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Elaborate on the Kangaroo Court specifics.

I’ll wait and see what he says in the future since I posted the Archie Continuity Cosmology blog to give him more context. I understand why he’s judging here being one of the main people for Tier 1-A and all of that, but I don’t think he knows a lot about any Sonic Cosmology like people here do. At the same time, I can’t blame him because he’s constantly having to look over other verses as well which can be a massive headache at times.
Not gonna name anyone, but certain mods have egos too big to admit that they were wrong, even when faced with blatant evidence of such, and when those mods are classified as "experts" of certain series, there simply is no going against thier initial conclusion at all.
 
Not gonna name anyone, but certain mods have egos too big to admit that they were wrong, even when faced with blatant evidence of such, and when those mods are classified as "experts" of certain series, there simply is no going against thier initial conclusion at all.
I see. Very well then.
 
To note for the 1-A thread, it's actually not exactly going for QS per say, but more for Low 1-A/BDE Type 2. It's just so happens The Chaos Force, being a Type 1 Concept, makes those Low 1-A statements into 1-A
 
Hey, so, does anyone own a copy of the encyclospeedia or know where to find a scan where it talks about Sonic Boom? There is literally a page that says Sonic Boom takes place in an alternate universe. I'd like to have a decent quality scan or photo of it for a project I'm working on. (Shared cosmology babyyyyyyyyy)
I own it. I can look soon.
 
There's also several pieces of evidence in Archie, which is in the same cosmology as Boom, and by extension, the mainline games as well. Those pieces of evidence mostly come from scans I haven't been able to find, as well as references to concepts I'm not really educated about.
I don't think Archie and Mainline could share a multiverse. A cosmology, but, not multiverse. But I'm sorry if I'm misunderstanding.
 
To note for the 1-A thread, it's actually not exactly going for QS per se, but more for Low 1-A/BDE Type 2. It's just so happens The Chaos Force, being a Type 1 Concept, makes those Low 1-A statements into 1-A
That is something I completely agree with here especially after reviewing the already accepted Cosmology of Archie Sonic. This maybe just a me thing, but I’ve found Ultima’s reasoning contradictory to what has already been accepted in the cosmology along with going against already established guidelines on proving Low 1-A to 1-A. I get it. Each case is nuisanced especially when different verses are involved. This however seems like a situation where he’s missing context of how the cosmology was structured to begin with and how narratively specific word choice within each statement have shaped the cosmology itself.
 
@Peptocoptr27 Iirc the statement is from the 25th Anniversary Artbook that you're looking for
There's that too, but I did end up finding what I was talking about in the encyclospeedia. It turns out it's not as blatant of a statement as I remembered. However, thr fact that it's reffered to as a branch to Sonic's story on top of being in the encyclospeedia in the first place (when the purpose of it is to explore Sonic's world and lore) certainly implies they share a cosmology.

I don't think Archie and Mainline could share a multiverse. A cosmology, but, not multiverse. But I'm sorry if I'm misunderstanding.
A cosmology is what I'm saying.
 
So what would a composite cosmology change, exactly? Would it affect how each canon’s cosmology is structured, or would it just be something as simple as “Cosmology-busting game characters now scale to Archie cosmology”?
 
So what would a composite cosmology change, exactly? Would it affect how each canon’s cosmology is structured, or would it just be something as simple as “Cosmology-busting game characters now scale to Archie cosmology”?
Chaos Energy hax cross scalling between both as well
 
What? Shouldnt Chaos Energy and the Chaos Force be separate? Isnt that something Ian Flynn adressed about the chaos force not being a thing anymore in post-genesis?
should still be the same capabilities as the Emeralds could still do the same Super Genesis Wave and all, with Sonic still being able to potentially recreate the Chaos Force alongside the rest of the old world had Eggman not interfered
 
I mean, if anything, all that would get passed is canonizing Boom specifically, because there's a strong case to be made all the Toei Dragon Ball films are canon to the Z-Anime (as they all take place in one timeline) and we only accept specific films (despite them all, again, sharing one Timeline). Comparatively, Archie is it's own separate continuity with various writers based on the American Sonic Bible, not the actual Sonic being written over in Japan (where the character originates from.)
 
I mean, if anything, all that would get passed is canonizing Boom specifically, because there's a strong case to be made all the Toei Dragon Ball films are canon to the Z-Anime (as they all take place in one timeline) and we only accept specific films (despite them all, again, sharing one Timeline). Comparatively, Archie is it's own separate continuity with various writers based on the American Sonic Bible, not the actual Sonic being written over in Japan (where the character originates from.)
The Archie version of Boom is the same as the game version, one is canon to the other

plus here it is different from DB as.....well, no one would be saying that the events happen in 1 timeline, but alternate universes, so any differences don't really matter
 
So what would a composite cosmology change, exactly? Would it affect how each canon’s cosmology is structured, or would it just be something as simple as “Cosmology-busting game characters now scale to Archie cosmology”?
From what I'm planning so far, the main universe, Boom, X, and Paramount would only be in the same cosmology as the Post-Genesis Wave Archie verse, but yes, the cosmology wipers would scale to the whole thing.
Potentially propel us higher into Tier 1, is my guess.
At the VERY least, Maginary World would become larger. Since there would now be an infinite amount of sentient beings accross an infinite amount of infinite sized universes adding dreams to it at every point in time. The thing you already said in your last major Archie cosmology revision basically. If we account for the string theory arguments, (which in my opinion, warrant at least a "possibly" ranking), the main universe would be High 1-C (11D), Maginary World would have to be a level above that since each dream world in it would have the same scope as the main universe, including Boom Eggman's dream of proving himself as the greatest scientist in the world by showing off his artificial black hole created using his studies on string theory. Then, you still have the hyper-timeline, making the cosmology as a whole 1-B (13D).
Chaos Energy hax cross scalling between both as well
I may be a insane for proposing what I just did, but this is pushing it imo. This results in too many inconsistancies and would only make sense if all of these continuities were connected to the pre-Genesis Wave multiverse, which they have no logical reason to be.

By the way, this revision won't be attempted before a while. I'm just giving you a peek
 
There's that too, but I did end up finding what I was talking about in the encyclospeedia. It turns out it's not as blatant of a statement as I remembered. However, thr fact that it's reffered to as a branch to Sonic's story on top of being in the encyclospeedia in the first place (when the purpose of it is to explore Sonic's world and lore) certainly implies they share a cosmology.
Also, this encyclopedia includes Sonic Chronicles, Sonic Runners, The Sonic Collections, Speed Battle Olympics, etc. Just because it's in this encyclopedia isn't proof that it's canon, it's simply a rundown of Sonic as a franchise, and going into depth about them (though ignoring the unmentionable who's ignored for copyright reasons, various minor games, and free riders, because they forgot that it existed)...
 
Just in case, I have the entire encyclospeedia (I think), downloaded (thanks piracy, I'm poor) but in Ecuador we are suffering from power and Internet problems, that's why I didn't send it before, if anyone else needs a scan of it, I can send it to you, but it will take time.
 
From what I'm planning so far, the main universe, Boom, X, and Paramount would only be in the same cosmology as the Post-Genesis Wave Archie verse, but yes, the cosmology wipers would scale to the whole thing.
What about Pre-Genesis Wave Verse?
At the VERY least, Maginary World would become larger. Since there would now be an infinite amount of sentient beings accross an infinite amount of infinite sized universes adding dreams to it at every point in time. The thing you already said in your last major Archie cosmology revision basically. If we account for the string theory arguments, (which in my opinion, warrant at least a "possibly" ranking), the main universe would be High 1-C (11D), Maginary World would have to be a level above that since each dream world in it would have the same scope as the main universe, including Boom Eggman's dream of proving himself as the greatest scientist in the world by showing off his artificial black hole created using his studies on string theory. Then, you still have the hyper-timeline, making the cosmology as a whole 1-B (13D).

I may be an insane for proposing what I just did, but this is pushing it imo. This results in too many inconsistancies and would only make sense if all of these continuities were connected to the pre-Genesis Wave multiverse, which they have no logical reason to be.

By the way, this revision won't be attempted before a while. I'm just giving you a peek
Try adding 1-A in the future to Archie as well other than what we have currently going on right now.
 
Just in case, I have the entire encyclospeedia (I think), downloaded (thanks piracy, I'm poor) but in Ecuador we are suffering from power and Internet problems, that's why I didn't send it before, if anyone else needs a scan of it, I can send it to you, but it will take time.
Mierda
 
Because Pre-Genesis Wave Continuity contains an Uncountably Infinite Universes within its cosmology. That would mean Sonic Boom would be present in its cosmology as well especially when Sticks crossed over later on in Worlds Unite. Adding onto this Archie Eggman and Wily crossed over in Worlds Collide and Worlds Unite, I don’t see how Sonic Boom wouldn’t be included here as well.
 
Because Pre-Genesis Wave Continuity contains an Uncountably Infinite Universes within its cosmology. That would mean Sonic Boom would be present in its cosmology as well especially when Sticks crossed over later on in Worlds Unite. Adding onto this Archie Eggman and Wily crossed over in Worlds Collide and Worlds Unite, I don’t see how Sonic Boom wouldn’t be included here as well.
Your assumptions are baseless. Even if there was a universe in the pre-Genesis wave continuity that looked identical to the Sonic Boom verse, it still wouldn't be the one we're actually seeing in the games, TV show, and Post-Genesis Wave continuity.
 
Your assumptions are baseless. Even if there was a universe in the pre-Genesis wave continuity that looked identical to the Sonic Boom verse, it still wouldn't be the one we're actually seeing in the games, TV show, and Post-Genesis Wave continuity.
I’d like to see statements specifically regarding that not only is it connected to Post-Genesis Wave, but also statements where they are not connected to Pre-Genesis Wave.
 
I’d like to see statements specifically regarding that not only is it connected to Post-Genesis Wave, but also statements where they are not connected to Pre-Genesis Wave.
All we have is the former. The latter is common sense. Why would I look for something to prove a negative? The burden of proof is on you. Not me. Pre-GW Archie and Post-GW Archie aren't even cosmologically connected to each other, since the latter is a complete re-write of the latter, so how would Boom somehow be connected to BOTH when it only has evidence for one?
 
All we have is the former. The latter is common sense. Why would I look for something to prove a negative? The burden of proof is on you. Not me. Pre-GW Archie and Post-GW Archie aren't even cosmologically connected to each other, since the latter is a complete re-write of the latter, so how would Boom somehow be connected to BOTH when it only has evidence for one?
I believe you mean the latter is a re-write of the former. That I will not deny. The thing is, the characters from Post-Genesis Wave still remember their lives/events from Pre-Genesis Wave continuity so I wouldn’t see why they wouldn’t be one in the same but with Post-Genesis being a Pre-Genesis but re-written.
 
.At the VERY least, Maginary World would become larger. Since there would now be an infinite amount of sentient beings accross an infinite amount of infinite sized universes adding dreams to it at every point in time. The thing you already said in your last major Archie cosmology revision basically.
Ah. Well, remember that onoy worked because there's a statement of endless life in each universe. An uncountably infinite difference may not be achievable without it.
If we account for the string theory arguments, (which in my opinion, warrant at least a "possibly" ranking), the main universe would be High 1-C (11D),
Unironically, I think this is actually very possible. Thr main reason nothing was done with this before was mainly because A) It didn't matter to the Games B) It wasn't counted for Archie/not taken seriously. But considering Dr. Eggmsn is literally a scientific genius, his use of String Theory actually holds more weight than a lot of other statements like the for other verses. Your biggest challenge is just making Boom canon.
By the way, this revision won't be attempted before a while. I'm just giving you a peek
Interesting... Excited to see your attempt.
 
I believe you mean the latter is a re-write of the former. That I will not deny. The thing is, the characters from Post-Genesis Wave still remember their lives/events from Pre-Genesis Wave continuity so I wouldn’t see why they wouldn’t be one in the same but with Post-Genesis being a Pre-Genesis but re-written.
That's still a more or less baseless assumption considering the sheer scope of the changes caused by the SGW. If we were to go with your interpretation, every character from mainline Sonic, Boom, X, and Paramount would need a pre-Genesis Wave key and a post-Genesis Wave key (at least, assuming we also get Chaos energy cross-scaling in some cases).
Your biggest challenge is just making Boom canon.
Well, it is already canon to Archie, so if 1-A and Low 1-A fail, we can always use that to go for 1-B, right? Oddly enough, that would make post-GW stronger than pre-GW
 
Just a reminder that Solaris destroying "everything" "everywhen" would include the reality of the Pre-Genesis wave as well regardless
 
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