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Sonic General Discussion Zone Act 1: New Frontiers
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Dust_Collector
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This image sums up every interaction Sonic and Knuckles have in frontiers
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The OST in general is straight up fire man, easily rivaling the Adventure titles, Heroes, 06 and Unleashed.
I gotta say though, I am now hoping SEGA updates the game to include an option to increase the draw distance because sometimes the pop in can kinda kill the vibe I'm getting when objects disappear and reappear so close to each other
I gotta say though, I am now hoping SEGA updates the game to include an option to increase the draw distance because sometimes the pop in can kinda kill the vibe I'm getting when objects disappear and reappear so close to each other
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Is maginaryworld considered a 4th dimensional space here?
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Maginaryworld is the reason Solaris is 2-B if that helps answer your question.
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Ik but its stated to be the 4th dimension which would make it a 4D space, I'm wondering if this is capable of further supporting 2B maginary world without each universe needing a space time as it is each universe would be universal sized 4D space
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I mean, I always interpreted 4D space as just a name, not what it actually is. It to my memory was never actually referred to as a 4D space, but rather just the name of Illumina's dream.
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Oh, I get that. It's gut instinct to assume that since the name of the dream if Fourth Dimension that it's probably fourth dimensional. Though I've through discipline forced myself to not always believe the name of something attributes to what it always is.
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i know its non canon but archie comics refer to the dreams as extra dimensional, supporting this 4D space
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finally finished the game. personally thought the first half was a lot stronger than the second half. Namedropping past characters like Dark Gaia and even bringing up Sticks was crazy. Really loved the open zone choice. Anyone else finish it yet? Any thoughts?
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I could be wrong, but I was under the assumption that no ap difference regardless of how big could bypass invulnerability through brute strength alone. Though stuff like durability negation or in invulnerability negation would easily bypass it. Though it'd prolly be better to get an answer from someone like shake than me
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im pretty sure if u have ap higher then what the invulnerability is shown to withstand u should be able to bypass it
i think idfk
i think idfk
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Invulnerability can only be bypassed with a dimensional gap as far as I know
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well basically it's pretty much the polar opposite to durability negation by our standards on this site
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The End.
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Solaris
TioKill
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"Yeah, screw the official statement."
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What official statement?
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Too real
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Official statement?
TioKill
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The End itself states that it's infinitely stronger than all past Sonic enemies.
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The question was who would win. Not whos stronger. I'm aware The End > Solaris in terms of ap. The End can't beat Solaris though do to their hax. Thus Solaris negs
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Literally there's an infinity gap to be crossed. The hell does Solaris do?
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You're really gonna sit here and take that statement literally, Tio? Upgrade The End to 2-A or Tier 1 as that would be solid grounds for that tier.
It's pretty obviously hyperbole, and the statement in itself doesn't even seem super reliable and comes off as The End boasting. The End > Solaris. But not by a LITERALLY infinite amount.
What does The End do about Solaris' Low Godly Regen? What do they do against Solaris' temporal omnipresence?
They can't defeat Solaris. Solaris eventually wins and can't be beaten by The End.
TioKill
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Infinite times 2-B is still 2-B, or do you not know anything about Tier 2?
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The End's statement is that all previous enemies are "finite" and that they are "infinite". Ignoring how you dodged that the sentence is likely just hyperbole and The End boating their power, I would assume them possessing a power that makes 2-B character appear finite in comparison to an infinite power would warrant a higher tier.
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Looking at the notes of the tiering system it DOES say that someone infinitely stronger than a 2-C doesn't warrant tier 2-A, so that's a mistake on my part (Though I'd like to know the reasoning behind that, I'll prolly ask a mod or smth as to why)
Regardless, The End's statement comes off as rather hyperbolic
Regardless, The End's statement comes off as rather hyperbolic
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The End is simply not the type of character to "boast" with hyperboles given how rational it tries to be.
Also, the evidence for hyperbole is you thinking it's a hyperbole.
The statement is not that even that big relatively speaking. Infinity is small for these tiers.
You assume wrong. The distance between timeline is not quantifiable by space, thus the energy it takes to destroy one timeline more than what one's capable of is Immeasurable. The distance between a 2 Timeline 2-B and a 3 Timeline 2-B is beyond infinity.
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Ill re watch the final boss again tomorrow, but like I'm 99% sure that throughout the entire boss fight they talk mad shit and are disproven in some of the claims they can make during the fight.
Usually hyperbole is self-evident and doesn't require proof beyond it being of common sense. Like saying I'm so hungry I could eat an elephant. It's pretty self-evident that I couldn't actually eat one and is me merely dramatasizing the truth.
It being "small" for their tier is completely irrelevant, it's still an extraordinary statement, which means it requires extraordinary evidence. Provide evidence outside of The End's statement that The End is quite literally infinitely stronger. A statement alone isn't the strongest of evidence. And if you want reasoning for my suspicion of hyperbole, ill give it to you tomorrow when I can get screenshots and rewatch the fight as its extremely late for me run.
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Claims about Sonic being weak, or something is a merit of Sonic, not a demerit of The End's judgement.
That's because you're a human saying something impossible.
Our case is a god-like, rational being, saying it's infinitely stronger than past enemies, which is possible.
Hyperbole isn't self evident here - the literal meaning is very much plausible.
"The factor that disproves it being extraordinary is irrelevant, it's extraordinary."
Brilliant.
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I mean does Solaris even conveniently exist as a past villain?
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You'll getting too focus on that statement tbh, keep in mind just because you're stronger than a past enemy or opponent it doesn't mean you can beat them (Power =/= Hax). This guy is explicitly stated to be more powerful than past Sonic enemies yet in an actual Vs thread lost to two of them due to them having better P&A.
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Also people posting spoilers without even caring now
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The End is more haxed then Solaris too
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is it though?
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