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Amm, didn't Ian lolnoped the idea of game verse and Archie verse sharing the cosmology.
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I mean in a meta sense, it's fitting the verse's ratings is chaotic and in flux from downplay to upgrades. The Sonic franchise being inconsistent is part of the chaos, nothing truly remains stable (even for a decent period of time)You once feared the Sonic downplay, and now you face the Sonic wank
We would need reasoning that Boom somehow survived the Super Genesis Wave.Because Pre-Genesis Wave Continuity contains an Uncountably Infinite Universes within its cosmology. That would mean Sonic Boom would be present in its cosmology as well especially when Sticks crossed over later on in Worlds Unite. Adding onto this Archie Eggman and Wily crossed over in Worlds Collide and Worlds Unite, I don’t see how Sonic Boom wouldn’t be included here as well.
I do agree with this, but I am doubtful on Archie and Mainline sharing a cosmology. And on this note, I am directly opposed to them sharing a multiverse, because of the Super Genesis Wave.Just a reminder that Solaris destroying "everything" "everywhen" would include the reality of the Pre-Genesis wave as well regardless
The SGW is a rewrite that exceeds everything in the cosmology, including all of time. This is a stretch.Just a reminder that Solaris destroying "everything" "everywhen" would include the reality of the Pre-Genesis wave as well regardless
Can we just... Not do any of that and stick to what we have?
I am against any cosmology scaling, too.
How about this? Assuming the ongoing Archie upgrade fails, I'll argue this for Archie and Boom without connecting them to the mainline games, and leave it at that for now. I'm not a huge fan of 1-B game Sonic. The only reason I have any interest in arguing for it is because I think the connections make sense enough for it to be at least a possibillity worth considering.I share the same thoughts as @Theuser789. All this cross-scaling cosmology and tier 1 hijinx is why I'm put off contributing to Sonic CRTs and choose to occasionally hang around here instead.
I think that's better since Archie canonically did crossover with Boom.How about this? Assuming the ongoing Archie upgrade fails, I'll argue this for Archie and Boom without connecting them to the mainline games, and leave it at that for now. I'm not a huge fan of 1-B game Sonic. The only reason I have any interest in arguing for it is because I think the connections make sense enough for it to be at least a possibillity worth considering.
The animated series and Sonic Boom 2: Fire & Ice are obviously canon to each other, since it has a chapter dedicated entirely to the final boss of that game (I mean the little robot), outside of that... I don't know about the two original Sonic Boom games, they contradict each other, and the closest thing to reference within the animated series is the existence of the elders and that Sonic has the energy rope that he receives in Rise of Lyric (I know that Sonic or Tails have it in chapter 1, although I don't remember seeing them use it after)I do agree with this, but I am doubtful on Archie and Mainline sharing a cosmology. And on this note, I am directly opposed to them sharing a multiverse, because of the Super Genesis Wave.
Also, I may have missed it, but what is the evidence for the Boom comic, game, and show being canon to each other?
there was a Sonic Dash archie comic issue iircThe animated series and Sonic Boom 2: Fire & Ice are obviously canon to each other, since it has a chapter dedicated entirely to the final boss of that game (I mean the little robot), outside of that... I don't know about the two original Sonic Boom games, they contradict each other, and the closest thing to reference within the animated series is the existence of the elders and that Sonic has the energy rope that he receives in Rise of Lyric (I know that Sonic or Tails have it in chapter 1, although I don't remember seeing them use it after)
I have no idea about the comics
and Sonic Dash 2: Sonic Boom directly has no reason to be canon (mobile game without any story, [or at least that's what I understand]) I mean, we don't consider the original Sonic Dash canon for base continuity (do we?)
Nah, Hypertimeline, it goes back to even things that never happened to begin with, so the PreSGW would be includedThe SGW is a rewrite that exceeds everything in the cosmology, including all of time. This is a stretch.
Just try the first one first, i think it makes senseHow about this? Assuming the ongoing Archie upgrade fails, I'll argue this for Archie and Boom without connecting them to the mainline games, and leave it at that for now. I'm not a huge fan of 1-B game Sonic. The only reason I have any interest in arguing for it is because I think the connections make sense enough for it to be at least a possibillity worth considering.
How exactly? Is it through the assumption Chaos Energy Cross-Scaling with each other?That's still a more or less baseless assumption considering the sheer scope of the changes caused by the SGW. If we were to go with your interpretation, every character from mainline Sonic, Boom, X, and Paramount would need a pre-Genesis Wave key and a post-Genesis Wave key (at least, assuming we also get Chaos energy cross-scaling in some cases).
there was a Sonic Dash archie comic issue iirc
In the cases of the Paramount and X versions, that would be the onlyy for those two keys to have any differences, but they would still technically have a pre-Genesis and post-Genesis version by your logicHow exactly? Is it through the assumption Chaos Energy Cross-Scaling with each other?
I don't see how Paramount is but we do know that Sonic X does have a Pre-Genesis Wave equivalent through the comic book series.In the cases of the Paramount and X versions, that would be the onlyy for those two keys to have any differences, but they would still technically have a pre-Genesis and post-Genesis version by your logic
YesThis is random but with Earth being bigger than ours, in Sonic, would the moon also be equivalently larger?
Can you please help us argue that within the current Blog?I agree.
I also still think Low 1-A has some validity via space-time superiority tbh
Ah, my bad. I'm not familiar with StH's plot. Which, in retrospect is especially evident, & arguably erroneous here, lol.It's just Black Doom messing with Shadow's mind like he does in his own game. We straight up see the man in the visions.
Is The Ark not the moon? It looked huge in the view of the sky.
No, it’s a space station. Which Eggman used to (laser) piss on the Moon. Very different.Is The Ark not the moon? It looked huge in the view of the sky.
I've already assisted on the creation of the blog, there's not much I got left to assist with unfortunatelyCan you please help us argue that within the current Blog?
This.Nightmare weirdness?
Black Doom is not at all technological, nor are the Shadow Clones that were made by Eggman the roboticist (or was it Gerald?) made?This.
Black Doom is biological, the Shadow Androids are technological.Black Doom is not at all technological, nor are the Shadow Clones that were made by Eggman the roboticist (or was it Gerald?) made?
Oh bother.I've already assisted on the creation of the blog, there's not much I got left to assist with unfortunately
I think it already does, currently.All this cross-scaling discussion got me thinking,wouldn't Pre & Post SGW scale to each other in general? Chaos energy technically created/destroyed the cosmology to be possibly 1-B/1-A,plus anything else in reality,haxes,abilities,etc. Pre-SGW was the demiurge for Post-SGW.
So, if you'll forgive my asking, please, if the Shadow Androids are technological, what makes it certain that the vision Shadow got, be it from Black Doom or otherwise, didn't mess with his possible Shadow Android inner-workings, hence why there was a glitch like in a damaged recording?Black Doom is biological, the Shadow Androids are technological.
During the final boss in Shadow the Hedgehog, Eggman explicitly confirms to Shadow that he is the real Shadow. He was just in a coma for awhile after he fell from space back down to Earth.So, if you'll forgive my asking, please, if the Shadow Androids are technological, what makes it certain that the vision Shadow got, be it from Black Doom or otherwise, didn't mess with his possible Shadow Android inner-workings, hence why there was a glitch like in a damaged recording?
How are we certain that this Shadow isn't an Android?
Heck, wasn't part of StH's plot about Shadow wanting to find out if he was the real one or not?
I understand this might be a bit redundant, are we certain Shadow the Hedgehog: Dark Beginnings is based on the Shadow the Hedgehog game, &/or that the protagonist is the real Shadow, though?During the final boss in Shadow the Hedgehog, Eggman explicitly confirms to Shadow that he is the real Shadow. He was just in a coma for awhile after he fell from space back down to Earth.
The Shadow Android plot point in Heroes was practically dropped after that game.