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Sonic General Discussion Zone Act 1: New Frontiers

JJSliderman said:
I wish there was some legit higher dimensional cosmology for game Sonic already.
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I’m gonna be honest. Higher dimensional cosmology stuff already exists for Sonic, now whether you want to use them or not are two different things.

There are different arguments for it but we could use maginaryworld viewing 4 dimensional (and possibly up) spaces as flat objects

we can use spatial thinking (which is the mind analyzing concepts of space and dimensions) being a thing in Sonic as another argument

We could also use confirmed parallel universes that exist in the video game Sonic multiverse like Sonic Boom’s string theory and super string theory as a base for the argument.

There’s also the Sonic in the fourth dimension book which is stated to take place in the universe of Sonic 1 and 2 which has transfinite mathematics and concepts of parallel universes.

And the last argument I suggest is questionable (but it is a method)

Use Ian Flynn’s and Eitaro Toyoda’s statements on the matter.
^ I get that no one really prefers to do that and it does open problems but it does exist and can be an argument.

If I recall correctly there’s this statement Ian had where he said Sonic’s “dimension” is a very big bucket that everything else fits into, and it includes concepts of size, concepts of reality, concepts of time, length, width, height, physical dimensions and dimensional dimensions. He didn’t specify how many dimensions were contained within Sonic’s bucket but he did say it contained the concepts of them so I don’t know how much that’s worth but he did say it himself and it should count for something (if we use it).
 
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This is random, but, are the Chaos Emeralds listed as having existence erasure, on here? In Sonic [8-Bit], the 6 Emeralds just sort of blink the smog of Scrap Brain Zone away, and I was curious on others' thoughts on this.
 
This could tie into what's been said of the Emeralds before, in regards to them essentially reacting to the bearer's thoughts, perhaps. (the most important part of buffing the emeralds is buffing starline) ((one of the only characters in canon to collect all 7 and he did nothing with them))
 
MysticMania said:
Out of curiosity, has anyone ever calced Sonic destroying blocks and stone in Marble and Green Hill, respectively?
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Would just give us wall level results. Small Building level if generous. And you can't derive lifting strength from it due to Sonic only being able to do so through moves that would make it AP exclusively. However, Knuckles being able to walk through giant walls easily could be used as a Lifting Strength feat. And they look more promising anyway.
 
Also, if I may ask, how large is Earth in Sonic in comparison to the other planets in our solar system? I know it's been measured as larger than our Earth, if I'm correct, but yeah.
 
I think the justifications for the "Genius" rating in Sonic's profile could use a few more feats

Hacked and shut down the Death Egg's weapons system
https://youtu.be/7yae_Lo4stQ
^People used the excuse that Tails helped Sonic or something even though nothing implied that at all.

Managed to read binary code, which Tails thought only he could do.
https://youtu.be/0RD-sdbfQYI?t=66
https://youtu.be/XzmZQokUj5w?t=490

Hacked into Eggman Nega's base/technology


Easily cracks the code to Final Egg, Eggman's hidden base.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=XwtNXo1aQgs&list=FLXXOvt6Uqdvq289R2W0eizw&t=6583s

Eggman himself was even surprised Sonic made it that far!
https://youtube.com/watch?v=XwtNXo1aQgs&list=FLXXOvt6Uqdvq289R2W0eizw&t=7133s

Ik this is more revision material but I don't have experience or time to make revision threads.
Would be cool if more detail was added.
 
You know what would be a cool if not terrifying little shout out?

If The End managed to possess a Cyber Energy corrupted Sonic, and he looked just like Sonic.exe.
 
Eseseso said:
You know what would be a cool if not terrifying little shout out?

If The End managed to possess a Cyber Energy corrupted Sonic, and he looked just like Sonic.exe.
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7i0ana.jpg
 
MysticMania said:
I would interpret a different dimensional plane as something other than another universe, personally.
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"You would be correct, saying another dimension to another dimensional plane is completely different, besides cyberspace is not a universe in itself, it is a digital dimension."
 
Alright so! So far there hasn't been a recent content revision for Sonic and nobody has given me the go to, to review the Arabian nights stuff for Sonic and then make the Arabian nights content revision thread and I think we need some spice.

So I want to review an argument I found on discord with you guys so @Eseseso @ShakeResounding @JJSliderman @LaserPrecision @HenshinIntervention or anyone

It reads

"IDW has good cosmology unsurprisingly (it works with IDW). So you know Eggman’s tower space from IDW? Ok, now it’s implied to be smaller than the Universe of Sonic’s Dimension.

Now get this!

The space has the capacity for Hypercubes (like the Tesseract Sonic views here: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Foky-lMWIAEzJZo?format=jpg&name=large and we know it’s a Hypercube because this is what a Tesseract (a Hypercube) looks like: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/22/Hypercube.svg/380px-Hypercube.svg.png more on that here: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypercube)

Now Hypercubes have 4 or more dimensions… and according to research Hypercubes require 4 or more spatial dimensions to exist and can’t exist in a lower dimensional Space.

Now that coupled with the fact that Time passes there means that there’s 4 Dimensions of Space (4 spatial dimensions) and at least 1 dimension of Time (1 temporal dimension)

Meaning Sonic’s Universe should at least be 5D lowballed.

Now about the research: Can a hypercube exist in more than eight dimensions?
Yes, hypercubes can exist in any number of dimensions, with each additional dimension contributing to the growth of vertices, edges, faces, cells, and hypersurfaces.

Are there hypercubes in nature? Hypercubes are not directly observed in nature since our physical world is predominantly three-dimensional. However, they serve as valuable conceptual tools to explore abstract spaces. - https://clubztutoring.com/ed-resources/math/hypercube-definitions-examples-6-7-4/

Basically: Hypercubes can exist in any number of dimensions as long as it accounts for the vertices, edges, faces, cells and hyper surfaces.

In addition, it’s implied that in order for a Hypercube to exist in a Universe/World that Universe/World must have the same Spatial Properties

The Space would have to account for the number of dimensions a Hypercube has in order for it to exist there."

Done.

For the record If you didn't know hypercubes are n-dimensional analogues of a square you can read this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypercube

I haven't read IDW but if it's true that this "tower space" is smaller than Sonic's universe then wouldn't it at least scale to where the tower space does if not above? Plus I was thinking about the cyberspace from Sonic Frontiers, wasn't it stated to be beyond quantification and more advanced than Eggman's own spaces by Eggman? It is. The statement is in this link and both statements follow immediately after one another and it's also in the Japanese dub as well

If Eggman built the tower space before Sonic Frontiers I think we might be onto something.

What do you guys think of this? I don't think it's half bad.
 
ThatBusyDude said:
Alright so! So far there hasn't been a recent content revision for Sonic and nobody has given me the go to, to review the Arabian nights stuff for Sonic and then make the Arabian nights content revision thread and I think we need some spice.

So I want to review an argument I found on discord with you guys so @Eseseso @ShakeResounding @JJSliderman @LaserPrecision @HenshinIntervention or anyone

It reads

"IDW has good cosmology unsurprisingly (it works with IDW). So you know Eggman’s tower space from IDW? Ok, now it’s implied to be smaller than the Universe of Sonic’s Dimension.

Now get this!

The space has the capacity for Hypercubes (like the Tesseract Sonic views here: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Foky-lMWIAEzJZo?format=jpg&name=large and we know it’s a Hypercube because this is what a Tesseract (a Hypercube) looks like: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/22/Hypercube.svg/380px-Hypercube.svg.png more on that here: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypercube)

Now Hypercubes have 4 or more dimensions… and according to research Hypercubes require 4 or more spatial dimensions to exist and can’t exist in a lower dimensional Space.

Now that coupled with the fact that Time passes there means that there’s 4 Dimensions of Space (4 spatial dimensions) and at least 1 dimension of Time (1 temporal dimension)

Meaning Sonic’s Universe should at least be 5D lowballed.

Now about the research: Can a hypercube exist in more than eight dimensions?
Yes, hypercubes can exist in any number of dimensions, with each additional dimension contributing to the growth of vertices, edges, faces, cells, and hypersurfaces.

Are there hypercubes in nature? Hypercubes are not directly observed in nature since our physical world is predominantly three-dimensional. However, they serve as valuable conceptual tools to explore abstract spaces. - https://clubztutoring.com/ed-resources/math/hypercube-definitions-examples-6-7-4/

Basically: Hypercubes can exist in any number of dimensions as long as it accounts for the vertices, edges, faces, cells and hyper surfaces.

In addition, it’s implied that in order for a Hypercube to exist in a Universe/World that Universe/World must have the same Spatial Properties

The Space would have to account for the number of dimensions a Hypercube has in order for it to exist there."

Done.

For the record If you didn't know hypercubes are n-dimensional analogues of a square you can read this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypercube

I haven't read IDW but if it's true that this "tower space" is smaller than Sonic's universe then wouldn't it at least scale to where the tower space does if not above? Plus I was thinking about the cyberspace from Sonic Frontiers, wasn't it stated to be beyond quantification and more advanced than Eggman's own spaces by Eggman? It is. The statement is in this link and both statements follow immediately after one another and it's also in the Japanese dub as well

If Eggman built the tower space before Sonic Frontiers I think we might be onto something.

What do you guys think of this? I don't think it's half bad.
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Agreed.
 
ThatBusyDude said:
Alright so! So far there hasn't been a recent content revision for Sonic and nobody has given me the go to, to review the Arabian nights stuff for Sonic and then make the Arabian nights content revision thread and I think we need some spice.
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What do Arabian Nights revisions entail?
 
Remus1998 said:
What do Arabian Nights revisions entail?
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Me, @LaserPrecision and @HenshinIntervention talked about it before but it basically entailed this:

Arabian nights is infinite in size because of the night palace, the Arabian nights is filled with dreams, magic and adventure

I have statements that imply each story is a world (or contains a world) in the book from a JP guide as well as something from Shiro Maekawa.

Then I’m going to argue that Erazor Djinn destroying the Arabian nights is a power feat and not just text manipulation.

With that we should get higher into the 2-C tier to possibly even above Sonic.

It was discussed some time ago.
 
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