest Non - Smurfs
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The contention is the side for Zhong Yue is arguing since His Aura "Crush's" everything including the Void of Space it'll destroy Aizen and The Hogyoku, thus negating Aizen's Immortality and Regeneration.
The side for Aizen is arguing that this isn't true Since Ichgio's Mugetsu couldn't even destroy it and that possesses Existence Erasure properties behind it via it being imbued with Quincy Powers. Which erase Souls with their attacks.
Aizen's Wincon: His Reiatsu which possesses Fear Manipulation, Paralysis Inducement, Soul Manipulation, Existence Erasure and Telekinesis.
Zhong's Wincon: His Aura crushing the Void of Space around Aizen. Destroying Aizen and the Hogyoku, thus negating Aizen's Immortality and Regeneration.
Yomi_Schwarz
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Didn't Aizen evolve to be a being that can survive even without the hogyoku?
And yeah, the mugetsu thing (if it's accepted as EE).
And in what sense does "destroy" mean for zhong?
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Possibly put that's only in his Muken Form. This is Monster Aizen.
It is it's just not on his profile.
Crushing it
"Aura (His aura alone passively crush the Void around him, making the Dimension to tremble)"
Yomi_Schwarz
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Wait but what about the shit gin pulled on post-chrysalis aizen?
Ah, ok then.
Like a hydraulic press kinda crush? Monster Aizen faded to dust and got his soul gg'ed by mugetsu. A huge wave of kinetic energy crushing him will surely be survivable.
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He's reliant on it but it doesn't have to be in his body to regenerate from it.
Ok.
IDK the scan only states his "raw power crushed the void around him"
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Let’s be real, whatever Chinaman he fought probably resists it anyway.
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Haven't read the novel, but since it's a china one I'm 99% sure he have used his aura against people and that aura have been used against him (and probably have left him hurt and that make him want to become stronger).
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Anyone that has previously commented can you please give your opinion on who wins, It would be very much appreciated.
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Zhong Yue can not only deny the regeneration of the body but also of the Yuan Shen (Yuan Shen which is a galvanization of a spirit - abstract concept of the world plus the soul).
Passive power suppression and disintegration from Golden Feathery Peng Sword.
Can powernull + disintegrate the body/spirit + attack the mind with Mangu Roar at the same time.
Can freeze him in space/dimension then pull him in 6 different directions making it hard to fight against.
Has 11,500 Transformations mastered but countless more? He just needs to scan/learn about his enemy then he can become them gaining their powers/biological traits as long as he can comprehend them.
He also has reactive evolution, power mimicry, accelerated development, instinctive reaction plus his Analytical Predictably making really hard to fight him.
He has the Inner Core that once used will freeze the space, dimension and the Yuan Shen stopping anything Aizen in place. The Inner Core can also seal others within it where not even those that can bypass space/dimension can't escape.
He also has the Demonic Sunfire (the fire that will attack the soul/spirit acting like a parasite meaning that as long as there is fuel [anything to burn] it won't leave the target).
Has the Tai Chi Art (nullify the attack of others and a fighting style that will reflect the attacks back). It will also create a forcefield around that will suck arcane energy reserves, blood essence, and cultivation base (basically everything you have) to strengthen it.
Has lots of sealing means (like just a touch, the Inner Core, other arts, or even items like the Sealing Charm).
Worshipping the Nine (Once used will increase his power, reduce the power of his foes, and make them puppets if they don't resist...it worked on stronger foes than him).
Celestial Demon Yi (which sucks everything toward his palm be it material, spiritual as the soul, or even more abstract as Spirits to disintegrate them into nothingness, even the dimension around will be distorted creating a space where is hard if not impossible to escape).
His every attack will hit the soul (sure Aizen has it too) but can Aizen even hit his Yuan Shen? Did I mention he doesn't only one but three (the Sun Spirit, Moon Spirit, and the Sui Sovereign which is in his Six Path Wheel/Dimension. ZY can directly attack the mind which Aizen can't counter. Plus Zhong Yue has more Soul type of attacks (direct attacks, crushing it, disintegrating it with the Yang, transmuting it with the Yin, and a few more.
Then there is also the Demonic God Puppet that will summon a being that can grant wishes for ZY (first is free, the second will kill ZY).
ZY will have calculated any and all skills/attacks/plans that Aizen has/will have faster than Aizen will know of them and at the same time finding their weakness, how to use them and even gain them himself just by seeing Aizen once thanks to his computation (has done this for hundreds of millions of skills at the same time).
Passive power suppression and disintegration from Golden Feathery Peng Sword.
Can powernull + disintegrate the body/spirit + attack the mind with Mangu Roar at the same time.
Can freeze him in space/dimension then pull him in 6 different directions making it hard to fight against.
Has 11,500 Transformations mastered but countless more? He just needs to scan/learn about his enemy then he can become them gaining their powers/biological traits as long as he can comprehend them.
He also has reactive evolution, power mimicry, accelerated development, instinctive reaction plus his Analytical Predictably making really hard to fight him.
He has the Inner Core that once used will freeze the space, dimension and the Yuan Shen stopping anything Aizen in place. The Inner Core can also seal others within it where not even those that can bypass space/dimension can't escape.
He also has the Demonic Sunfire (the fire that will attack the soul/spirit acting like a parasite meaning that as long as there is fuel [anything to burn] it won't leave the target).
Has the Tai Chi Art (nullify the attack of others and a fighting style that will reflect the attacks back). It will also create a forcefield around that will suck arcane energy reserves, blood essence, and cultivation base (basically everything you have) to strengthen it.
Has lots of sealing means (like just a touch, the Inner Core, other arts, or even items like the Sealing Charm).
Worshipping the Nine (Once used will increase his power, reduce the power of his foes, and make them puppets if they don't resist...it worked on stronger foes than him).
Celestial Demon Yi (which sucks everything toward his palm be it material, spiritual as the soul, or even more abstract as Spirits to disintegrate them into nothingness, even the dimension around will be distorted creating a space where is hard if not impossible to escape).
His every attack will hit the soul (sure Aizen has it too) but can Aizen even hit his Yuan Shen? Did I mention he doesn't only one but three (the Sun Spirit, Moon Spirit, and the Sui Sovereign which is in his Six Path Wheel/Dimension. ZY can directly attack the mind which Aizen can't counter. Plus Zhong Yue has more Soul type of attacks (direct attacks, crushing it, disintegrating it with the Yang, transmuting it with the Yin, and a few more.
Then there is also the Demonic God Puppet that will summon a being that can grant wishes for ZY (first is free, the second will kill ZY).
ZY will have calculated any and all skills/attacks/plans that Aizen has/will have faster than Aizen will know of them and at the same time finding their weakness, how to use them and even gain them himself just by seeing Aizen once thanks to his computation (has done this for hundreds of millions of skills at the same time).
Rikimarox2
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Chinamen and their bullshittery, man.
It makes me want to read them now.
It makes me want to read them now.
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Seeing as you created profile for Chad Jin Mu-Won then you should know how busted they can be (even if the manwha is a lower cultivation world/setting).
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Yeah, they are really strong, and really fun to read too!
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While I also enjoyed many chinese novels I think in one point the things really turn out too repetitive.
Anyways, that's aside Zhong Yue should have this.
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Chad chinaman bullies the virgin Japanese incel
Yomi_Schwarz
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That's nice and all but I don't see anything that can save him from Aizen's passive transcendent reiatsu's EE. Which will take precedence over anything you have mentioned here since they don't seem to activate passively.
Let's also not forget that this version of Aizen survived from Ichigo's Mugetsu which is also EE (Going soul vs. soul with Aizen or any bleach character for that matter is the bare minimum) and would have kept evolving further had he not felt alone at the top (Aizen has no reason to feel that way with Zhong, who he does not know).
Let's not forget that "Monster Aizen" is not the upper limit of the hogyoku's evolution. By every metric, the hogyoku will keep on evolving anyone who has the strength within them to carry it out. So Aizen will just keep evolving into a being that can match and eventually overcome Zhong
This makes sense in context considering the fact that the hogyoku can create beings like the Soul King as per what it was intended to do with with Hikone.
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Bruh, the chinese dude have regen negation, passive powernull and passive aura crush that make the dimension tremble, how it's supposed Aizen to survive that? It doesn't really matter if he survived a EE attack (which the profile don't say it's EE so isn't actually accepted as such), he would need to have feats of resist regen negation or powernull, it also seem to be uncertain if Aizen would be able to damage the Yuan Shen of Zhong Yue, which also seem to have three and I think are in a pocket dimension for how Zaratthustra said it.
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The hogyoku's abilities are based on a limited form of reality warping. The regen it grants is not a biological or a spiritual thing.
powernull is nothing on hogyoku that can just grant aizen abilities on the fly via evolution.
Aizen's "aura crush" is better. the dude can eradicate things just by being near him, not just crush
The hogyoku granted Aizen resistance to space-time manip, i'm not sure "dimension tremble" would be anything applicable in this fight.
Regen negation does not matter when you can harm the soul.
Doesn't matter if they're in a pocket dimension lmao, literally every shinigami, quincy and hollows in bleach have methods of dimensional travel. And aizen can sense beings from an entirely different realm.
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How does his regeneration work? To what degree? And what kind of regeneration has he negated? Biological? Spiritual? Etc.
Mugetsu doesn't need to have EE, Mugetsu is a conglomerate of several abilities, including Ichigo's Quincy powers, Quincy are able to erase Hollows from existence as a basic mechanism. Aizen at this point was part Hollow, so due to how Quincy's interact with Hollows, this would mean Aizen was hit by a particular type of EE meant for Hollows.
Aizen can also counter his regeneration with Kido and Hado's like Hado 99 which absorbs whatever is in its vicinity to empower itself. If he isn't resistant to Illusion Creation or mind hax then KS should effect him just fine, but that's if China man isn't resistant.
Also power null isn't doing shit to Aizen, Aizen can still use his abilities just fine despite having dozens of seals that are meant to negate his Reiatsu as a whole.
Mugetsu doesn't need to have EE, Mugetsu is a conglomerate of several abilities, including Ichigo's Quincy powers, Quincy are able to erase Hollows from existence as a basic mechanism. Aizen at this point was part Hollow, so due to how Quincy's interact with Hollows, this would mean Aizen was hit by a particular type of EE meant for Hollows.
Aizen can also counter his regeneration with Kido and Hado's like Hado 99 which absorbs whatever is in its vicinity to empower itself. If he isn't resistant to Illusion Creation or mind hax then KS should effect him just fine, but that's if China man isn't resistant.
Also power null isn't doing shit to Aizen, Aizen can still use his abilities just fine despite having dozens of seals that are meant to negate his Reiatsu as a whole.
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He is resistent to multiple form that affect the mind such as directly mind attacks that destroy it, arts that control the mind, arts that desintegrate/pulverize the mind, arts that create illusions. He also has the Fuxi Eye that will let him see through all things to reveal the truth of the world plus bypass the void and many more occular powers granted by this eye such as copy other abilities, see them better to understand complex ones that require understanding of principles of the world (this is his third eye).
Dozen of seals are nothing as he could null the seals created by the Dark Monarch (3A to Low 2C being) whose seal affected the entire Fuxi Race which was spread across the Old Universe, Six Path Universe, another higher Universe, and more dimensions that are almost if not universe sized since 100k years ago (in verse). This art only got more powerful with each generation to completely supress them. Curious how many seals are there that were nulled? Over one billion of them - this being just what he could see in the Inner Core realm as he wasn't strong enough to see the entirety of it but he could still null these in on move...he could have nulled more but he was too scared of the Dark Monarch as once it would null all of them he would get a big power boost but then he would be BFR-ed in 100k years in the past in another space-time where the Dark Monarch is at full power ready to kill any Fuxi that dares to mess with his art.
Also don't forget that Aizen likely can't even interact with his Yuan Shen meaning it won't be affected by the EE, even if he would somehow affect it there is Xin Huo the spirit of an entire Galaxy to take over Zhong Yue's body and then he would be ZY on steroids with the use of his skills. You somehow kill ZY? Pretty neat, there are 2 more of him (Long Yue and Bo Xun which are weaker than him in pure attack power but have the same skills), what stops them to teleport away outside of the planet (or even further) and then snipe Aizen to oblivion? Or hidde in the Lamp of Xin Huo which is an entire galaxy that can block attacks from Gods (4B+ beings that attack conceptually and much more).
The dimension I talk is ZY's own Six Path Wheels (six different dimensions that are the source of his powers - each governing some aspects; They are in another dimensional space within ZY's body), entering them voluntary would mean Xin Huo will take action plus if Aizen bypass ZY's Yuan Shen resistance then Xin Huo once again takes action and to protect it - don't think Aizen would want to mess with that as he would be instantly killed.
Hogyoku is neat and all but nothing stops ZY to simple become Aizen and gain his abilities/resistances.
Dozen of seals are nothing as he could null the seals created by the Dark Monarch (3A to Low 2C being) whose seal affected the entire Fuxi Race which was spread across the Old Universe, Six Path Universe, another higher Universe, and more dimensions that are almost if not universe sized since 100k years ago (in verse). This art only got more powerful with each generation to completely supress them. Curious how many seals are there that were nulled? Over one billion of them - this being just what he could see in the Inner Core realm as he wasn't strong enough to see the entirety of it but he could still null these in on move...he could have nulled more but he was too scared of the Dark Monarch as once it would null all of them he would get a big power boost but then he would be BFR-ed in 100k years in the past in another space-time where the Dark Monarch is at full power ready to kill any Fuxi that dares to mess with his art.
Also don't forget that Aizen likely can't even interact with his Yuan Shen meaning it won't be affected by the EE, even if he would somehow affect it there is Xin Huo the spirit of an entire Galaxy to take over Zhong Yue's body and then he would be ZY on steroids with the use of his skills. You somehow kill ZY? Pretty neat, there are 2 more of him (Long Yue and Bo Xun which are weaker than him in pure attack power but have the same skills), what stops them to teleport away outside of the planet (or even further) and then snipe Aizen to oblivion? Or hidde in the Lamp of Xin Huo which is an entire galaxy that can block attacks from Gods (4B+ beings that attack conceptually and much more).
The dimension I talk is ZY's own Six Path Wheels (six different dimensions that are the source of his powers - each governing some aspects; They are in another dimensional space within ZY's body), entering them voluntary would mean Xin Huo will take action plus if Aizen bypass ZY's Yuan Shen resistance then Xin Huo once again takes action and to protect it - don't think Aizen would want to mess with that as he would be instantly killed.
Hogyoku is neat and all but nothing stops ZY to simple become Aizen and gain his abilities/resistances.
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Less word barf and more actual substantial stuff please. ur replies are about as needlessly bloated as these cultivation manhwas. You don't need to go all respect thread on me lmao.
Second paragraph, idk what you wanted to do with that, Aizen's wincon is not sealing
Third paragraph, Uhh nothing is stopping them....except aizen just going inside a garganta to escape whatever tf fuckery they wanna do and pinpoint their exact location using his extrasensory perception that can detect beings from an entirely different realm. Then use his transcendent reiatsu to murk.
Any help ZY gets just gets EE'ed by Aizen who can use interdimensional travel and can sense beings from another realm. The scale of what they can do is a non-factor here.
Oh nothing is stopping him from being Aizen....Just as long as they can survive long enough to not get passively EE'ed.
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I am like ninety percent sure that shinigami and Quincy do not actually have free dimensional travel. They need the senkaimon to and from the human world and soul society. They can't even get to hueco mundo with it. Hollows are a different story cause they have the garganta. While people like urahara and mayuri needed to use a Keikaigi to replicate it. Now I could be wrong but I don't remember Aizen using a garganta. In fact he needed the senkaimon to be opened by Gin to get to soul society.
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Aizen at this point is also part-hollow. It would not make sense that he doesn't have it.
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I sure do not remember it being said at all that he is part hollow he is a "transcendent being", also ichigo is part everything and still never used a garganta either.
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One of the things the hogyoku does is dissolving the barriers between the shinigami and hollows. The entire reason why Hikone is a running candidate to be a soul king is because one of the things the hogyoku did for her was turn her part-shinigami/hollow/quincy/fullbringer.
I'm not sure why you brought that latter part up. That does nothing for this argument.
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Yeah that is one of the thing the hogyoku can do. But it is not what it did to Aizen. Aizen never gained a hollow mask. He became a completely different being. Hikone is not even a shinigami in the first place.
The point is that being part something doesnt necessarily mean that you know how to use its abilities. Not that it matters because Aizen never became part hollow in the first place.
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Hikone also doesn't have a hollow mask, Ginjo also doesn't have a Hollow mask. What's your point here?
Before it was revealed that the hogyoku was based on a limited form of reality warping, it was described as something that dissolves the barrier between a shinigami and a hollow which allows the host to gain the powers of the other.
That is literally why he is called "Transcendent". that "completely different being" you describe is Aizen that has transcended the boundaries between a shinigami and a hollow. He is something above a hollow and a shinigami.
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Yes I know that but you yourself say that this was before it was revealed what it really is, a device that is meant to bring about wishes, not necessarily what is meant to dissolve barriers between hollows and shinigami. Even though it can indeed do so.
You are contradicting yourself. Yeah he is above a shinigami nor a hollow as you say yourself he is a completely different being above them. He doesnt show any hollow abilities. And he definitely doesnt show any dimensional travel abilities. Else he would have just gargantaed to SS which is far better than using the senkaimon, he would not have been thrown off course at all if he did so.
Also ability ranges here matter, I dont think aizen's reiatsu crush would be any useful unless they are quite close to each other.
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You are contradicting yourself. You just admitted that it can do so.
The powers of the hogyoku are based on bringing about wishes and through that it is able to transcend the barriers between a shinigami and a hollow, effectively making it so that you can gain the abilities of a shinigami and a hollow. This makes sense in context considering the fact that one of the things it does is Hollowfication of a Shinigami and an Arrancarfication of a Hollow. Heck, Ichigo thought Aizen's regen was an arrancar's high speed regen for god's sake.
Your argument is negated by the fact of what the hogyoku does. Burden of proof is on you to find something that suggest aizen is not part-hollow while fused with the hogyoku.
He is above them because he can do what they can do and then some. How hard is that to comprehend?
Yhwach also doesn't show sternritter abilities, does that mean he can't use them?
Wanna know why he didn't just garganta'd to SS and Karakura? Oh i dunno, maybe because he wasn't fused by then?
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Yes it can do so doesnt mean that it did for Aizen, that isnt a contradiction. That is admitting abilities it can do while also stating what it has not done for a certain individual.
Simply because it was high speed regen, no other human like character has shown it, of course you would compare it to what you know. His regen is not even the same as theirs.
The hogyoku brings about wishes over time, that is literally it.
That proof is that he never showed any hollow abilities, like the garganta for example which is what we are arguing about.
Nothing is hard to comprehend considering he literally never showed any hollow abilities....
You are asking the wrong person cause I sure as hell dont think yhwach can use sternritter abilities.
He was fused, it simply fused even further with him, just like it did later on when he went all 3rd eye opened on Ichigo. He simply got stronger and still did not show any hollow abilities after said additional fusion.
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Your argument is literally just "We never saw it, so no" that's it. That's not a solid argument.
The hogyoku is literally described to be able to grant hollow powers. It transcends the boundaries of a shinigami and a hollow allowing beings to gain the powers of both. You are dodging the description by saying "We never saw him". You didn't refute the description.
Aizen being "Transcendent" means he can do what a shinigami and a hollow can do and then some. Not that he's entirely different. That's my point.
He would not be "Transcendent" if other races can do things that he can't.
I mean, you also don't think Yhwach can use sternritter abilities even though this is literally what he can do based on his distribution of portions of his soul and the fact he gets it back when the hosts dies or he just takes it. Don't think I can do much.
I honestly don't know what else to tell you dude. You seem to assume just because we never saw, means it doesn't exists even though it makes sense in context. You're not refuting anything with that kind of argument since it doesn't even cancel mine.
If I go further, it'll just derail the entire thing.
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I mean sure if you ignore my other arguments I guess it is.
True.
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