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Sonic General Discussion Zone Act 1: New Frontiers

It would be funny if Overlord wins again with all the copied data, which would also make Metal vs Zero look even more like shit than it already does.

(Nah,he'll get taken out by a ninji)
 
I think the main issue with Bowser stealing stuff is

1) After that doesn't work, I don't see Bowser or Kamek trying again because they have no reason to assume their powers would suddenly become viable (assuming you ignore how Eggman can likely make his Hammerspace defense perpetual), so it becomes functionally irrelevant outside of the fact it creates the opportunity for Metal to the copy Bowser's whole powerset.

2) Bowser almost never leads with hammerspace. If he was to lead with any hax, it would be transmutation. Further, Bowser is a much more physical enemy. While Bowser HAS started fights with hax before, his COMMON preference is using his physical might and flame breath, and THEN resorting to all kinds of magic when that fails. (Of which it fails often.)

3) Eggman can resist it himself via the Forcejewels, something consistently overlooked, meaning he should be fine at LEAST the first few times if you ignore how Egghead could make it perpetual.

4) Eggman can steal back via a variety of ways.

5) As of Sonic Forces: Speed Battle, Metal's steal gives him a superior version of what he takes. Meaning if Bowser stole the Phantom Ruby and then Eggman stole it back, Eggman would be BETTER than battle start. Furthermore, if Metal steals from Bowser, HIS Star Rod would be superior.

6) Eggman can much more easily utilize the stuff he steals from Bowser (most of it any schmuck can use and they just grant wishes, and even ignoring that Eggman can simply use them as batteries or harness their energy for his ALREADY cosmic machines) than Bowser can from Eggman (The Phantom Ruby and Chaos Emeralds have specific requirements built in and require experience to draw out their powers to the fullest).

Conversely, while Bowser ALSO resists having his Hammerspace stolen from, I don't think he can resist stuff being outright deleted, or stuff being implanted on him, meaning Eggman would probably have advantage (for all the good it would do, as not many of Eggman's planted items could do in Bowser.) Essentially, it's irrelevant to the fight outside of furthering strategies.
 
Omegabronic said:
He can just......use a robot to pilot it for him lol
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The Phantom Ruby should cover just about any shortcoming or prerequisite in that regard,but I don't think it's going down like that. Even then,you are correct,Egg Robos and Mecha Sonic are fully capable of piloting his mechs.
 
ShakeResounding said:
Feminists can do no wrong
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I have no clue why you brought politics into this but I think I like you even more now.
Omegabronic said:
He can just......use a robot to pilot it for him lol
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Or his past self, as he's done literally that before with the Time Eater.
JJSliderman said:
Eggman stealing the star rod doesn’t count though, only Bowser can steal stuff.
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Eggman is incapable of stealing shit. The **** do you mean "Sonic Shuffle"? No one's ever played that. It's basically not canon/j
RedReaper616 said:
Conversely, while Bowser ALSO resists having his Hammerspace stolen from, I don't think he can resist stuff being outright deleted, or stuff being implanted on him, meaning Eggman would probably have advantage (for all the good it would do, as not many of Eggman's planted items could do in Bowser.) Essentially, it's irrelevant to the fight outside of furthering strategies.
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Eggman's hammerspace theft almost certainly works on those who hold Blockite, which makes it a layered anyway. I just need to find footage to prove it, which is really hard for an obscure game like Sonic Shuffle.
 
i wonder if they will count Prime's "I eat universe shattering explosions for breakfast thank you very much" feat from Sonic and scale Eggman to it
 
Peptocoptr27 said:
I can't believe how confidantly you assert that despite DC's absurdly expansive history and its countless cosmological components. Even this Wiki, still notorious for DC downplay, has Wally at 1-B, so this is already bullshit and we went over this.
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Geez calm down. Last time I checked, there was zero evidence that the Bleed was considered infinite dimensional. That was the basis of Wally West being outerversial due to the Speed Force being above the Bleed. Everywhere from the scans present and how it was described, it was considered either 4th dimensional to 5th dimensional due to it intertwining with Mr.Mxyzptlk's dimension. With the Speed Force above that same Bleed, that is where it got it's initial 6th dimensional classification from. That was one of the main reasonings onto why I initially classified Wally West as such.

Now this whole 1-B stuff......I did not know about this. I just checked and found he and other Flashes have been upgraded to this tier due to Cosmology changes he is. I will concede there but him being Outerversial I thoroughly disagree with.
Peptocoptr27 said:
Not sure how high into 1-B he is here, but I do plan to upgrade Archie Sonic to 1-B as well if the current upgrade ends up failing. Still think Wally is probably slightly more likely to win than not, but it's really complicated and close.
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Well.....regardless of this, I still believe Archie is Low 1-A on the low-ball with an accurate tiering of 1-A thanks to that thread posted by Brogeefrong. Even if that doesn't get accepted, Archie still beats Wally if Arcihe is tiered to 1-B. His Super Form should at least put him and Wally on even footing but Ultra Sonic completely decimates him.
 
FaceOff81 said:
Geez calm down. Last time I checked, there was zero evidence that the Bleed was considered infinite dimensional. That was the basis of Wally West being outerversial due to the Speed Force being above the Bleed. Everywhere from the scans present and how it was described, it was considered either 4th dimensional to 5th dimensional due to it intertwining with Mr.Mxyzptlk's dimension. With the Speed Force above that, that is where it got it's 6th dimensional classification from. That was one of the main arguments onto why Wally was initially classified as such.

Now this whole 1-B stuff......I did not know about this. I just checked and found he and other Flashes have been upgraded to this tier due to Cosmology changes he is. I will concede there but him being Outerversial I thoroughly disagree with.

Well.....regardless of this, I still believe Archie is Low 1-A on the low-ball end thanks to that thread posted by Brogeefrong. Even if that doesn't get accepted, Archie still beats Wally if he's tiered to 1-B. Super Form should at least put him and Wally on even footing but Ultra Sonic completely decimates him.
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Like I said, I'm done with the DC talk. Wally vs Sonic was how many years ago now? Time to move on.
 
Peptocoptr27 said:
Fair enough. This one just feels more relevant with the upcoming Bowser vs Eggman though
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If it’s Sonic related, I’d say it’s fair game. I do agree with it being my more relevant. Regardless, never watching let alone trusting their research ever again.
 
ShrekAnakin said:
The legends say he's a legendary DC, especially Flash scaler who has many characters higher than this site would have. He's the legend alright, but others on this thread know the legends of Greenshifter better than I do.
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I see. Why doesn’t he have a Cosmology Thread for DC Comics up on the site?
 
Theuser789 said:
I don't think there's actually any proof Ian is re-writting Gens. In fact, I remember Sega vetoing him into explaining how Eggman escaped White Space.
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My head-canon has always been Eggman N... >REDACTED< helped the classic and current eggheads escape White Space to ensure his future ambitions plus similar to a few characters he is acausal thus unaffected to changes in the timeline (or he has future tech that protected him from Time Eater) and in return they keep his meddling a secret and owe him one, for a future scheme at his choosing.
 
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