Sonic General Discussion Zone Act 1: New Frontiers

[Darkmon_cns]

And I thought he just ran out of cyber space

I'm not entirely sure, in theory eggman isn't in a cage anywhere, he's just hanging out at the start of what looks like a cyberspace stage, maybe he'd be able to leave if he somehow did the stage lol

 

[ShrekAnakin]

Freedom Fighters don't have any legal issues, it's mostly just Sega not liking to use stuff from older media.

Yeah, they straight up own them I think. But yeah, they just don't like using shit from old/dead media like SATAM or Sonic X. Well, characters at least.

 

[Omegabronic]

I mean: isn't Archie Eggman from a Mobius where he won after he used nukes to wipe out all the Freedom Fighters, roboticized everything, and only came to Mobius Prime after Robotnik was erased from existence so he could win again?

And that's only the tip of a list of the ****** up things that Eggman has done in the comics. I recently learned about the ways that Eggman keeps his Egg Legions loyal to him, and I think seeing how Eggman treats his minions and forces would utterly disgust Bowser.

And Game Eggman made, or almost made, multiversal and Universal Genocide multiplr times......Game Eggman is just as bad honestly

 

[Snek]

Yeah, they straight up own them I think. But yeah, they just don't like using shit from old/dead media like SATAM or Sonic X. Well, characters at least.

Which is odd since repurposing certain elements from different continuitys to make a new game sounds easier than doing everything from scratch but I'm not a multi billion dollar company so what would I know.

 

[Causalist]

And Game Eggman made, or almost made, multiversal and Universal Genocide multiplr times......Game Eggman is just as bad honestly

He doesn't thrive on anyone's pointless torture though (except Sonic's in Forces, and even then it seemed pretty mild). When he captured professor Pickle in Unleashed, Tails was convinced Eggman was feeding him because "Even he's not that cruel". Turns out he was feeding him very good looking food

 

[The_Unknown_Warrior1]

And Game Eggman made, or almost made, multiversal and Universal Genocide multiplr times......Game Eggman is just as bad honestly

I mean at least Game Eggman has Sage to give him some semblance of an actual human personality.

Which I'm not going to lie: it's pretty funny, in a morbid sort of way, that SEGA wants us to think that the Eggman that unleashed the Metal Virus upon the world is the same Eggman from Sonic Frontiers. One of the unintended consequences of canonzing IDW, tbh.

 

[0ホルスファルコン将軍0]

They definitely told the current comic writer no when he asked to use them


I also think I heard a story once of Archie having to cancel a sonic underground conclusion comic because sega told them they didn't have the rights

When i get my hands on Takashi Iizuka.

 

[Darkmon_cns]

When i get my hands on Takashi Iizuka.

Thinking about it maybe just IDW said no? But it was certainly implied that Sega denied it

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

I mean at least Game Eggman has Sage to give him some semblance of an actual human personality.

Which I'm not going to lie: it's pretty funny, in a morbid sort of way, that SEGA wants us to think that the Eggman that unleashed the Metal Virus upon the world is the same Eggman from Sonic Frontiers. One of the unintended consequences of canonzing IDW, tbh.

The Metal Virus saga is a leftover plotline from the Archie comics. That's why it comes off as extreme even for this version of Eggman

At the very least, it shouldn't have been the first thing they did because it set the wrong expectations for the IDW series and now it may come off like they're gassed out

 

[Jimmy.robinson.5099]

Which is odd since repurposing certain elements from different continuitys to make a new game sounds easier than doing everything from scratch but I'm not a multi billion dollar company so what would I know.

For better or worse, the MCU does that pretty frequantly, and it worked out well enough for the first three phases. Though after that, um... yeah...

 

[Darkmon_cns]

For better or worse, the MCU does that pretty frequantly, and it worked out well enough for the first three phases. Though after that, um... yeah...

They went beyond there plan and didn't have a new one, there was no direction and directors just wanted to make there own movies (omnipotent city should never have made it into the mcu...it's a terrible retcon)

 

[Omegabronic]

He doesn't thrive on anyone's pointless torture though (except Sonic's in Forces, and even then it seemed pretty mild). When he captured professor Pickle in Unleashed, Tails was convinced Eggman was feeding him because "Even he's not that cruel". Turns out he was feeding him very good looking food

.....has Archie Eggman even tried, or succeeded, in multiversal "infinite lives lost" genocide?

I mean at least Game Eggman has Sage to give him some semblance of an actual human personality.

Which I'm not going to lie: it's pretty funny, in a morbid sort of way, that SEGA wants us to think that the Eggman that unleashed the Metal Virus upon the world is the same Eggman from Sonic Frontiers. One of the unintended consequences of canonzing IDW, tbh.

I mean.....Sage talks about killing Sonic, Ian said that if anything, she is going to make him worse as he would destroy continents if she asked for example

 

[Roun12]

.....has Archie Eggman even tried, or succeeded, in multiversal "infinite lives lost" genocide?

The Super Genesis Wave, technically.

 

[Issen_Mk_III]

That's Omnicide.

 

[Darkmon_cns]

I have some doubts about Flynn saying to ignore things that counterdict the games, at the end of the day he dosen't decide how canon the comic is Sega dose, and Sega called it canon. As well... dose anyone know where it came from? It's the kind of thing to say around issue 1 yet- the comic wasn't made canon until after the metal virus ark.

 

[Theuser789]

I'm not entirely sure, in theory eggman isn't in a cage anywhere, he's just hanging out at the start of what looks like a cyberspace stage, maybe he'd be able to leave if he somehow did the stage lol

Eggman isn't in a cage because Sage didn't want to put her father in one. He was still stuck and only escaped after Sonic broke all the seals.

 

[Alexander]

Also if it was that easy to escape, you know, "you need skills"then the End would not be trapped for thousends of years

 

[Darkmon_cns]

Also if it was that easy to escape, you know, "you need skills"then the End would not be trapped for thousends of years

Isn't the end like, in some other reality inside of cyberspace? Isn't that part of how he has 1-C?

 

[Alexander]

Isn't the end like, in some other reality inside of cyberspace? Isn't that part of how he has 1-C?

no, The end is in Cyberspace, but it can still contact the other plane

 

[Darkmon_cns]

no, The end is in Cyberspace, but it can still contact the other plane

Dang guess he's too big to parkour well

 

[Darkmon_cns]

Just imagine him fumbling jumps because he cirshes the springs and boost pads it's too funny

 

[Theuser789]

Isn't the end like, in some other reality inside of cyberspace? Isn't that part of how he has 1-C?

The End was sealed inside Supreme, who was then sealed in Cyberspace.

 

[JJSliderman]

I assumed the reason cyberspace was so hard to escape was because of the Rhea towers.

 

[Alexander]

I assumed the reason cyberspace was so hard to escape was because of the Rhea towers.

Never confirmed

 

[JJSliderman]

But, wasn’t the End immediately unsealed after deactivating the towers?

 

[Theuser789]

I assumed the reason cyberspace was so hard to escape was because of the Rhea towers.

Cyberspace is hard to escape because it's sealing. Sonic can escape it because he's just him. The stages and everything is just gameplay, and mostly Sonic's memories interacting with Cyberspace. It's not something anyone can do.

The End was unsealed after the first three Titans were defeated, and the seals at Rhea were undone.

 

[ShakeResounding]

But, wasn’t the End immediately unsealed after deactivating the towers?

It broke the "wall between dimensions", so yes in OG Frontiers and yes by the end of Another Story. You'd still need to Dimensional Travel out of it, if Cyber Corruption doesn't flood into you first and forces your existence to become virtual

 

[JJSliderman]

Ofc you need to dimension travel out of it, I was just wondering if the prospect of escaping cyberspace for those with DT being difficult was inherent to it or just from the towers.

Sort of applies to null space too, Sonic does have inherent dimensional travel, but both the Camelot and Arabian Nights instances are offscreen and unexplained, and the SA2 variant requires seven special rings to unlock the stage. So Sonic having inherent DT and thus null space requiring “enhanced” dimensional travel, is something I’m unsure about.

 

[Theuser789]

There's also Sonic's boost in Rush creating portals to Special Stages.

 

[JJSliderman]

Doesn’t he have to spin around the special posts to do that?

 

[Theuser789]

Doesn’t he have to spin around the special posts to do that?

I don't think there's anything saying the posts are special. You can just argue that's the only place in the game Sonic can gather enough speed to travel.

 

[JJSliderman]

As soon as you start spinning around the generator, an energy portal spawns above it.

 

[Snek]

The preview pages dropped for idw issue 75 and now swings from amys hammer can't so much as dent a vault door. Also Rough and Tumble are stuck in a regular jail cell again.

 

[Theuser789]

As soon as you start spinning around the generator, an energy portal spawns above it.

Yeah, but that can just be because of Sonic's speed. Is it ever stated the posts are special in nature?

 

[Omegabronic]

I have some doubts about Flynn saying to ignore things that counterdict the games, at the end of the day he dosen't decide how canon the comic is Sega dose, and Sega called it canon. As well... dose anyone know where it came from? It's the kind of thing to say around issue 1 yet- the comic wasn't made canon until after the metal virus ark.

......Ian is a aswering with Sega's direction in mind

 

[JJSliderman]

Yeah, but that can just be because of Sonic's speed. Is it ever stated the posts are special in nature?

I’d kind of assume they are, as Sonic boosting anywhere else fails to open the stage, and the manual describes them as “special generators”.

 

[Omegabronic]

Ofc you need to dimension travel out of it, I was just wondering if the prospect of escaping cyberspace for those with DT being difficult was inherent to it or just from the towers.

why can't be both? It is quite irrelevant tbh, it isn't like anyone inside CS would be able to deactivate the Towers anyhow

Sort of applies to null space too,

No it doesn't, that is outside of all of the cosmology, DT won't do squat without range

Sonic does have inherent dimensional travel, but both the Camelot and Arabian Nights instances are offscreen and unexplained

Aka we go with the least assumption, that Sonic used his inherent DT to go back, just like he did in the Classic Era to go to the Sleeping Egg Zone and Aqua Planet

, and the SA2 variant requires seven special rings to unlock the stage. So Sonic having inherent DT and thus null space requiring “enhanced” dimensional travel, is something I’m unsure about.

.......he ran to another dimension, that you really cannot possibly deny

 

[The_Unknown_Warrior1]

The preview pages dropped for idw issue 75 and now swings from amys hammer can't so much as dent a vault door. Also Rough and Tumble are stuck in a regular jail cell again.

You know, I acknowledge that IDW and the writers of the Sonic comic aren't focusing on power scaling when writing their stories. But I can't help but look at the Urban Warfare arc, remembering that Amy was able to crush a Egg Hammer with its own hammer with help from Silver, and question how Amy would struggle with a vault door when she's done much more impressive in the actual comic itself.

Now I understand why some people think that the IDW comics becoming canon was both a blessing and a curse

 

[Snek]

You know, I acknowledge that IDW and the writers of the Sonic comic aren't focusing on power scaling when writing their stories. But I can't help but look at the Urban Warfare arc, remembering that Amy was able to crush a Egg Hammer with its own hammer with help from Silver, and question how Amy would struggle with a vault door when she's done much more impressive in the actual comic itself.

Now I understand why some people think that the IDW comics becoming canon was both a blessing and a curse

Do you guys remember how mario got nerfed due to antifeats. Well if this keeps up we may have to go the way of death battle and nerf base Sonic to 7C.

 

[Theuser789]

I’d kind of assume they are, as Sonic boosting anywhere else fails to open the stage, and the manual describes them as “special generators”.

They are the only place that Sonic can gather enough speed in one place, so that explains they being "special" and why Sonic can't do it in other places.