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Sonic General Discussion Zone Act 1: New Frontiers

Theuser789 said:
The problem is that doing that is really, really hard.
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This. We may give off the impression that this is easy work, but it gets a little overbearing at times when you're sorting through a nearly-decade-old page that's such a reminder of the old standards that my eyes begin to bleed.

Also these complaints are the same ones that caused me to stary my revision crusade.
Ghengiroo115 said:
Tbh I feel like some of the profiles (cough Modern Sonic cough) have way too many images at the top.
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I believe that's the doing of @omegabronic. I think it gets a little tedious for Sonic at times, but I actually don't mind the 2D-3D thing. There was a point where Sonic's renders were changed like every other week, partially because of the dispute regarding that very subject. So I've grown to not mind it.

Listing all the variants of Prime Sonic though, for example, I do NOT agree with. That IS gallery worthy.
 
ShakeResounding said:
I believe that's the doing of @omegabronic. I think it gets a little tedious for Sonic at times, but I actually don't mind the 2D-3D thing. There was a point where Sonic's renders were changed like every other week, partially because of the dispute regarding that very subject. So I've grown to not mind it.
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Yeah that’s fair, it does solve that issue.

ShakeResounding said:
Listing all the variants of Prime Sonic though, for example, I do NOT agree with. That IS gallery worthy.
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I was gonna mention that as well, but I had a brain fart and somehow couldn’t think of a way to word it properly. “Variants of Prime Sonic” was right there lol
 
Peptocoptr27 said:
Jfc, that's cringe. What a cop-out. The one modern game where most of Sonic's friends feel like distinct charming characters.
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Until I hear that from Iizuka, I don't buy it. There is literally nothing contradictory and takes place post-Frontiers anyways so I don't see what there is to ocntradict anyhow.

Also, not to vindicate myself, but I totally called that we were still Pre-Frontiers even with the 900th Adventure comic. On the flipside, this makes me VERY excited to see Sage in comic format and finally put Frontiers properly behind us in the timeline in all regards (both game AND comic).

Not to start the hopium, but maybe by Issue 100 we'll begin to shift in that direction. That or bring back the Scrapniks damn it
 
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MysticMania said:
I think I remember that Ian Flynn has mentioned wanting to crossover Sonic and NiGHTS using Maginaryworld as a connecting lore point, between them. I like that idea.
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Ye, in a 2022 bumblecast
ShakeResounding said:
There is literally nothing contradictory and takes place post-Frontiers anyways so I don't see what there is to ocntradict anyhow.
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Even Ian said that in a bumblecasts or 2, I'm pretty sure we got 1 of the statements in the Eras Blog.
 
ShakeResounding said:
Until I hear that from Iizuka, I don't buy it. There is literally nothing contradictory and takes place post-Frontiers anyways so I don't see what there is to ocntradict anyhow.
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To be fair, it's not the only reason to believe that TMoStH is not canon, it's still not a solid case, but it's there.

Draft/Info of a CTR that I had planned but that I didn't do because the Runners one is still pending and I realized that Barry appeared in a comic and I don't have free time and it wasn't really worth it and...
Some time ago these CTRs passed:

https://vsbattles.com/threads/sonic-additions-large-starky-galaxy-style.153225/

https://vsbattles.com/threads/espio-intelligence-upgrade.154820/

What's wrong with it? Nothing really, but I want to discuss the canonicity of the game “The Murder of Sonic the Hedgehog”

1 What are the arguments for the game being canon?
  • It is a Sonic game produced by Sega
  • It references previous games
  • Common sense
2 Why do I doubt its canon?
*This is not a Sonic Team title, but we strongly believe in the power of headcanon!
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A headcanon is anything that is yet to be confirmed or deconfirmed, It could be canon in the future, but without official confirmation, considering it canon is literally just a headcanon.

Counterarguments

-They mention locations from previous games, so it's canon?

…It does not work like this
If in my Total Drama fanfic (it exists, if for some strange reason you want to read it, ask about it, but it is in Spanish) I recognize past events, is my fanfic canon? No
It's the other way around, another game should take into account the existence of TMoStH, the only thing it indicates now is that it is an official Sonic product.
Don't even dare mention that it's a fanfic, that's not the point of my argument.

-Everything is canon
Let's remember that it was said based on a crossover image of PuyoPuyoTetris 2
The phrase is not “everything that is made of sonic is canon”, it was a joke, and if you want to look for a meaning, it would be “Don't worry, what you think is canon is canon”
...
..
.
It's not really certain that it is not canon, but there are reasons to doubt that it is, and it is safer to leave it in a corner waiting for its canonicity to be proven, than to say that it automatically is.
(Now, if there are references or something that confirms the canonicity of the game in the comics, please let me know, I'm very lost on that side [I don't think a cameo is enough, remember that Stick is currently canon, but we do not take Sonic Boom within it for obvious reasons, and let's not forget that both Sally Acorn and Bunnie D'Coolette appear in "Sonic Forces: Looming Shadow" as a cameo, but they are obviously not canonical characters, and Amy's car from All Star Transformers appears in an IDW comic but the game is not considered canon)

Also remember that the canon changes constantly:
  • Sonic Sonic Labyrinth and Sonic Spinball were initially non-canon, but they changed it
  • Sonic the Hedgehog 4 was changed from the classic era to the modern era and there are a lot of implications that this was what happened after Sonic CD (putting CD at the end of all 4 games), but actually CD was put before Sonic 2, causing it to be separated by Sonic 2, 3, and Mania (and technically all the other classic games that were canonized, but here it's put before a lot of classic stuff
...

Also, I'm pretty sure the game said that Sonic saved the train conductor a number of years ago when Sonic shouldn't have been alive yet, but I don't remember.
 
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Ghengiroo115 said:
Is it the sheer amount of stuff or something else? If the former than yeah I agree, it’s pretty bloated right now.
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It’s that and the fact that some of the links don’t work, also it’s kinda confusing which form is which sometimes since I originally thought the 1-C stuff was for super Neo metal sonic cause the link was dead, until I remembered eggman quote in heroes which was used for metal overlord

Honestly metal and Neo metal should have seperate pages ngl similar to how sonic is split between adventure and modern
 
Lord_Farquaad69420 said:
It’s that and the fact that some of the links don’t work, also it’s kinda confusing which form is which sometimes since I originally thought the 1-C stuff was for super Neo metal sonic cause the link was dead, until I remembered eggman quote in heroes which was used for metal overlord

Honestly metal and Neo metal should have seperate pages ngl similar to how sonic is split between adventure and modern
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Not Metal and Neo Metal. Just separate him into Classic/Adventure/Modern like we do with Sonic.
 
Lord_Farquaad69420 said:
It’s that and the fact that some of the links don’t work, also it’s kinda confusing which form is which sometimes since I originally thought the 1-C stuff was for super Neo metal sonic cause the link was dead, until I remembered eggman quote in heroes which was used for metal overlord

Honestly metal and Neo metal should have seperate pages ngl similar to how sonic is split between adventure and modern
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If you see any broken links, try reporting them so we can change it to imgur or smth.
 
Theuser789 said:
If you see any broken links, try reporting them so we can change it to imgur or smth.
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This.

Also, I'm getting a little worried because some of my links lead me to a black screen for gifs; until I post the link somewhere and it seems to show up fine. Does anyone have similar issues or know the cause? It seems to only be for me viewing it, which is weird.

If Imgur's links just like implode or shit the bed and all the links need to be replaced... I don't think I'll have the will to do all that again. I heard as long as you don't delete your account (and I never plan to) then it should be fine, but I dunno...
 
Peptocoptr27 said:
it makes WAY more sense for tMoStH to be canon than Sonic Prime
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There were literally people in charge of verifying that the series was cohesive with canon, they (or he, I don't know how many there were) pointed out a long list of problems, and it was simply ignored.
If they want to make everything canon, that's not the way, it should have stayed as something separate.

Theuser789 said:
Infinite says Sonic and Eggman have been fighting for decades in english Forces, and ages were removed from canon so idk.
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What does it say in Japanese? (I know we use both as canon here, but just to know)
I also hate the fact that they removed the ages
 
MysticMania said:
It's not at all impossible for Sonic to be in the 20s right now, age wise. But, that would still not be old enough for Infinite's "decades" to be correct, unless if Sonic is in his mid to late 20s and started fighting Eggman in single digits.
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Mfw it's revealed Sonic first started fighting Dr. Eggman as a 1-year-old infant
 


I think this is something official. The US Sonic Twitter linked to it.
In this, SEGA Superstars Tennis, one of the All-Stars Racing games, and Murder of Sonic can be seen. This could be evidence for their canonicity.
( Also, the timing of this with Evan's linked post on here, earlier today, is unfortunate. I really, really hope that nobody gives her sh*t about this, in any way. The writers don't have the control that Sonic Team nor especially SEGA have. )
 
MysticMania said:


I think this is something official. The US Sonic Twitter linked to it.
In this, SEGA Superstars Tennis, one of the All-Stars Racing games, and Murder of Sonic can be seen. This could be evidence for their canonicity.
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It looks like that it is an official promotion. Not only does the video end by saying Shadow's adventure continues in Sonic x Shadow Generations, but the SEGA logo appears like it usually does at the end of SEGA promoted videos.

Still, it's pretty cool that Terminal got the chance to do an official promotion video for SEGA
 
MysticMania said:


I think this is something official. The US Sonic Twitter linked to it.
In this, SEGA Superstars Tennis, one of the All-Stars Racing games, and Murder of Sonic can be seen. This could be evidence for their canonicity.
( Also, the timing of this with Evan's linked post on here, earlier today, is unfortunate. I really, really hope that nobody gives her sh*t about this, in any way. The writers don't have the control that Sonic Team nor especially SEGA have. )
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Yeah, here.



TerminalMontage is Sonic Canon now…
 
Time to spice things up a bit for Shadow Generations.
Shadow Question Time: What new Chaos Power(s)/Transformation(s) would you create for Shadow the Hedgehog if given the opportunity? (This can be an innate ability, something that requires a Chaos Emerald/a specific amount of them, a technique that's only achievable when he takes his Inhibiters off, etc.)
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I envision that Shadow can achieve a pseudo-Super State when drawing from the energy of 6 Chaos Emeralds, while also requiring him to remove his Limiters; Endless Shadow.
  • As the name implies, Shadow becomes an living, endless reservoir of Chaos Energy; the Chaos Emeralds channeling his innate reserves through them and magnifying both the extent and power. Not only does this grant Shadow exponentially enhanced physical attributes, it breaks the conditional requirements (Emerald Power at any location, activating Dual Chaos Control by himself, etc.)
  • The Chaos Emeralds act like 6 conduits, allowing Shadow to retain perfect control of his overwhelming power.
  • The cost of this psuedo-transformation is not stamina; it drains Shadow's Black Arms Life Force. Losing it wouldn't kill him, per se, but render his artificial biology "inert". In this case, Smthe removal of all his Black Arms lifeforce would make him "shut down" ala Future Omega.
Aaaand yeah, that's my idea!
 
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