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Sonic General Discussion Zone Act 1: New Frontiers

Do you guys remember how mario got nerfed due to antifeats. Well if this keeps up we may have to go the way of death battle and nerf base Sonic to 7C.
Actually do any of the preview images of issue 75 show if the vault door Any is trying to smash down is related to Eggman or something? Because I think I could swallow Any only being able to dent a vault door if it was related to Eggman, because I imagine that Eggman would strengthen his fortitudes with Sonic and co's strength in mind.

Now if it turns out to be a regular vault door, I can't really defend that. That'd be stupid.
 
Actually do any of the preview images of issue 75 show if the vault door Any is trying to smash down is related to Eggman or something? Because I think I could swallow Any only being able to dent a vault door if it was related to Eggman, because I imagine that Eggman would strengthen his fortitudes with Sonic and co's strength in mind.

Now if it turns out to be a regular vault door, I can't really defend that. That'd be stupid.
It's from a Restoration Ship. The ones we see in Forces fighting against the Egg Fleet.
 
Actually do any of the preview images of issue 75 show if the vault door Any is trying to smash down is related to Eggman or something? Because I think I could swallow Any only being able to dent a vault door if it was related to Eggman, because I imagine that Eggman would strengthen his fortitudes with Sonic and co's strength in mind.

Now if it turns out to be a regular vault door, I can't really defend that. That'd be stupid.
Clutch does repurpose Eggman tech so maybe
 
......Ian is a aswering with Sega's direction in mind
1 you can't actually know that all Sega communicated to us is that it was canon there word trumps his

2 do you have a link to this statment

3 can you prove this statment dosen't predate the comic becoming canon?
 
why can't be both? It is quite irrelevant tbh, it isn't like anyone inside CS would be able to deactivate the Towers anyhow
The towers at the end of the story stay deactivated, if Cyberspace was utilized in a fight shouldn’t it by default be the towerless version?
No it doesn't, that is outside of all of the cosmology, DT won't do squat without range
Fair play.
Aka we go with the least assumption, that Sonic used his inherent DT to go back, just like he did in the Classic Era to go to the Sleeping Egg Zone and Aqua Planet
But doesn’t Sonic get transported to those worlds in the first place as a result of Shahra and Merlina, who are both still alive at the end? Why can’t they be responsible for it.
.......he ran to another dimension, that you really cannot possibly deny
He could only do that after collecting the 7 special rings to open the way to the stage.
They are the only place that Sonic can gather enough speed in one place, so that explains they being "special" and why Sonic can't do it in other places.
Ehhhh…I guess that’s one argument. But the posts themselves aren’t based on how fast you go, it’s being able to boost continuously for long enough to open the portal (aka having enough boost meter)
 
How did speed based DT even become a thing, the flash was kinda doing it long before sonic and it's just a thing now
 
But doesn’t Sonic get transported to those worlds in the first place as a result of Shahra and Merlina, who are both still alive at the end? Why can’t they be responsible for it.
Shahra would've said if she had something to do with it in her end monologue, which she doesn't. Her wording doesn't imply she did anything, but that Sonic did.
 
Shahra would've said if she had something to do with it in her end monologue, which she doesn't. Her wording doesn't imply she did anything, but that Sonic did.
Tbh it implies sequal fodder that never happened which is weird sense they certainly planned for a new setting
 
1 you can't actually know that all Sega communicated to us is that it was canon there word trumps his
He was asked in context of what Sega said.........he is deeply involved in IDW Sonic, so trying to say his word has no value here when it doesn't contradict Sega's is honestlt stupid

2 do you have a link to this statment

3 can you prove this statment dosen't predate the comic becoming canon?
It is literally a response to it being deemed canon

A tip, it is bettee to ask first instead of assuming how things are, the Timeline blogs already make clear that the IDW comics are secondary canon
 
The towers at the end of the story stay deactivated, if Cyberspace was utilized in a fight shouldn’t it by default be the towerless version?
No? Why would that be? Plus they sealed TE in CyberSpace while they were in space.....before the towers were even made

Fair play.


But doesn’t Sonic get transported to those worlds in the first place as a result of Shahra and Merlina, who are both still alive at the end? Why can’t they be responsible for it.
Shara specified she didn't do anything, Merlina has spells to summon him to her.....no evidence of her having BFR

He could only do that after collecting the 7 special rings to open the way to the stage.
Show me this, show me statements as well proving this to be the case

Also you ignored Aqua Planet zone and Sleeping Egg Zone because?
 
No? Why would that be? Plus they sealed TE in CyberSpace while they were in space.....before the towers were even made
Back then I don’t think it was implied CS had the layered sealing.
Shara specified she didn't do anything, Merlina has spells to summon him to her.....no evidence of her having BFR
With Shahra I think Occam’s comes in to say, if there’s an easy method already established in the story for Sonic to return they don’t need to re-mention it. And for Merlina, they don’t explicitly say but being able to bring Sonic from another dimension with her spell, likely means she can bring him back to where he was too, since it’s just reversing the effect.
Show me this, show me statements as well proving this to be the case
The fact that you straight up can’t enter the special stage without those rings at all in game.
Also you ignored Aqua Planet zone and Sleeping Egg Zone because?
I ignored cuz they’re accurate and I agree, just felt like responding to the others.
 
Back then I don’t think it was implied CS had the layered sealing.
......are you just saying words now? How does that relate to anything i said?

With Shahra I think Occam’s comes in to say, if there’s an easy method already established in the story for Sonic to return they don’t need to re-mention it.
She said "he found a way out", if she could send him home, she would have immediatly.......and yet she didn't and said he needed to find a way home

And for Merlina, they don’t explicitly say but being able to bring Sonic from another dimension with her spell, likely means she can bring him back to where he was too, since it’s just reversing the effect.
Which you assume is possible to begin with, again, she can summon, we have no evidence she is able to do that

I ignored cuz they’re accurate and I agree, just felt like responding to the others.
Ok, so you agree on CS negating normal DT?
 
......are you just saying words now? How does that relate to anything i said?
Cuz them sealing the End in CS doesn’t mean cyberspace itself prevented escape for DT users at the time, its possible that the pilot sealed the End long enough for them to build the towers to strengthen the seal.
She said "he found a way out", if she could send him home, she would have immediatly.......and yet she didn't and said he needed to find a way home
It also mentions he goes on a bunch of adventures, aka he has fun before deciding to head back. Then in the Japanese it just mentions he runs around as much as he can, before returning to his own world. Which also isn’t explicitly saying “he did it on his own”
Which you assume is possible to begin with, again, she can summon, we have no evidence she is able to do that
It’s just creating a portal between realms, no reason she can’t just do it again.
Ok, so you agree on CS negating normal DT?
I agree at least the version with all the towers set up can.
 
I was gonna share some more art stuff, but ehh...

The last couple of things I shared, instantly became extremely discouraging.
 
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Cuz them sealing the End in CS doesn’t mean cyberspace itself prevented escape for DT users at the time, its possible that the pilot sealed the End long enough for them to build the towers to strengthen the seal.
The pilot sealed The End inside Supreme, which then was sealed inside Cyberspace. So The End's sealing was already layered, technically.
 
Honestly, would probably be disgusted. Despite Bowser being evil, he isn't a monster like Archie Eggman. At least Pre-SGW Eggman.
I believe it's even more than "probably." Something similar has happened before. In Paper Mario: The Origami King, King Olly planned to make one thousand origami cranes in order to earn a magic wish to turn all Toads into blank paper, to which Bowser responded: "What?! That's crazy talk. The Toads can't come back from that, you know. I wouldn't even do that. And I've done some mean stuff, believe me! Ask Kamek!"

As much as the Super Mario series sidelines consistency in favor of functionality, the above is suitable and makes two references to previously established information from other games.
 
Cuz them sealing the End in CS doesn’t mean cyberspace itself prevented escape for DT users at the time, its possible that the pilot sealed the End long enough for them to build the towers to strengthen the seal.
The End took control of Supreme after getting inside, if it could escape, it would, as it did so immeditly after getting out of Supreme in FH

It also mentions he goes on a bunch of adventures, aka he has fun before deciding to head back. Then in the Japanese it just mentions he runs around as much as he can, before returning to his own world. Which also isn’t explicitly saying “he did it on his own”
yes it is, else ge wouldn't look for a way back, Shara would just sent him

This is headcanon dude, sorry, you even admited that has dimensional travel, why are you insisting so much?

It’s just creating a portal between realms, no reason she can’t just do it again.
no, it is summoning Sonic to her realm, not opening a portal, headcanon again

I agree at least the version with all the towers set up can.
The Towers were for The End, not Sonic, so no, you agree on CS in general
 
I believe it's even more than "probably." Something similar has happened before. In Paper Mario: The Origami King, King Olly planned to make one thousand origami cranes in order to earn a magic wish to turn all Toads into blank paper, to which Bowser responded: "What?! That's crazy talk. The Toads can't come back from that, you know. I wouldn't even do that. And I've done some mean stuff, believe me! Ask Kamek!"

As much as the Super Mario series sidelines consistency in favor of functionality, the above is suitable and makes two references to previously established information from other games.
I said probably as a lowball.
 
That's okay. 👍 This is the first time I'm reading of Eggman from the Archie Comics continuity being so dastardly anyway, so I decided to share some evidence I have of Bowser's sense of morality, as a sort of trade.
Archie Eggman is genuinely a maniac.
  • Nuked his world's Mobius, happily killing all life on the planet
  • Created 2 "children", A.D.A.M. and E.V.E., but commanded E.V.E. to self-destruct after A.D.A.M. snitched on her regarding a betrayal of ideologies. She hesitates but obeys, killing herself upon his request.
  • Was draining the life essence of various supporting Archie cast members, rendering them husks without life (and he didn't even need to)
  • Genocided all of Charmy's kind except 1 other bee
  • Paralyzed one of his minions and locked him in a dark pod while fully aware as a punishment for Freedom Fighters slipping past him
  • Would rather have performed omnicide upon the multiverse than let Sonic correct it with a Supercharged Chaos Control
And that's only scratching the surface
 
Archie Eggman is genuinely a maniac.
  • Nuked his world's Mobius, happily killing all life on the planet
  • Created 2 "children", A.D.A.M. and E.V.E., but commanded E.V.E. to self-destruct after A.D.A.M. snitched on her regarding a betrayal of ideologies. She hesitates but obeys, killing herself upon his request.
  • Was draining the life essence of various supporting Archie cast members, rendering them husks without life (and he didn't even need to)
  • Genocided all of Charmy's kind except 1 other bee
  • Paralyzed one of his minions and locked him in a dark pod while fully aware as a punishment for Freedom Fighters slipping past him
  • Would rather have performed omnicide upon the multiverse than let Sonic correct it with a Supercharged Chaos Control
And that's only scratching the surface
ok i hear you......but did he consider Omnicide just to build an amuzement park and live without anything but machines in it?.....yes, i will keep using this card
 
I never knew that Sonic having time paradox resistance would be such a contentious discussion topic for me until today.
 
ok i hear you......but did he consider Omnicide just to build an amuzement park and live without anything but machines in it?.....yes, i will keep using this card
What Archie Eggman did is way worse due to the scope of the Super Genesis Wave he did and there's also the Ultimate Annihilator to keep in mind. Games Eggman is NOT as insane and evil as Archie Eggman. Honestly, I prefer Games Eggman for that reason as Archie Eggman feels way too serious and heinous for my liking. Games Eggman is goofy, still efficient, and doesn't go completely insane when things don't go his way. Games Eggman got willpower, Archie Eggman went to the Loony Bin cuz he couldn't take the heat.
 
Nobody disagrees with Sonamy, they disagree with you on how you believe Amy's characterization is consistent (I'm neutral so don't attack me)
 
Let me guess, Mario/Death Battle fans?
Sonic fan, actually.

Admittedly the whole MW theory does sound crazy to some people, given how many times Sonic characters have resorted to trying to fix the past to alter the future, how Gerald mentions not trying to alter the past to prevent time paradoxes, and how Sonic forgot who Silver was in Rivals. It's something I prolly will have to address in a Bowser vs Eggman response discussion given Bowser's time travel.
 
Nobody disagrees with Sonamy, they disagree with you on how you believe Amy's characterization is consistent (I'm neutral so don't attack me)
huh? oh no i wasn't thinking about that, i just............really like Sonamy, doesn't "Vindicated" means "happy"? i assumed it did, hence why i used it, like "i am so happy right now" but a little fancier
 
Sonic fan, actually.

Admittedly the whole MW theory does sound crazy to some people, given how many times Sonic characters have resorted to trying to fix the past to alter the future, how Gerald mentions not trying to alter the past to prevent time paradoxes, and how Sonic forgot who Silver was in Rivals. It's something I prolly will have to address in a Bowser vs Eggman response discussion given Bowser's time travel.
Silver and Eggman Nega are probably the most blatant characters with acausality.
 
aaahh, you have no idea, how vindicated i feel right now......yes i know it happened in other takeovers as well
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SONAMY CHADS WON AGAIN?
SONALLY? NON TO THE CANON
SONADOW? FANON
COPE COPE SEEEETHE
 
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SONAMY CHADS WON AGAIN?
SONALLY? NON TO THE CANON
SONADOW? FANON
COPE COPE SEEEETHE
......ok, i laughed, out load LOL
 
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