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Sonic General Discussion Zone Act 1: New Frontiers

RedReaper616 said:
I mean I doubt Ian is going to do anything like that. However, if I was to worry about "one thing" he'd change, it's Sonic's speed. Specifcally the fact Sonic speed is just so fast it fixes Space and Time. I imagine he'd make it more like hax instead, because that was how he interpreted it when it came down to how it cured the Metal Virus. That's not me putting words in his mouth, either. When asked how Sonic's speed prevented sickness, he replied "Sonic's speed is magic" or something along those lines and used Generations as an example. But again, I doubt he'd make such a decision. Ian hates powerscaling and escalation, but he also loves it in other stories. I think people misconstrue his dislike into active hatred, when in reality it's just the sensible writer dislike of how a character's powers warp the story and force very contrived as well as difficult to write scenarions to maintain stakes and drama (Ex. Gege and his rants on Gojo.)

He doesn't hate spectacle or escalation, he hates having to write around it.
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Well that is a Skill issue he has, and i HOPE, he does not change it to not make it be part of Sonic
 
Separating this because of spoilers

Seems like Mephiles is aware of the timeline erasure and wants to return to existence, so he fights against Shadow in hopes of getting back to the existing world... Now I want to make Shadow lose because I want Mephiles back. Anyway, if Mephiles actually is coming back from his erasure from 06, I wouldn't be surprised if they could say that the bosses are not the ones at the time of the games, but "present" from their point of view for the respective era. In that case it could be possible that they could say Perfect Chaos is just present-day chaos that somehow became Perfect due to time distortions, but not the actually empowered by the Chaos Emeralds version.
 
Peptocoptr27 said:
Huh? Nerf how? If it's something like "Perfect Chaos isn't actually using the full power of thr emeralds", that's actually good. One less 1-C outlier, and one more 2-C feat for consistancy. Same as before. Right now, there's actually debate as to whether or not PC should 1-C
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And hey as someone who buys an even level of power P.Chaos not actually being P.Chaos level would work for me too
 
Executor_N0 said:
Separating this because of spoilers

Seems like Mephiles is aware of the timeline erasure and wants to return to existence, so he fights against Shadow in hopes of getting back to the existing world... Now I want to make Shadow lose because I want Mephiles back. Anyway, if Mephiles actually is coming back from his erasure from 06, I wouldn't be surprised if they could say that the bosses are not the ones at the time of the games, but "present" from their point of view for the respective era. In that case it could be possible that they could say Perfect Chaos is just present-day chaos that somehow became Perfect due to time distortions, but not the actually empowered by the Chaos Emeralds version.
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OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH.
Show me...
 
Issen_Mk_III said:
More along the lines of making Sonic say "huh,that Perfect Chaos was nowhere near as strong as the original."
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Man that would be goofy. Because there's a problem with that scenario that's obvious if you think about it for two seconds

Why would Sonic charge at Perfect Chaos if he didn't know beforehand that he was nerfed? Like it really dosent matter that much if this change happens since either way Sonic looked at PC and thought to himself. Ya I got this which implies he could beat full power PC anyways.
 
Snek said:
Man that would be goofy. Because there's a problem with that scenario that's obvious if you think about it for two seconds

Why would Sonic charge at Perfect Chaos if he didn't know beforehand that he was nerfed? Like it really dosent matter that much if this change happens since either way Sonic looked at PC and thought to himself. Ya I got this which implies he could beat full power PC anyways.
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Time Eater does one-shot him early in Generations and Sonic still tries attacking it near the end, in his base form. So, in this game, he does already have a precedent for "hell, why not".
I imagine the actual reason would be something along the lines of "If I don't at least try, then we're screwed, because right now I'm the only one who can", or something.
 
Executor_N0 said:
Separating this because of spoilers

Seems like Mephiles is aware of the timeline erasure and wants to return to existence, so he fights against Shadow in hopes of getting back to the existing world... Now I want to make Shadow lose because I want Mephiles back. Anyway, if Mephiles actually is coming back from his erasure from 06, I wouldn't be surprised if they could say that the bosses are not the ones at the time of the games, but "present" from their point of view for the respective era. In that case it could be possible that they could say Perfect Chaos is just present-day chaos that somehow became Perfect due to time distortions, but not the actually empowered by the Chaos Emeralds version.
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That still makes no sense to me rn, but I'll have to see how it actually unfolds.
 
MysticMania said:
Time Eater does one-shot him early in Generations and Sonic still tries attacking it near the end, in his base form.
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Huh guess your right. Unless he thought the emeralds would repel Time Eater like he saw them do earlier. But that's quite a stretch and Sonic fumbled if that was his plan.

But realistically the writers just didn't think about this.
 
Executor_N0 said:
Separating this because of spoilers

Seems like Mephiles is aware of the timeline erasure and wants to return to existence, so he fights against Shadow in hopes of getting back to the existing world... Now I want to make Shadow lose because I want Mephiles back. Anyway, if Mephiles actually is coming back from his erasure from 06, I wouldn't be surprised if they could say that the bosses are not the ones at the time of the games, but "present" from their point of view for the respective era. In that case it could be possible that they could say Perfect Chaos is just present-day chaos that somehow became Perfect due to time distortions, but not the actually empowered by the Chaos Emeralds version.
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Do any of the leaks say anything about Shadow's reaction to Mephiles and if he doesn't know who he is or not? Because given some of the subtle examples throughout the years of Sonic still remembering 06, I am curious to know how the game's going to handle Mephiles since Shadow wouldn't know who he is due to paradoxes.
 
Omegabronic said:
i am a Bumblekast serious watcher, so i say.....never heard of this, do you know which is that from? cause i legit don't remember him ever saying anything remotely close to that
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A long time ago,like 5 or 6 years. I'll admit I might be misremembering what he said exactly,but I do remember him alluding to him changing certain aspects of that encounter(nerfing Perfect Chaos).
MysticMania said:
Yeah, quickly going through the master list (specifically 2020-present), I can't find this.


I did find this funny question, though.
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I might be misrembering the specifics,I'll look for it. It was longer ago than that though,like 5 or 6 years.
 
I did find one in which someone asks something akin to "I get a feeling Ian doesn't like base Sonic beating Perfect Chaos in Generations". And then Ian does say that he isn't into it, and it feels like Eggman's wrecking ball from Sonic 1 beating Super Sonic, as an example. He also talks about not liking when a final boss is able to damage Super Sonic, as he feels it sort of takes away from what Super is, for him.

But, this doesn't end up discussing the potential "how" of Gens. Sonic beating Gens. Perfect Chaos. So, it may still not be what you're looking for.
 
You'd be wise to remember that not every detail or word of the answers are actually on the Master List. You'd a
Have to scour through them forever.
 
Theuser789 said:
Literally every single interview said Time Eater destroyed all of space and time, so there's no reason to doompost about this. I am more worried about the characterization issues and the fandub feeling.
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I look at it, and there is no problem really, because at least we have character dialogue and not just the characters talking with sonic being silent
 
I think some of y'all are acting way too paranoid just because Ian Flynn thinks a bit differently than we do. I mean this is the same guy who said that Sonic was Mach 1 in Frontiers, but Frontiers is the same game which gave us the Titans, The End, Starfall Super Sonic, and crazy shit like base Sonic tanking attacks from Supreme using rings.

Regardless of what Ian ends up doing and saying in Sonic x Shadow Generations, I have no doubt that there's going to be something that retroactively bumps up the series regardless if it was intentional or not.
 
The_Unknown_Warrior1 said:
I think some of y'all are acting way too paranoid just because Ian Flynn thinks a bit differently than we do. I mean this is the same guy who said that Sonic was Mach 1 in Frontiers, but Frontiers is the same game which gave us the Titans, The End, Starfall Super Sonic, and crazy shit like base Sonic tanking attacks from Supreme using rings.

Regardless of what Ian ends up doing and saying in Sonic x Shadow Generations, I have no doubt that there's going to be something that retroactively bumps up the series regardless if it was intentional or not.
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That’s what I was saying. Ian literally only dislikes scale because he has to write around absurdity. Hell, he’s mentioned verbatim in the BK he’d be okay with it if he could make it temporary. And what do we see these characters doing in the new games? Getting temporary “OP” amps. Frontiers, Superstars, and Shadow Generations all share in that trend. He’s literally writing it in as he says he would.
 
RedReaper616 said:
That’s what I was saying. Ian literally only dislikes scale because he has to write around absurdity. Hell, he’s mentioned verbatim in the BK he’d be okay with it if he could make it temporary. And what do we see these characters doing in the new games? Getting temporary “OP” amps. Frontiers, Superstars, and Shadow Generations all share in that trend.
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We have other games with temporary things that only happer once
 
RedReaper616 said:
That’s what I was saying. Ian literally only dislikes scale because he has to write around absurdity. Hell, he’s mentioned verbatim in the BK he’d be okay with it if he could make it temporary. And what do we see these characters doing in the new games? Getting temporary “OP” amps. Frontiers, Superstars, and Shadow Generations all share in that trend. He’s literally writing it in as he says he would.
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Ian just fed up with certain people parroting powerscaling questions in his bumblekast videos, he will say anything to make them stfu
 
SB asked him about conceptual stuff in Generations again in a BK and Ian said "just play SXShadow Gens when it comes out". NGL, very understantable reponse.
 
Fireld said:
SB asked him about conceptual stuff in Generations again in a BK and Ian said "just play SXShadow Gens when it comes out". NGL, very understantable reponse.
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Wait really? Hold on
"Ian? What can you definitely say that the Eggmen/Time Eater erased In Generations? Like: Things? Concepts? Pasts? The “Speed-ia” Included “Reality”?"
Who the **** asks this kind of question and doesn't think powerscaling is his whole personality
 
Sonic fans never stop to surprise me, they actually started to pin Ian on twitter while discussing the leaks and using that to criticize his work (Even though they didn't play it so they don't know the context, or even what he had to work with). The same day Pokémon had 1 terabyte of leaked information and I have seen Pokémon fans also doing stupid things, why can't those fanbases be "more normal" to how they react to this stuff.
 
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