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Amm, didn't Ian lolnoped the idea of game verse and Archie verse sharing the cosmology.
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Sonic General Discussion Zone Act 1: New Frontiers
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I am against any cosmology scaling, too.
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I share the same thoughts as @Theuser789. All this cross-scaling cosmology and tier 1 hijinx is why I'm put off contributing to Sonic CRTs and choose to occasionally hang around here instead.
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You once feared the Sonic downplay, and now you face the Sonic wank
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I mean in a meta sense, it's fitting the verse's ratings is chaotic and in flux from downplay to upgrades. The Sonic franchise being inconsistent is part of the chaos, nothing truly remains stable (even for a decent period of time)
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We would need reasoning that Boom somehow survived the Super Genesis Wave.
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I do agree with this, but I am doubtful on Archie and Mainline sharing a cosmology. And on this note, I am directly opposed to them sharing a multiverse, because of the Super Genesis Wave.
Also, I may have missed it, but what is the evidence for the Boom comic, game, and show being canon to each other?
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Fire and Ice is canon to the show, not sure of the rest.
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The SGW is a rewrite that exceeds everything in the cosmology, including all of time. This is a stretch.
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How about this? Assuming the ongoing Archie upgrade fails, I'll argue this for Archie and Boom without connecting them to the mainline games, and leave it at that for now. I'm not a huge fan of 1-B game Sonic. The only reason I have any interest in arguing for it is because I think the connections make sense enough for it to be at least a possibillity worth considering.
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I've seen a convincing CSAP cosmology page for archie sonic that caps at baseline hyperversal with off-panel. Im not knowledgeable on archie though so i cant say for sure it's legit
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I think that's better since Archie canonically did crossover with Boom.
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The animated series and Sonic Boom 2: Fire & Ice are obviously canon to each other, since it has a chapter dedicated entirely to the final boss of that game (I mean the little robot), outside of that... I don't know about the two original Sonic Boom games, they contradict each other, and the closest thing to reference within the animated series is the existence of the elders and that Sonic has the energy rope that he receives in Rise of Lyric (I know that Sonic or Tails have it in chapter 1, although I don't remember seeing them use it after)
I have no idea about the comics
and Sonic Dash 2: Sonic Boom directly has no reason to be canon (mobile game without any story, [or at least that's what I understand]) I mean, we don't consider the original Sonic Dash canon for base continuity (do we?)
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there was a Sonic Dash archie comic issue iirc
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Nah, Hypertimeline, it goes back to even things that never happened to begin with, so the PreSGW would be included
Better to discuss this when the time comes tho
Just try the first one first, i think it makes sense
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As a reminder, low 2-C post genesis wave base cast was accepted but was never applied
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How exactly? Is it through the assumption Chaos Energy Cross-Scaling with each other?
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Eh well, my point stands, Sonic Dash 2 is still something alien to Sonic Dash 1, so the justification of one doesn't apply to the other (plus I still think that 1 is not canon)
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In the cases of the Paramount and X versions, that would be the onlyy for those two keys to have any differences, but they would still technically have a pre-Genesis and post-Genesis version by your logic
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I don't see how Paramount is but we do know that Sonic X does have a Pre-Genesis Wave equivalent through the comic book series.
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This is random but with Earth being bigger than ours, in Sonic, would the moon also be equivalently larger?
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Just saw Dark Beginnings episode 1. Was neat.
Maria's eyes often look oddly narrowed, but maybe I was just misreading her expressions?
Still, with most of her characterization being presented to us on consoles old enough to legally buy alcohol nowadays, it was nice to see it in a new way.
Although I can't help but feel amused by the strange line at the end.
"That was no nightmare. It happened while I was looking at The Ark!"
Shadow, did you not fall asleep laying face-up, on an unpollutedly starry sky of a remote location on a clear night? You'd definitely have a clear view of whatever the sky is, & the moon is visible nearly anywhere on Earth, if The Ark looks that huge, of course you'd be able to see it wherever you fell asleep!
Ergo, it could just be coincidence that he saw that "nightmare"/vision, since he'd definitely be able to see The Ark as long as he had a viewing angle that showed the sky where he slept.
But.... There was something resembling a stereotypical visual/computer glitch. Or a VHS glitch or TV static?
Shadow is an artificial life form, made my Eggman, a roboticist. Didn't Eggman make multiple clones? Would they not be robotic?
Could this be some kind of radio signal being sent out from a defunct/malfunctional part? But then why now? Wouldn't Eggman have noticed or have it repaired before this could happen? Did he set this up? Is Eggman even AT The Ark right now?
Or maybe some contingency plan of Gerald Robotnik somehow?
The animation & art were definitely nice, too, though.
Maria's eyes often look oddly narrowed, but maybe I was just misreading her expressions?
Still, with most of her characterization being presented to us on consoles old enough to legally buy alcohol nowadays, it was nice to see it in a new way.
Although I can't help but feel amused by the strange line at the end.
"That was no nightmare. It happened while I was looking at The Ark!"
Shadow, did you not fall asleep laying face-up, on an unpollutedly starry sky of a remote location on a clear night? You'd definitely have a clear view of whatever the sky is, & the moon is visible nearly anywhere on Earth, if The Ark looks that huge, of course you'd be able to see it wherever you fell asleep!
Ergo, it could just be coincidence that he saw that "nightmare"/vision, since he'd definitely be able to see The Ark as long as he had a viewing angle that showed the sky where he slept.
But.... There was something resembling a stereotypical visual/computer glitch. Or a VHS glitch or TV static?
Shadow is an artificial life form, made my Eggman, a roboticist. Didn't Eggman make multiple clones? Would they not be robotic?
Could this be some kind of radio signal being sent out from a defunct/malfunctional part? But then why now? Wouldn't Eggman have noticed or have it repaired before this could happen? Did he set this up? Is Eggman even AT The Ark right now?
Or maybe some contingency plan of Gerald Robotnik somehow?
The animation & art were definitely nice, too, though.
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It's just Black Doom messing with Shadow's mind like he does in his own game. We straight up see the man in the visions.
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@Brogeefrong Whatever happens to the 1-A Blog you posted, please don’t delete it or the links/images you have linked there. I still thinks it’s very well made and does have some merit to it.
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I agree.
I also still think Low 1-A has some validity via space-time superiority tbh
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Can you please help us argue that within the current Blog?
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Ah, my bad. I'm not familiar with StH's plot. Which, in retrospect is especially evident, & arguably erroneous here, lol.
Though if the source of the visions is Black Doom, who, AFAIK, is some kind of dark cosmic horror hivemind from space....
Why the static-y effects in the vision? Nightmare weirdness? Technology Manipulation?
Apologies for my ignorance.
Is The Ark not the moon? It looked huge in the view of the sky.
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No, it’s a space station. Which Eggman used to (laser) piss on the Moon. Very different.
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I've already assisted on the creation of the blog, there's not much I got left to assist with unfortunately
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This.
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Black Doom is not at all technological, nor are the Shadow Clones that were made by Eggman the roboticist (or was it Gerald?) made?
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All this cross-scaling discussion got me thinking,wouldn't Pre & Post SGW scale to each other in general? Chaos energy technically created/destroyed the cosmology to be possibly 1-B/1-A,plus anything else in reality,haxes,abilities,etc. Pre-SGW was the demiurge for Post-SGW.
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Black Doom is biological, the Shadow Androids are technological.
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Oh bother.
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I think it already does, currently.
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So, if you'll forgive my asking, please, if the Shadow Androids are technological, what makes it certain that the vision Shadow got, be it from Black Doom or otherwise, didn't mess with his possible Shadow Android inner-workings, hence why there was a glitch like in a damaged recording?
How are we certain that this Shadow isn't an Android?
Heck, wasn't part of StH's plot about Shadow wanting to find out if he was the real one or not?
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During the final boss in Shadow the Hedgehog, Eggman explicitly confirms to Shadow that he is the real Shadow. He was just in a coma for awhile after he fell from space back down to Earth.
The Shadow Android plot point in Heroes was practically dropped after that game.
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I understand this might be a bit redundant, are we certain Shadow the Hedgehog: Dark Beginnings is based on the Shadow the Hedgehog game, &/or that the protagonist is the real Shadow, though?
For what it's worth, an android Shadow might not sleep in a field, I guess.
In theory, maybe it had to reboot from falling from space or a power-down for maintenance or such. Not unheard of for fictional robots to have an equivalent to sleep.
But why would a genuine ultimate lifeform who isn't an android get technology-like video glitches in his visions from a biological space alien?
I just find it an odd detail, & the only explanation I've been told so far in this thread is "Nightmare weirdness".
Perhaps more episodes will make it clearer, but I wonder if there aren't other ways to tell apart Shadow & his Android counterparts again. If they're revisiting his backstory, might be neat to bring that up again.
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