Sonic General Discussion Zone Act 1: New Frontiers

[Theuser789]

Are you saying this wikia wants to remove variable tier in general?

 

[Darkmon_cns]

Are you saying this wikia wants to remove variable tier in general?

No I don't understand how your even getting this

The staff I mean think the variables tier is used because the super form is inconsistent and therefore it's full power is all those tiers at once, they don't want to remove it or anything.

 

[0ホルスファルコン将軍0]

Death Battle mischaracterizes characters based on wonderfully bad media literacy, completely misunderstands basic Sonic lore, and spitefully mock and humiliate Sonic characters and yet I am supposed to like the episode simply because the animator tried his hardest to add some Sonic hype in the episode? Nah. Moro tried but he couldn't save this episode from being basically Mario vs Sonic 2 Villain Edition. If the animation was like the latter people would realize this. Moro saved this episode.

You REALLY are on your hater arc.

 

[Darkmon_cns]

I just wanted to make the distinct clear and made sure it was known such a revision was probably going to become a thread in the future, if you all think it's a none threat I feel I already did everything I could.

 

[Theuser789]

No I don't understand how your even getting this

The staff I mean think the variables tier is used because the super form is inconsistent and therefore it's full power is all those tiers at once, they don't want to remove it or anything.

We don't use variable because super forms are inconsistent, but because we believe that's a mechanic in-universe. If it gets removed we will just have Super Sonic grow in power between each era.

 

[Darkmon_cns]

We don't use variable because super forms are inconsistent, but because we believe that's a mechanic in-universe. If it gets removed we will just have Super Sonic grow in power between each era.

Well I guess forget about it I'm not sure how to convey this to you in a way you'd understand

 

[JJSliderman]

We don't use variable because super forms are inconsistent, but because we believe that's a mechanic in-universe. If it gets removed we will just have Super Sonic grow in power between each era.

Good idea.

Make classic super forms pre-Mania massively above Brown Dwarf, Adventure super forms 2-C scaling off PC, super forms post ‘06 1-C.

Or, use PC’s statements to make adventure super forms varying degrees of 1-C

 

[ShakeResounding]

Make classic super forms pre-Mania massively above Brown Dwarf, Adventure super forms 2-C scaling off PC, super forms post ‘06 1-C.

Pretty sure the 128x multiplier would be applied onto the High 5-A value they scale to ala Emerl with 4-B, no idea where that'd be off the top of my head tho

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Adventure Era Super Forms could probably be Low 1-C due to Void and Illumina.

 

[ShakeResounding]

Doing quick numbers, 128x the Classic Cast's High 5-A (160.62318833674365 Ronnatons) value is 205 Quettatons (4-C) unless I got it wrong

 

[Theuser789]

Good idea.

Make classic super forms pre-Mania massively above Brown Dwarf, Adventure super forms 2-C scaling off PC, super forms post ‘06 1-C.

Or, use PC’s statements to make adventure super forms varying degrees of 1-C

Pre-Mania super forms would only affect the Final Weapon in terms of scaling.

 

[JJSliderman]

Adventure Era Super Forms could probably be Low 1-C due to Void and Illumina.

They don’t really have any correlation or reason to scale until ‘06 or Rush Adventure

 

[Omegabronic]

The revision will literally be about rejecting that mechanic as a componet that isn't going to work

what "revision"? how would they reject that even? what are the arguments?

 

[Omegabronic]

No I don't understand how your even getting this

The staff I mean think the variables tier is used because the super form is inconsistent and therefore it's full power is all those tiers at once, they don't want to remove it or anything.

........they are wrong then, are they aware of the mechanic for the varied ratings we use?

 

[Omegabronic]

Good idea.

Make classic super forms pre-Mania massively above Brown Dwarf, Adventure super forms 2-C scaling off PC, super forms post ‘06 1-C.

Or, use PC’s statements to make adventure super forms varying degrees of 1-C

the base power of 7 Emeralds is still 2-C, their minimum cannot be bellow 2-C

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

They don’t really have any correlation or reason to scale until ‘06 or Rush Adventure

Mainly just how much he’s hyped up during Heroes.

Eggman believes he can’t be beaten without the Chaos Emeralds and even with them it would take “a miracle” (2:02), despite coveting them for their “unimaginable” power. That should bare minimum put Eggman’s knowledge of the Chaos Emeralds’ peak above Maginaryworld stuff based on how we currently use the unimaginable power scan. Even if Metal Overlord is downgraded through the idea that Team Sonic aren’t using the actual peak of the Chaos Emeralds, they should still be using what is believed to be their peak at the time based on the reasonings currently used for 1-C Metal Overlord.

Outside of that, Metal Overlord needing to be hit by Team Blasts to be damaged and a comment from Tails about him being “invincible” (12:44) could put him at a similar level to Void as well. Even if Sonic and Co. used the environment to attack Void, I feel the context around Metal Overlord could still put him higher.

I feel like this logic is solid enough, at least for a "possibly" rating.

 

[Omegabronic]

They don’t really have any correlation or reason to scale until ‘06 or Rush Adventure

Chaos Emeralds = Ultimate Power + Eggman's statements about MO's power being so high that only the Chaos Emeralds have a chance against him + "unimaginable power" statement Eggman made for the Emeralds pre MO that would make them scale above Void and Illumina

 

[ShakeResounding]

They don’t really have any correlation or reason to scale until ‘06 or Rush Adventure

The Precioustone's existence is granted by the Chaos Emeralds being its supersubstance

 

[Issen_Mk_III]

But she couldn’t predict Super Sonic so she's fodder! Death Battle said so! (Me when I am in misunderstanding a children's story competition and my opponent is Death Battle: )

Joke's on them. Nothing can predict what Super Sonic embodies conceptually. I'll give them a hint, it certainly isn't "order".

 

[Darkmon_cns]

........they are wrong then, are they aware of the mechanic for the varied ratings we use?

From the context I saw this in the answer is seemingly yes they just disagree with it. Sorry I tried hard to explain this but I'm just kinda burnt out now, I hope things go well for you

 

[Darkmon_cns]

It just occurred to me in askshadow, sonic asking who black doom was was making fun of shadow for losing his memorys--