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Why Nega actually.
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Sonic General Discussion Zone Act 1: New Frontiers
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Sir, this is a Wendy's.
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Nega turned his ancestor into a card and nothing happened to him.
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No, it's closer to something like "I was proven right", but I understand now
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I gotta admit, this was me but for Rouge's first string of NPC dialogue right before Shadow fights Black Doom
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Right…
Unless Sonic timeline changes are delayed and thus nothing happened because the timestream just, knew that Eggman would be fine by the end.
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Right... (jkjk I'm just teasing)
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I did just see that argument regarding why Silver’s timeline wasn’t fixed by saving Elise from the egg carrier, it happens.
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So wouldn't that show that MW Theory is a thing in the Sonic series? If Silver going back to the past didn't actually change the future, instead creating a separate timeline from his own.
And before you point out: yes, I know that SEGA's stance on time travel in more modern media is more like traditional time travel story. I just wanted to point out that tidbit
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Not related to scaling shit but since Archie was mentioned, I felt like giving an opinion dump of sorts.
What do I think of Archie overall? I mean it didn't help in discourse on how the characters should act in canon, and it's got some really cringey and rocky lows. But as separate media that's essentially just fanfiction? It's alright. It's got some badass peaks, and cool things done with the world and even characters. I just know to thankfully separate it from the games as its own thing, knowing the differences between them.
Anyways that's my opinion dump, might comment on another topic later.
What do I think of Archie overall? I mean it didn't help in discourse on how the characters should act in canon, and it's got some really cringey and rocky lows. But as separate media that's essentially just fanfiction? It's alright. It's got some badass peaks, and cool things done with the world and even characters. I just know to thankfully separate it from the games as its own thing, knowing the differences between them.
Anyways that's my opinion dump, might comment on another topic later.
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I think there’s a disconnect between Jp and English, in JP Gerald mentions returning to his own timeline, while English uses time point.
Fact is a lot of many worlds evidence is like, the CD Manual, Runners/Speed Simulator, lot of stuff that seemingly contradicts things like Sonic getting affected by a time paradox (at least temporarily) in ‘06 being the basis for the ending.
Fact is a lot of many worlds evidence is like, the CD Manual, Runners/Speed Simulator, lot of stuff that seemingly contradicts things like Sonic getting affected by a time paradox (at least temporarily) in ‘06 being the basis for the ending.
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Silver's future is an alternate timeline in 06
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Yeah, I gotta make sure to explain the fact they use jikanjiku and not jiten in translations next time
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I like the Archie explanation that the more a person travels through time, they eventually become disconnected from the timestream. I hope they can borrow it to the games as well as they did with Abe
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I really don't like the current idea because it just comes with a lot of plot convenience and attaching Silver to the present without elaborating on the future world in which he existsI like the Archie explanation that the more a person travels through time, they eventually become disconnected from the timestream. I hope they can borrow it to the games as well as they did with Abe
It's like after 06, they wanted to put in a time traveler character and he was the one who basically already had the label
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I think a good majority of Archie felt pretty cringe and weird with some diamonds in the rough within and it only got generally alright once Ian Flynn took the reigns and even then, it was a rocky start due to what he was left with as well as some general blunders. Overall? I think Archie had way too much packed into it, but never enough time or ambition to see those ideas and cool concepts through to the end and, as a result, it made quite a few plotlines feel half-baked, unfinished, or just plain bad. The concepts were there, but it often was not capitalized on or executed well at all.
Then there's also the whole "Archie Sonic is the true Sonic" bit they tried to pass off, which I disliked since Games Sonic and Archie Sonic are completely different beasts. Archie Sonic often falls in-line with societal normality with his close budding with monarchy and being so tied to stuff like that when he prides himself on being as free as the wind. However, despite that and him being a part of the Freedom Fighters, he cuks down to authority a lot. Like when Naugus became King of Mobius and he was sulking about how he couldn't do anything cuz Naugus was king and he made the rules and really just gave up. Meanwhile Sonic in Black Knight wouldn't care about literally any of that cuz if there's an evil king, he'd just beat them up/kill them if he had a say in the matter. Archie Sonic is just a far cry from what he's prided to be. Hell, he even BECOMES someone in the system by becoming a king and active political figure in the comics. Just seems contradictory to me. There's other examples as well, but we'd be here all day. I mainly just prefer Games Sonic in terms of character.
I also feel like a lot of the Games' lowest lows are much higher than Archie's lowest lows. Same for their highs. Their adaptations of game material are horribly jarring (like Sonic Adventure 1, Sonic Adventure 2, Shadow 05, Unleashed, etc) since they tend to not translate well if at all. If they did a better job at that, I might enjoy it more, but due to a lot of other factors, I don't know if it'd make me LIKE the comics exactly.
Then there's the constant relationship drama within the comic that I feel was just exhausting to read and seeing Sonic being a bit of a playboy felt kind of wrong. Along with the Sonic-Tails drama in the comic as well. I disliked all of that. Don't even get me started on Bunnie Rabbot being used by Scourge under false-pretenses, which was just icky to me. Did not like that one bit. Then there's the whole meta-stuff that was caused on account of Archie's constant insistence on romance that caused fandom ship drama, but I can't entirely blame Archie for that. People are responsible for their own actions. Even then, it doesn't stop this relationship drama stuff from being rather unnecessary. It's almost one of the bigger reasons why Sonic Team doesn't touch that stuff on mandate.
As a final thing, the King Shadow Arc of Archie was just plain horrible character assassination that, honestly, spelled the beginning of the end in terms of public perception of Shadow and especially Archie Shadow, who was arguably one of the best or THE best characterized one in that comic. I give credit where credit is due and they did a fine job with Shadow mostly. It's unfortunate they hardly did much with him aside from the Sonic Universe comics (which he played a much bigger role in), but when he was on-panel, he had good character moments and wasn't just edgelord schlock that we'd THEN see in later years.
In conclusion, I think Archie is flawed, but decent as a comic when looking at it as a whole. A lot of its bad stuff I feel lasted far too long sometimes and its good moments were rather fleeting. But that's fine if anyone likes the comic. I may not like Archie, but I won't be completely unfair to it. Anything has some amount of value or charm, even if you don't enjoy it. People should enjoy what they want to enjoy.
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But Silver already is? IDW makes it more clear
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On the topic of Archie Sonic: I don't know if I'm part of a majority who share the same opinion or not, but I really only like a couple of arcs and stories in the Pre Genesis Wave era. Other than that, I think the Post Genesis Wave era of Archie Sonic is much better than the Pre Genesis era.
If, for the most basic of reasons, it trimmed down a lot of the overbloated fat of the Pre Genesis era and streamlined it to be more in line with the games while still having its own identity.
If, for the most basic of reasons, it trimmed down a lot of the overbloated fat of the Pre Genesis era and streamlined it to be more in line with the games while still having its own identity.
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I specifically meant the explanation, whatever happens currently on Sonic is just never explained (At best as an acknowledgment).
I recall Ian talking about it before and even using that explanation, but he didn't remember it was from the Archie encyclopedia. So, maybe it goes on to be something they just use thinking it was always the case, like how they incorporated the Post-SGW explanation for Sonic Advance 3 into the Encyclo-speed-ia.
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My head canon is that Eggman found the remains of the Time Eater and salvaged what was left to escape. That's all I could think of to be honest.
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I feel the same. Only a handful of Pre-SGW stuff I felt like were any good with Post-SGW getting better and better in my opinion. Pre-SGW also just had a lot of bloat as you said with way too many characters that would soon become throwaways, way too many concepts that were never elaborated on, and generally bad adaptations of the game material. Honestly, I think a better version of a Pre-SGW Archie just feels like the Fleetway Comics. Even if a lot of it goes off canon stuff, it has interesting and cool new concepts that are often overlooked in favor of the Evil Super Sonic. It feels, ironically-enough, fresh and I enjoy it quite a bit.
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Silver having acausality makes a lot of sense. I just really wish they did away with the time travel after 06 entirely
06's time travel is one thing. It's not inherently difficult to understand, but it's barely given an explanation. Though at least we know the how
Can't say the same for post-06 Silver. He can just travel through time on his own now, apparently
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Post SGW stories like Shadow Fall, in my opinion, are vastly better than the vast majority of the Pre SGW stories. It remains not only one of my favorite stories in the Archie comic period, but it's also one of my favorite pieces of media involving Shadow the Hedgehog.
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in 06 Time Travel also made Silver's future a separated timeline, at most this shows Sonic a weird time paradox ability
also no, the MW Evidence is also like.....the blatant statement of Tailstube 4
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It did know, yeah, I just have been having a hard time explaining it to people because of how many Sonic stories involve changing the past to fix the future, plus the re-retcon of Classic being back from the past.
Well Tails was just speculating there, think Ian even says so. And that seems moreso referring to the idea of infinite Sonic variants, as opposed to new timelines being created to stop time paradoxes
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except we know he is right as.....06 and CD shows us, and he said "possibilities" to explain why there would be so many Sonics, aka possibilities become other realities
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‘06 and CD just show that changes to the past and possibilities can make new timelines, not hard confirming an infinite amount.
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How many possibillities are there in "the past" (which really applies to any point in time)?
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I heard it was good, too. But yeah, Pre-SGW stuff just felt way all-over-the-place for my liking. It felt like modern day comics with interconnected plotlines that go nowhere, but with Archie it was with nameless nobody characters a lot of the time that they created specifically for certain arcs that end up just being forgotten.
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???????? when did i said they did confirmed an infinite amount?
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You mentioned that ‘06 and CD prove Tails right, when in reality proving Tails right would require more solidifying of infinite timelines.
Think someone calced it as a dummy large number
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"When transported to an unknown dimension, Shadow must race through the streets of modern-day Shibuya to defeat the forces of G.U.N."
Official description for the Sonic 3 DLC has been revealed. So this pretty much means that the movie Sonic universe is part of the Game Sonic multiverse, huh?
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......it does prove him right in the sense of "possibilities become other universes", the infinite part is purely about just how high the possibilities could be.......altho, i have plans about that
just need to find time to fix many profiles after a certain thread passes
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